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Post by Pen Knight on Sept 19, 2023 15:00:18 GMT -5
Well I was going to give Legend a real try this week because I didn't really have much of a chance last week, but of course as my rotten luck would have it, probably won't get the proper chance until the new season... I suppose. Doesn't seem like a lock yet but wording choices that have been made has certainly made it seem like it... I'll give the first week of the new season a shot before going forward with any decision of continuing should it move to Legend, but I'm personally not thinking participation on the long term or every week basis like I normally would on this tour at this time. Not for the reasons of the difficulty change (even though I personally don't like the idea of jumping around in difficulty, I much prefer keeping things to just one) but lots of personal stuff lately. Haven't had nearly as much time and energy lately and putting myself through the ringer of Legend every week with limited supply of those two doesn't sound too appealing right now. But hey, who knows currently. Even I don't. For what it's worth, it was perfectly fine to me before as a true mid-tier person hanging around top 25 zone most weeks last season and not shooting anything super great. I see points for and against the change but no matter where things go, I hope things will take off for this side of the tours. It might not involve me but I won't say no yet until I get to actually give it a shot first. If you don't play on Legend and No Markers... are you really playing the game?? Really? Come on. We all know the answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 15:51:44 GMT -5
Well I was going to give Legend a real try this week because I didn't really have much of a chance last week, but of course as my rotten luck would have it, probably won't get the proper chance until the new season... I suppose. Doesn't seem like a lock yet but wording choices that have been made has certainly made it seem like it... I'll give the first week of the new season a shot before going forward with any decision of continuing should it move to Legend, but I'm personally not thinking participation on the long term or every week basis like I normally would on this tour at this time. Not for the reasons of the difficulty change (even though I personally don't like the idea of jumping around in difficulty, I much prefer keeping things to just one) but lots of personal stuff lately. Haven't had nearly as much time and energy lately and putting myself through the ringer of Legend every week with limited supply of those two doesn't sound too appealing right now. But hey, who knows currently. Even I don't. For what it's worth, it was perfectly fine to me before as a true mid-tier person hanging around top 25 zone most weeks last season and not shooting anything super great. I see points for and against the change but no matter where things go, I hope things will take off for this side of the tours. It might not involve me but I won't say no yet until I get to actually give it a shot first. If you don't play on Legend and No Markers... are you really playing the game?? Really? Come on. We all know the answer. Sarcasm? But looking at the arcade scores this week is master difficulty golf on rails to the majority that play here. Give me the challenge of legend and a bit of dispersion to the game. A SIM tour should be more than a putting challenge 😟 For the record my swingplane is a struggle so legend is a struggle but a welcome one and I have absolutely no interest in master difficulty anymore. Regarding no marker, I actually play much better with no marker than marker only. |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 19, 2023 17:11:47 GMT -5
Played the first two rounds this week, -5, -2. Much more fun was had than last week. Still trying to figure out how -42 or -50 winning a weekly is "arcade scores" when -35 isn't...but I'm a simple man.  |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Sept 19, 2023 23:54:13 GMT -5
Since the flights seem to be a thing of the past, will there be a proper cut line going forward? That always gave me somethiing to aim for/ measure against..
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Sept 20, 2023 0:01:54 GMT -5
Why not just turn the marker to open? Or restrict it to open/ market only so one couldn't put it on with distance. Is that possible?
I'm fine off or on. Plenty of other things to utilize to actually aim a shot.
Only thing that may be hard to do is distance control to slow down the stroke for partials.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 0:55:03 GMT -5
Why not just turn the marker to open? Or restrict it to open/ market only so one couldn't put it on with distance. Is that possible? I'm fine off or on. Plenty of other things to utilize to actually aim a shot. Only thing that may be hard to do is distance control to slow down the stroke for partials. With marker open it brings in green sweeping again by moving the marker around the green for elevation info.Something TST put a stop to years ago by switching to marker only setting. You can still move the marker and slow down backswing for partial shots when off the green with no marker you just can't see the marker. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 1:00:48 GMT -5
Played the first two rounds this week, -5, -2. Much more fun was had than last week. Still trying to figure out how -42 or -50 winning a weekly is "arcade scores" when -35 isn't...but I'm a simple man. Well erm last week's winning total was -35, this week's leader Mark is on -32 after 2 rounds. Also in context on The Legend tour the winning score last week was -6 after 2 rounds, this week's TST 2 round leader is on -32 finished -2 for his 2 rounds at Bedminster. I am an average player but still managed to break par in round 2 and finish the 2 rounds at +3. So even that course would not be too difficult for many here. This on a set up on Bedminster with moderate green speeds and mild conditions. You will start to get higher scores the tighter the course as driving is more difficult on Legend. Last time I counted a couple of days ago 8 people have hit 59 so far this week. That says alot about the difficulty between the 2 settings, it is a putting competition for the top 10 which is totally missing the point of it being a sim tour. Btw Mark is a real gentleman and a top top player at this game. He can shoot some amazing scores on this game on legend. You really need to be a good no grid putter to hit theses scores and as witnessed in our live match he is a superb putter. Edit: 11 people have broken 60 in the first 2 rounds this week. Also Mark was only 3 strokes away from breaking 50 in round 1 which is absolutely insane |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 20, 2023 6:20:17 GMT -5
I think this week is somewhat course specific. I'm pretty terrible at True Sim and am at -7 after two - which would be one of my best showings in any event in the last year.
Regardless, I don't really see how shooting in the -30s and -40s (and I bet some weeks you'll see -50s) on Legend suddenly makes things realistic. It's still going to be arcade scoring. Which is cool with me.
I suspect those of us who will struggle to even get close to par on Legend will simply choose not to play. Maybe that is more than offset with players who want the additional challenge - if so, that's the route I think we should go. Whatever gets the most participation long-term should be the goal, IMO.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 20, 2023 6:40:15 GMT -5
I think this week is somewhat course specific. I'm pretty terrible at True Sim and am at -7 after two - which would be one of my best showings in any event in the last year. Regardless, I don't really see how shooting in the -30s and -40s (and I bet some weeks you'll see -50s) on Legend suddenly makes things realistic. It's still going to be arcade scoring. Which is cool with me. I suspect those of us who will struggle to even get close to par on Legend will simply choose not to play. Maybe that is more than offset with players who want the additional challenge - if so, that's the route I think we should go. Whatever gets the most participation long-term should be the goal, IMO. Honestly I don't think you'll struggle to get close to par if you give it a few weeks to adjust. I know this is maybe contradictory given how much I prefer legend, no marker, but I don't think it's drastically more difficult to such a degree that suddenly it's like playing a different game. It's just that swingplane is a little tougher, putting is harder to be precise on swingplane (and distance without marker) and your loose drives will find the rough a touch more often. It's not drastically different but it adds a little more uncertainty. We've a lot of guys in the true sim societies that certainly wouldn't class themselves as top players in this game but still break par regularly over multiple rounds and on occasion challenge for wins. I think the difference between good and bad rounds being greater only makes people enjoy the good ones more and chase that carrot. And even if -30/40/50 aren't realistic (they aren't) and will be got even on legend (they will) even dropping ten /fifteen shots on average a week imo makes it a lot more fun to play. The main reason I've bounced off the main tours and true sim this year is the total lack of ebb and flow over a tournament. It's just birdie after birdie. Whereas in the legend four rounder I set up a few times Mark and I (both good players, him much better) had ten shots swings over a round. I just find that way more fun, personally. Obviously everyone will have different opinions though, and at the end of the day we enjoy what we enjoy. I just hope people have some patience with the adjustment period and it does well if they choose to give it a go. Edit: honestly, having played legend for about six months now. It's comparable to Master on 21. Maybe with slightly easier tempo and slightly more punishing swingplane. It's not a huge step up from what we've played before. If any at all really. I'd imagine scoring will sit around when we were on Master on 21 if not slightly lower. |
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 20, 2023 9:52:27 GMT -5
Since the flights seem to be a thing of the past, will there be a proper cut line going forward? That always gave me somethiing to aim for/ measure against.. Given that we have no idea yet what participation numbers we will get, especially after a few weeks and months, we will go for no cut, at least for the first few months. We also want everybody to have the chance to play four rounds, and with Legend likely resulting in more variation in scores per round this will also allow people to climb up the leaderboards with a few nice ones in R3/4, while having a disaster in the early rounds is not immediately end of the week for you. There will still be the midweek deadline for R1/2, so that the tournament progresses a bit more naturally, instead of people jumping in last minute with four rounds on the go. And yes, we have pretty much made up our minds now - expect Legend for TST for S10, unless something dramatic happens over the next week or so. Hope Legend will grow on people - if you give it a chance, I think some will actually start to like it, even though they now say/feel it's not for them. More soon... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 11:52:45 GMT -5
I think this week is somewhat course specific. I'm pretty terrible at True Sim and am at -7 after two - which would be one of my best showings in any event in the last year. Regardless, I don't really see how shooting in the -30s and -40s (and I bet some weeks you'll see -50s) on Legend suddenly makes things realistic. It's still going to be arcade scoring. Which is cool with me. I suspect those of us who will struggle to even get close to par on Legend will simply choose not to play. Maybe that is more than offset with players who want the additional challenge - if so, that's the route I think we should go. Whatever gets the most participation long-term should be the goal, IMO. The thing is you are just speculating from last week's result which let's be honest was very friendly to legend with it's big wide fairways. Just take a look at The Legend Tour and Craig's Simulation Tour and you'll see courses aren't ripped to pieces by the top sim players on legend difficulty. Also I used to worry about participation for way too long on USE . I thought if I bumped up the difficulty everyone would run a mile. Then came TAN society and the SIM community was loving legend difficulty. Worrying so much led me to actually getting bored of the game, legend difficulty totally sparked my interest again. TAN is a great society and great way for anyone interested in the new season of TST as it eases you into the difficulty and is handicapped so rewards all players who play well to their own skill level. I will also say if you really enjoy TST just give season 10 a chance. There seems to be this bad mentality on TGCTOURS that any change is a bad thing. TST is a SIM tour first and Frans and co changing it to Legend will really improve it in that regard. It's nice to view it as it's own thing rather than the other tour with a couple of aids turned off. Very impressed with the admin here that have looked past the posts of people saying they won't play to do what's right for the tour. TST has gained a new full time member and I will support the tour and play each week. Exiting times 😁 |
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Post by Brenelan on Sept 20, 2023 13:19:13 GMT -5
I think this week is somewhat course specific. I'm pretty terrible at True Sim and am at -7 after two - which would be one of my best showings in any event in the last year. Regardless, I don't really see how shooting in the -30s and -40s (and I bet some weeks you'll see -50s) on Legend suddenly makes things realistic. It's still going to be arcade scoring. Which is cool with me. I suspect those of us who will struggle to even get close to par on Legend will simply choose not to play. Maybe that is more than offset with players who want the additional challenge - if so, that's the route I think we should go. Whatever gets the most participation long-term should be the goal, IMO. The thing is you are just speculating from last week's result which let's be honest was very friendly to legend with it's big wide fairways. Just take a look at The Legend Tour and Craig's Simulation Tour and you'll see courses aren't ripped to pieces by the top sim players on legend difficulty. Also I used to worry about participation for way too long on USE . I thought if I bumped up the difficulty everyone would run a mile. Then came TAN society and the SIM community was loving legend difficulty. Worrying so much led me to actually getting bored of the game, legend difficulty totally sparked my interest again. TAN is a great society and great way for anyone interested in the new season of TST as it eases you into the difficulty and is handicapped so rewards all players who play well to their own skill level. I will also say if you really enjoy TST just give season 10 a chance. There seems to be this bad mentality on TGCTOURS that any change is a bad thing. TST is a SIM tour first and Frans and co changing it to Legend will really improve it in that regard. It's nice to view it as it's own thing rather than the other tour with a couple of aids turned off. Very impressed with the admin here that have looked past the posts of people saying they won't play to do what's right for the tour. TST has gained a new full time member and I will support the tour and play each week. Exiting times 😁 No joke, I'm happy for you guys. But I'd just say that not everything needs to be for everyone - you are selling the lower (higher?) scores as something people will like. But there are people who don't want to struggle to shoot +10/+20 each week. Just as there were alternate societies for people who wanted that bigger challenge, there will be alternate societies for people who don't want to play Legend. It's fine. This tour is definitely going to lose some "every week" players - fingers crossed the lure of Legend fills up the field for you guys every week. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 20, 2023 13:55:24 GMT -5
The thing is you are just speculating from last week's result which let's be honest was very friendly to legend with it's big wide fairways. Just take a look at The Legend Tour and Craig's Simulation Tour and you'll see courses aren't ripped to pieces by the top sim players on legend difficulty. Also I used to worry about participation for way too long on USE . I thought if I bumped up the difficulty everyone would run a mile. Then came TAN society and the SIM community was loving legend difficulty. Worrying so much led me to actually getting bored of the game, legend difficulty totally sparked my interest again. TAN is a great society and great way for anyone interested in the new season of TST as it eases you into the difficulty and is handicapped so rewards all players who play well to their own skill level. I will also say if you really enjoy TST just give season 10 a chance. There seems to be this bad mentality on TGCTOURS that any change is a bad thing. TST is a SIM tour first and Frans and co changing it to Legend will really improve it in that regard. It's nice to view it as it's own thing rather than the other tour with a couple of aids turned off. Very impressed with the admin here that have looked past the posts of people saying they won't play to do what's right for the tour. TST has gained a new full time member and I will support the tour and play each week. Exiting times 😁 No joke, I'm happy for you guys. But I'd just say that not everything needs to be for everyone - you are selling the lower (higher?) scores as something people will like. But there are people who don't want to struggle to shoot +10/+20 each week. Just as there were alternate societies for people who wanted that bigger challenge, there will be alternate societies for people who don't want to play Legend. It's fine. This tour is definitely going to lose some "every week" players - fingers crossed the lure of Legend fills up the field for you guys every week. I totally agree mate that not every breakaway tour needs to be for everyone. I guess my point was more than it really is such a minimal difference between the two that anyone who would struggle to shoot +20 on legend is probably already struggling to shoot +20 on master. I think the difference between swing difficulties probably boils down to a few extra yards off-line per miss. And a little less leeway on distance control. Having played both for a long time now. I could well be wrong though and you're absolutely right it won't appeal to everyone. I hope you aren't including yourself in that group btw! I remember you on Xbox! I'm not buying you would struggle to break that number  Yeah don't want to labour the point obviously and people are entitled to not play what they don't want to (obviously) but I really would encourage anyone a little hesitant to give it a few weeks and hand on heart it's not more difficult than master on 21 tee to green. I've every confidence the scores will show that. I think there's a bit of a stigma around the whole "legend" thing really that fades away after a few rounds. My whole push for legend definitely wasn't a chest beating 'look how good we are' or anything like that. More of a, it's a tiny change that makes the game much better and more movement on the leaderboard throughout the week. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 13:56:02 GMT -5
The thing is you are just speculating from last week's result which let's be honest was very friendly to legend with it's big wide fairways. Just take a look at The Legend Tour and Craig's Simulation Tour and you'll see courses aren't ripped to pieces by the top sim players on legend difficulty. Also I used to worry about participation for way too long on USE . I thought if I bumped up the difficulty everyone would run a mile. Then came TAN society and the SIM community was loving legend difficulty. Worrying so much led me to actually getting bored of the game, legend difficulty totally sparked my interest again. TAN is a great society and great way for anyone interested in the new season of TST as it eases you into the difficulty and is handicapped so rewards all players who play well to their own skill level. I will also say if you really enjoy TST just give season 10 a chance. There seems to be this bad mentality on TGCTOURS that any change is a bad thing. TST is a SIM tour first and Frans and co changing it to Legend will really improve it in that regard. It's nice to view it as it's own thing rather than the other tour with a couple of aids turned off. Very impressed with the admin here that have looked past the posts of people saying they won't play to do what's right for the tour. TST has gained a new full time member and I will support the tour and play each week. Exiting times 😁 No joke, I'm happy for you guys. But I'd just say that not everything needs to be for everyone - you are selling the lower (higher?) scores as something people will like. But there are people who don't want to struggle to shoot +10/+20 each week. Just as there were alternate societies for people who wanted that bigger challenge, there will be alternate societies for people who don't want to play Legend. It's fine. This tour is definitely going to lose some "every week" players - fingers crossed the lure of Legend fills up the field for you guys every week. Well I'll sell legend this way, it brings more thinking to my game and that journeyman is me. I don't just pull out a driver every hole and hit it as far as I can regardless of hitting fairway or not. I have learned with legend that 3 wood or iron is the percentage shot off the tee at times, course management is good play for most courses. Yes you can't just blaze through your legend rounds and expect to shoot low, most of my bad play is when I throw course management out of the window and hit stupid shots without thinking. Also a good play sometimes is to club up and hit an easier iron into the green, overswing and missing tempo can be costly also a shorter backswing for me is easier to hit a good swingpath. I tend to do this more into a headwind. Sometimes centre green is the right way to play a hole, scrambling is tougher and why short side yourself by missing the green in the wrong place, it is harder to hit straight with legend so there is a real risk reward to this difficulty. My biggest advice is just be patient sometimes and birdies will come as you don't always have to chase them, I think the strongest part of my game is putting from 10 to 30 foot so I always feel I have a chance at that range. My biggest advice to other journeymen like me is just don't be too aggressive with putting, if you have good pace you find that those edge of cup putts drop rather than the aggressive putts that roll 5 to 6 foot past. No it's not all about birdies with legend par feels good at times and birdie feels well earned, legend really does feel like golf from it's driving to it's approach and scrambling and that is it's biggest selling point for me. |
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Post by Pen Knight on Sept 20, 2023 19:41:28 GMT -5
Legend is not a tiny change lol.
I don't mind Legend, but you can't seriously think that it's a tiny change?
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