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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 18:05:29 GMT -5
The thing is Ben that probably half the people that play this tour are now playing a tempo that is not suited to them. I love master difficulty and now it is not so brutal. If I start hitting 30 to 40 under consistently the game is a bore to me. I don't want birdies to replace pars as that is not golf. The scores now for TST are crazy low, cut lines of 11 under, I mean c'mon now this is not sim. Actually we actually have hit a nice sweet spot with the master tweak but nobody plays that we here anymore many are missing out. As I said I would have no issue if TST returned to Master. I appreciate looking at the scores that this is far too easy for many. It's not for me but there are plenty of places to go to enjoy my "game". This is not a golf club.....   OK shall I just play with all aids, grids etc, arcade splash shot because a controller is not a golf club. Well grid lines straight shooting 69 under par is not representation of golf it's arcade nonsense. It's Mario Golf. Taking off the aids makes it feels more like the game it is trying to represent and gives more of a challenge, no grids putting actually is the only part of the game that actually feels natural as close to golf as it gets, like the real game. It's not perfect but at least I want to play the game as close to sim as we can get. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 13, 2021 18:26:51 GMT -5
As I said I would have no issue if TST returned to Master. I appreciate looking at the scores that this is far too easy for many. It's not for me but there are plenty of places to go to enjoy my "game". This is not a golf club..... OK shall I just play with all aids, grids etc, arcade splash shot because a controller is not a golf club. Well grid lines straight shooting 69 under par is not representation of golf it's arcade nonsense. It's Mario Golf. Taking off the aids makes it feels more like the game it is trying to represent and gives more of a challenge, no grids putting actually is the only part of the game that actually feels natural as close to golf as it gets, like the real game. It's not perfect but at least I want to play the game as close to sim as we can get. And I have no issue with that Paul. At the end of the day this is something to be enjoyed so we should all play it in the way that gives us that pleasure. For you it's making it as close to real golf as possible. And that's fair enough. I'm not a real golfer so perhaps that also sways my view. To me this will always be a game. Horses for courses. We both want something different and that really isn't a problem. You have actually gone away and set up something that follows your beliefs, I'm heavily involved in something you'd call Mario Golf but it gives me a lot of fun. We all have our own way of making our leisure time enjoyable. At the end of the day, as I've said from the start, I'd fully understand if TST went back to Master. I do get that a great number of players here want to be challenged more and I can see Pro swing doesn't hit that spot. They're scoring better than I would with grids. If I ever score 69 under I'll pack up and play something else. That's a promise!!  |
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Post by blueblood1995 on Oct 13, 2021 19:02:02 GMT -5
Genuine question here and not trying to "poke the bear" but how does going from Pro to Master make it any more sim-like? I haven't played Master since first release last year because it's a sh*t show on Xbox (polling points and all that jazz!) but perhaps I should give it another go now that the changes have been made?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 13, 2021 21:28:49 GMT -5
Genuine question here and not trying to "poke the bear" but how does going from Pro to Master make it any more sim-like? I haven't played Master since first release last year because it's a sh*t show on Xbox (polling points and all that jazz!) but perhaps I should give it another go now that the changes have been made? James IMO the change from Pro to Master is only an attempt to temper scoring. As has been referenced in this thread, this is not real golf or even simulated golf, it is and always will be pixel gawlf. Some folks play games better than others. Would I play TST if it shifted to Master? Absolutely. Would I score worse? Absolutely! Would I enjoy it the same? Absolutely, because I enjoy playing PGA 2K21 plain and simple. Onward. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 13, 2021 23:36:57 GMT -5
I think I finished at -21, if I made the cut. Fun course, enjoyed it.
Onward!
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Post by greyosprey on Oct 14, 2021 0:19:46 GMT -5
Looks like a missed cut, so things are back to normal for me.  Shoutout to horusphoenix ! Looks like you're the lone xbox player to make the cut! So the TST portion of my weekly contribution to the Greenkeeper's Fund is a paltry $1.95. missed cut $0.00 0 Alabatross 0 Ace (0.00) 1 Eagles (0.50) 12 birds (0.05) 20 pars (0.02) 2 bogeys (0.10) 1 double (0.25) 0 worse (0.00) |
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Oct 14, 2021 0:36:51 GMT -5
IMO, we are 3 weeks in, a poll was posted and Pro came out on Top, so it was decided initially by whom ever voted for Pro over Master, ok it was what maybe 1 or 2 more if I remember correctly, scores are no different from game 1 when TST became a part of TGCT, heck i remember a -17 rd being posted then, the better players will always be 10 shots better off wether its Pro or Master, I accept that, now I wasn't a Pro campaigner, but having played a few weeks, live with Nath the enjoyment has returned, on Master he struggled, it was no fun listening to him berate and moan nearly every shot, plus I won nearly every week, now we are on a level playing field, fun/competitiveness has returned, alright Nath and I play against one another irrelevant to what all you other hackers score, so maybe thats the difference, I don't know, plus its Matt I feel for from day 1 he's been damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
This is how we are playing if you you don't like it don't bother playing thats my view, not everyone is going to be happy, heck i missed my 1st ever cut this week, im not wanting to go back to Master, end of the day we will all have different views and opinions, but mine is keep everything as we are, play the game as it is and have fun, no cheque comes out of my PS at the end of the week, and if the past 18 months has taught me anything, well life is more important than a poxy video game.
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Post by greyosprey on Oct 14, 2021 0:56:10 GMT -5
If we're worried about pro being to easy and the cutline being to low and not "sim", we could go back to last season and take a look at the top of the weekly leaderboards to compare how "sim" they were. Yes, the patch improved Masters on xbox. But let's not pretend it made xbox anywhere near competitive with Playstation. It still sucks, but to each their own.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 14, 2021 1:54:27 GMT -5
Genuine question here and not trying to "poke the bear" but how does going from Pro to Master make it any more sim-like? I haven't played Master since first release last year because it's a sh*t show on Xbox (polling points and all that jazz!) but perhaps I should give it another go now that the changes have been made? James IMO the change from Pro to Master is only an attempt to temper scoring. As has been referenced in this thread, this is not real golf or even simulated golf, it is and always will be pixel gawlf. Some folks play games better than others. Would I play TST if it shifted to Master? Absolutely. Would I score worse? Absolutely! Would I enjoy it the same? Absolutely, because I enjoy playing PGA 2K21 plain and simple. Onward. If it switched to Master I’d simply be out. I spent the whole of last season chopping and changing between Pro and Master and it just messes with your game imo. I’ve enjoyed this so far this season despite being crap but have no interest in going back to playing Master unless I was “forced” into it by the main tours going in that direction. |
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Post by Tombanator on Oct 14, 2021 11:02:14 GMT -5
Finished my rounds a bit earlier than usual. -3 for round 3 that was another effort type of round where I couldn't judge a putt worth a damn until the 18th, and a 125 yard hole out shot for eagle on 11. 3 bogeys too, not the three amigos but close enough.
Finishing this week with a -7 which, surprisingly, was correct when I was collecting my scorecard. No bogeys here, and I assume that should keep me steady wherever I may be at after 3 rounds. I'm projecting lower mid table amongst the cut crew.
Done at -27 for the week. Enjoyable rounds, course was nice. Could be saying these things since this is the best I've ever done, maybe not. Off to the clubhouse for a siesta and a cerveza.
Cheers and good luck!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 16:25:43 GMT -5
James IMO the change from Pro to Master is only an attempt to temper scoring. As has been referenced in this thread, this is not real golf or even simulated golf, it is and always will be pixel gawlf. Some folks play games better than others. Would I play TST if it shifted to Master? Absolutely. Would I score worse? Absolutely! Would I enjoy it the same? Absolutely, because I enjoy playing PGA 2K21 plain and simple. Onward. If it switched to Master I’d simply be out. I spent the whole of last season chopping and changing between Pro and Master and it just messes with your game imo. I’ve enjoyed this so far this season despite being crap but have no interest in going back to playing Master unless I was “forced” into it by the main tours going in that direction. I don't think switching to master would be the right thing to do as you can't be switching back and forth into a season. Pro is a good level for many, I just brought it up as 11 under is a low cut for a sim tour and the worse thing that could happen is extreme conditions and crazy pins to make it tougher for the better players. Master is a very different game now as it was brutally punishing for slight misses into the red zone before, the game plays as well as it ever has on master now. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 14, 2021 17:06:28 GMT -5
If it switched to Master I’d simply be out. I spent the whole of last season chopping and changing between Pro and Master and it just messes with your game imo. I’ve enjoyed this so far this season despite being crap but have no interest in going back to playing Master unless I was “forced” into it by the main tours going in that direction. I don't think switching to master would be the right thing to do as you can't be switching back and forth into a season. Pro is a good level for many, I just brought it up as 11 under is a low cut for a sim tour and the worse thing that could happen is extreme conditions and crazy pins to make it tougher for the better players. Master is a very different game now as it was brutally punishing for slight misses into the red zone before, the game plays as well as it ever has on master now. To be honest Paul I think a lot of players like me have just had enough of HB/2K's constant meddling with something at the start they insisted it was playing as it was meant to be. The red fast nerf was a half arsed attempt to put the game right, they shoved in this change and buggered off without really sticking around to see if they'd got it right. Then turned up again months later to finally put it (apparently) right. Too late for many. Pro has got players back, for how long remains to be seen. But it is the level I will play until the new game comes along and then we all strap ourselves in again for no doubt another Magical Mystery Tour. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 17:43:24 GMT -5
I don't think switching to master would be the right thing to do as you can't be switching back and forth into a season. Pro is a good level for many, I just brought it up as 11 under is a low cut for a sim tour and the worse thing that could happen is extreme conditions and crazy pins to make it tougher for the better players. Master is a very different game now as it was brutally punishing for slight misses into the red zone before, the game plays as well as it ever has on master now. To be honest Paul I think a lot of players like me have just had enough of HB/2K's constant meddling with something at the start they insisted it was playing as it was meant to be. The red fast nerf was a half arsed attempt to put the game right, they shoved in this change and buggered off without really sticking around to see if they'd got it right. Then turned up again months later to finally put it (apparently) right. Too late for many. Pro has got players back, for how long remains to be seen. But it is the level I will play until the new game comes along and then we all strap ourselves in again for no doubt another Magical Mystery Tour. I do see your point of view but 13 under to make a cut here which is totally crazy low might turn players off a bit. Just an honest assessment. |
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Post by oswinner on Oct 14, 2021 19:44:47 GMT -5
-11 and missed the cut lol. What has TST become?
For reference I played on a firm fast setup with master swing straight afterwards and blind drunk. Was -3 at the cut stage with an 11 on a par-5 lol.
66/67/69/67 (-19) Pro and drunk
73/68/74/73 (E) Master and blind drunk falling asleep, can’t even remember the last two rounds. Had fun though lol. I think.
Point being? I’m a middle of the road TST guy and even blind drunk I’ll be hitting around even par. Master swing is not that hard since the patch.
It’s quite ironic. HB patch the game to make it better and more sim-like and TST - a sim tour, choose to ignore it.
I can’t quite get my head around it. But no biggie, I don’t have to play it, nobody has a gun to my head.
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Post by karacakes on Oct 15, 2021 2:09:00 GMT -5
Not having the leaderboard might have really helped me. All I could do was focus on scoring and not thinking about what I needed to get done. In the end, -47 and currently T-4th is absolutely bonkers. Never could I have imagined doing this well so early into my true sim career! Incredible....
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