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Post by yeltzman on Sept 10, 2023 5:47:39 GMT -5
I feel if you do go towards the legend setting route the person who selects the courses to play are going to be even more limited than normal in my view, If your a top player on the setting below going legend will not effect them in my view but the normal/average player going to struggle even more on those setting and courses.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 10, 2023 6:16:57 GMT -5
I tend to flit in and out of TST due to time constraints so haven’t voted as my vote is not particularly relevant.
But. As I find it frustrating enough already (I admit I don’t spend the time on a round that it requires) upping the difficulty to legend would mean I wouldn’t be bothering at all in Season 10.
Just my input as a more casual player compared to the serious “simmer” (or most proficient with a game controller and less aids).
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 10, 2023 6:42:34 GMT -5
I tend to flit in and out of TST due to time constraints so haven’t voted as my vote is not particularly relevant. But. As I find it frustrating enough already (I admit I don’t spend the time on a round that it requires) upping the difficulty to legend would mean I wouldn’t be bothering at all in Season 10. Just my input as a more casual player compared to the serious “simmer” (or most proficient with a game controller and less aids). Please vote - all votes matter |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 6:43:08 GMT -5
I feel if you do go towards the legend setting route the person who selects the courses to play are going to be even more limited than normal in my view, If your a top player on the setting below going legend will not effect them in my view but the normal/average player going to struggle even more on those setting and courses. There is also the reality that lesser difficulty courses and shorter courses are more of a challenge and don't have to be tricked up or use extreme conditions to have that challenge or realism. The top players are firing darts and driving is just point and shoot to them, it is coming down to a putting competition at the top of the leaderboard, some are way too good for master difficulty even on TST. The top players are crying out for more challenge tee to green so switching to legend would give more challenge as it must be getting pretty stale for them on the current difficulty. Then there are those that finish lower down the leaderboards each week that would find legend difficulty way too challenging. The problem is there is a huge divide in skills on TST so you can't please everyone. I will give these 2 tournaments a go as I don't touch marker distance anyway so it is just a visual irritation for me. I do expect some pretty high scores and quite a few DNF's but there's a quite a few people here who will really enjoy the challenge as their skill at the game is best suited to playing legend swing difficulty. You'll be surprised at how forgiving swing plane is on master , I couldn't believe it when I played master again a month or so ago. You need good timing and swing plane on legend, there is a lot more skill need to driving and especially approach shots. |
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 10, 2023 6:57:21 GMT -5
Must be my computer it does not let me click anything to vote.
Unless i have already voted....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 7:27:01 GMT -5
Must be my computer it does not let me click anything to vote. Unless i have already voted.... Are you signed in?, there is an option to change your vote if you have already. |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 10, 2023 7:27:28 GMT -5
I tend to flit in and out of TST due to time constraints so haven’t voted as my vote is not particularly relevant. But. As I find it frustrating enough already (I admit I don’t spend the time on a round that it requires) upping the difficulty to legend would mean I wouldn’t be bothering at all in Season 10. Just my input as a more casual player compared to the serious “simmer” (or most proficient with a game controller and less aids). You're the exact type of person who's vote matters mate. Everyone knows how the likes of me LP and hammers would vote. But if 95% of the players take one look and think 'bugger that' it's pointless. Fwiw as is hopefully clear from my previous post / ramble I'd probably change my vote to no if everything stayed the same and only swing difficulty changed for that reason. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 10, 2023 7:46:07 GMT -5
I tend to flit in and out of TST due to time constraints so haven’t voted as my vote is not particularly relevant. But. As I find it frustrating enough already (I admit I don’t spend the time on a round that it requires) upping the difficulty to legend would mean I wouldn’t be bothering at all in Season 10. Just my input as a more casual player compared to the serious “simmer” (or most proficient with a game controller and less aids). You're the exact type of person who's vote matters mate. Everyone knows how the likes of me LP and hammers would vote. But if 95% of the players take one look and think 'bugger that' it's pointless. Fwiw as is hopefully clear from my previous post / ramble I'd probably change my vote to no if everything stayed the same and only swing difficulty changed for that reason. I totally get there are those who want a tough challenge. But does upping the difficulty really make it a sim? Or just make the "game" more difficult? What's sim like about playing golf with a game controller? I have absolutely no issue with players wanting a more difficult game and I hope there is enough interest to make it viable. It's just not for me but no biggie as there are enough societies out there to keep me happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 8:03:04 GMT -5
You're the exact type of person who's vote matters mate. Everyone knows how the likes of me LP and hammers would vote. But if 95% of the players take one look and think 'bugger that' it's pointless. Fwiw as is hopefully clear from my previous post / ramble I'd probably change my vote to no if everything stayed the same and only swing difficulty changed for that reason. I totally get there are those who want a tough challenge. But does upping the difficulty really make it a sim? Or just make the "game" more difficult? What's sim like about playing golf with a game controller? I have absolutely no issue with players wanting a more difficult game and I hope there is enough interest to make it viable. It's just not for me but no biggie as there are enough societies out there to keep me happy. For me the jump to legend definitely makes it feel more realistic. I have played alot of rounds now on legend no aids and my average score is around par. Where it does feel much more realistic is that swing plane is definitely a thing on this difficulty, it is not all so much all about tempo and that is a great thing I think. Driving actually feels like you have a driver in your hands as apposed to master where it is just too easy and way too forgiving. You need better course management as pulling out a 3 wood and lower is the smater play on a lot of tougher driving holes.. |
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 10, 2023 8:06:18 GMT -5
I tend to flit in and out of TST due to time constraints so haven’t voted as my vote is not particularly relevant. But. As I find it frustrating enough already (I admit I don’t spend the time on a round that it requires) upping the difficulty to legend would mean I wouldn’t be bothering at all in Season 10. Just my input as a more casual player compared to the serious “simmer” (or most proficient with a game controller and less aids). Please vote - all votes matter , will TST is continuing with flights? If not, will there be a cutline? |
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 10, 2023 8:17:59 GMT -5
You're the exact type of person who's vote matters mate. Everyone knows how the likes of me LP and hammers would vote. But if 95% of the players take one look and think 'bugger that' it's pointless. Fwiw as is hopefully clear from my previous post / ramble I'd probably change my vote to no if everything stayed the same and only swing difficulty changed for that reason. I totally get there are those who want a tough challenge. But does upping the difficulty really make it a sim? Or just make the "game" more difficult? What's sim like about playing golf with a game controller? I have absolutely no issue with players wanting a more difficult game and I hope there is enough interest to make it viable. It's just not for me but no biggie as there are enough societies out there to keep me happy. So, like you, I don't think this is a sim in any way shape or form. But the term kind of works as a nice differentiator between grids and not, or marker and not, within the community. Frans, ignore me mate I swear to god I'm not pushing my luck here by talking about it... But that's why I'm so keen on no marker being bundled in with Legend, Ben. That way (imho) it moves away from just who is able to push a controller back and forth at the correct speed when I buzzes (which is a skill in itself!) And more I to 'ok if I miss the green here I'm going to have to play a partial pitch onto a downslope from rough and will have to judge it perfectly on my own', or makes a lag putt for par with elevation changes feel as good as making an eagle. Really, in essence, I totally agree with you and it's about moving away from skill on the analogue being the only differentiator and introducing in a lot more different aspects where people can excel and / or struggle. Basically what I (maybe poorly) described as certainty-based gameplay rather than gameplay based on uncertainty. I prefer the latter and I think it asks more similar questions to actual golf than the former. And in that sense it is more 'sim' imo, insomuch as that term means anything when discussing a game. Is playing that way in any way like swinging a golf club? Not a bit but I think its a better game and a better recreation of some of the aspects of real golf. If that makes sense. I guess in the end going legend with everything the same keeps everything grounded in certainty and adds difficulty on one thing (tempo) being tested out of two (tempo and swingplane), whereas what I enjoy with the mechanic-that-shall-not-be-named disabled is the uncertainty, different areas of your game being tested beyond merely proficiency on a stick and the excitement it brings. But at the end of the day it's just a preference. Some games I play on easy and chill out, sports games I just enjoy trying to get them as close as I can to a virtual representation of the real thing: I'm awful at Assetto Corsa but really enjoyed being back of the pack with all aids off and trying to improve. Anyway, I'll duck out because I really don't want to push my luck talking a little off-topic and disrespecting the discussion at hand. I just like chatting about this stuff too and I think when factoring in what's appropriate for TST the two are kind-of related. Hopefully that's kind of clear!  About to tee it up for the test event now. He picked WHAT course?! 😉😂 Cheers guys. Will shut up now... |
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Post by fransslabak on Sept 10, 2023 8:54:53 GMT -5
Please vote - all votes matter , will TST is continuing with flights? If not, will there be a cutline? No flights and leaning towards no cutline, which also means no penalty for those who do not finish. Having to finish r1/2 by Wednesday still in place though. |
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Post by Matt10 on Sept 10, 2023 9:05:20 GMT -5
+5 for me in the 1st round. Didn't feel that much different. Maybe just a bit of more timing, but I play without any shot feedback anyways. Personally, anything to make the full swing a tad harder/realistic is welcome. This game can feel mindless/auto-pilot at times, so if Legend helps get away from that, I'm all for it.
Regardless - keep the votes and discussions coming.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 10, 2023 9:11:00 GMT -5
Back on topic. Knocked it out of the park Round One. www.xbox.com/play/media/QKGGTF9TSPGoing to try and spread my rounds out this season so as much as I'm tempted to keep the train rolling that's me til tomorrow. |
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 10, 2023 10:10:50 GMT -5
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About to tee it up for the test event now. He picked WHAT course?! 😉😂
