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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 4, 2021 7:28:10 GMT -5
I'm not playing the tours on Pro difficulty so I wouldn't know on this week's settings/course, sorry. I just cannot play with the boredom that is straight shooting on Pro. There is extremely little skill for the half decent players on Pro settings tee to green (that is easily 40-50% of the player base). That Gasman is where the skill has gone out the window. Tempo, believe it or not, is the main skill of this game. Dumbing that down to a lower difficulty neuters that skill for those who are at least half good. Then it becomes a putting contest. The only skill tee to green is math for wind and elevation. Calculating the distance required and what club to use. That's it. Calculate then straight shoot, done. Then there's the skill in putting that's left. A putting competition if you will. Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty. And it wouldn't shock me at all if schedulers modify their course selection strategies even more to choose more aggressive and challenging greens, especially if so many are saying there is now no skill from tee to green which is not true on Xbox. For the few who are nonstop saying they're 'bored' now, it's time to think of the 500 or more TGCT players who simply put, quietly stopped playing last season because they had no chance to shoot under par in any round, let alone hit fairways consistently. The game had zero enjoyment factor.
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Post by martbloke on Oct 4, 2021 7:32:44 GMT -5
In which case let us all in on your secret? I get one perfect, thats it. Four would be a dream and make it very easy. No secret really. If playing on 30hz, I find there is a lag from where you start pushing forwards and where the swing actually is in game. This was easily identifiable when comparing to 60hz which is more 1:1 with your input. Because of this I tend to start my downswing what feels like quite a bit before the animation reaches the top - think it's roughly as it passes it's shoulder. Always tend to hit 101% power (when I check by turning feedback on in testing) but only just so that the windows don't shrink that much. After that it's a case of understanding my speed going forwards and keeping that consistent. Other than that it's just been practicing on the range. On 60hz on my Series S I was hitting perfect for days because of the no lag. I'm a bit if a sadist and like a challenge so I preferred the lag of 30hz on my One X so I have only been playing on that. Do you use a third-party controller out of interest Mart? I only get one point on perfect on Xbox even on Pro, because the polling points are so spaced out and from chatting to a few people on here and on twitch it seems that with the official controller and any (or no) calibration the absolute maximum amount of points on Pro even is two (left and right edge). Fwiw though I agree with you on Pro not being to my taste personally, despite being willing to give it a go initially. But it seems to be such an overwhelmingly positive response from the vast majority that it's probably the right call imo even if it's not to our preference unfortunately. I use an official controller from their design lab for the One X. Honestly I get more than 1 point in the perfect zone. I have found that different backswing percentages tend to cause these different points at times. I tend to hit 101% with my default swing and hit a few points on that but then when I've hit 100%, I've also hit different points than before. I have hit dead centre multiple times (not necessarily saying that's how good I am as I'm just trying to get perfect and where it lands there, I don't really care, lol) and just off that to the slow side so definitely don't get just left and right points. Totally, I get their decision and fully understand it. It's just me venting as without that challenge in gameplay, the game feels boring and is not my cup of tea. Enjoyed it here when I've time to play so it's a bit sad to not want to play but nevermind. Like peeps say, there are other alternatives but they don't offer the same feeling that TGCT offers of promo and demotions while being in a league of similarly scoring people.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 7:47:09 GMT -5
I also much prefer the Xbox controller. The Series X is the best controller I have every used, love it. Ben as you have struggled with master tempo and you use an Xbox controller you'll see where I am coming from I could have a great round going on master with that Xbox controller then all of a sudden tempo just all over the place. Or start a round hitting every single shot fast till I had to come out of the round recalibrate and it was all good again. The tempo just doesn't feel right compared to the DS4 controller. I have not recalibrated once with the DS4, I am even using the Series X calibration I had. A faster swing is needed with the DS4 but it feels so much more responsive.I have RTX 3080ti and have the game capped at 97fps because my monitor is 100hz and I use G-Sync so the game is very responsive and it plays much better than on my PS4 Pro at 60hz Vsync. VRR really does make a difference to this game as I notice the PS4 Pro struggles with framerates on certain courses. Once I learned the feel of the DS4 for the game no turning back and the game is a much better experience on master setting. As for these calibration techniques, not a fan of them, I wouldn't use it on my PS4 and am glad it can't be done on PC. I cannot find any instructions for the games swing to be calibrated this way. It is manipulating a flaw in the game's calibration setting and it is cheating to make the game easier imo. And the fact that it can only be done on PS4 proves it is manipulating the calibration option. How would I connect the DS4 controller to my PC if I wanted to try it? Do you think it's worth trying it as a replacement for my Xbox Elite 2? You can use Bluetooth if your motherboard supports it, or a third party Bluetooth dongle. I have an official Sony Bluetooth dongle for PC that works great. Or you can plug in a USB to micro USB cable which also works great. Definitely worth trying as I believe it works much better for this game on PC.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 8:01:21 GMT -5
I also much prefer the Xbox controller. The Series X is the best controller I have every uses, love. Ben as you have struggled with master temp and you use an Xbox controller you'll see where I am coming from I could have a great round going on master with that Xbox controller then all of a sudden tempo just all over the place. Or start a round hitting every single shot fast till I had to come out of the round recalibrate and it was all good again. The tempo just doesn't feel right compared to the DS4 controller. I have not recalibrate once with the DS4, I am even using the Series X calibration I had. A faster swing is needed with the DS4 but it feels so much more responsive.I have RTX 3080ti and have the game capped at 97fps because my monitor is 100hz and I use G-Sync so the game is very responsive and it plays much better than on my PS4 Pro at 60hz Vsync. VRR really does make a difference to this game as I notice the PS4 Pro struggles with framerates on certain courses. One I learned the feel of the DS4 for the game no turning back and the game is a much better experience on master setting. As for these calibration techniques, not a fan of them, I wouldn't use it on my PS4 and am glad it can't be done on PC. I cannot find any instructions for the games swing to calibrate this way. It is manipulating a flaw in the game's calibration setting and it is cheating to make the game easier imo. And the fact that it can only be done on PS4 proves it is manipulating the calibration option. I was kidding about the calibration. I doubt I'd understand or be able to follow the instructions anyway! It's a shame it exists because it breaks the game at Master level when you are trying to promote cross platform play. I will be sticking to PC, with my series X controller, and Pro level swing and just enjoy what is provided on this site. TGCT kept me sane during lockdown!! I know you were kidding mate 😂 Glad that you have found a level where you can enjoy the game and Pro sounds right for you.I will be playing master and pro on Ultra Sim. What is frustrating is that I would want to use purple clubs for pro and gold for master. But swapping clubs back and forth is such hard work. Why we can't have bag sets to make this more accessible.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 4, 2021 8:06:25 GMT -5
I was kidding about the calibration. I doubt I'd understand or be able to follow the instructions anyway! It's a shame it exists because it breaks the game at Master level when you are trying to promote cross platform play. I will be sticking to PC, with my series X controller, and Pro level swing and just enjoy what is provided on this site. TGCT kept me sane during lockdown!! I know you were kidding mate 😂 Glad that you have found a level where you can enjoy the game and Pro sounds right for you.I will be playing master and pro on Ultra Sim. What is frustrating is that I would want to use purple clubs for pro and gold for master. But swapping clubs back and forth is such hard work. Why we can't have bag sets to make this more accessible. Bag sets definitely a must for the next version but I won't be holding my breath. Last season I played both levels and had what was essentially a compromise set of clubs. Much simpler this season to concentrate on one level which is why I ditched the Master level group I was in even though it was one of the most enjoyable. Just quickly tried a DS4 controller. Tempo fine, swing path started and finished in different postcodes
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 8:35:57 GMT -5
I know you were kidding mate 😂 Glad that you have found a level where you can enjoy the game and Pro sounds right for you.I will be playing master and pro on Ultra Sim. What is frustrating is that I would want to use purple clubs for pro and gold for master. But swapping clubs back and forth is such hard work. Why we can't have bag sets to make this more accessible. Bag sets definitely a must for the next version but I won't be holding my breath. Last season I played both levels and had what was essentially a compromise set of clubs. Much simpler this season to concentrate on one level which is why I ditched the Master level group I was in even though it was one of the most enjoyable. Just quickly tried a DS4 controller. Tempo fine, swing path started and finished in different postcodes Yes there is an adjustment needed with your thumb for the right stick and it takes a bit of practice. I have pretty much got my putting lines bang on straight....ish. I do have the odd pull shot now and occasional push but it is pretty good where I can hit the ball well. I like that though, with my Series X controller most shots were straight lines and inconsistent tempo.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Oct 4, 2021 9:16:46 GMT -5
Do you use a third-party controller out of interest Mart? I only get one point on perfect on Xbox even on Pro, because the polling points are so spaced out and from chatting to a few people on here and on twitch it seems that with the official controller and any (or no) calibration the absolute maximum amount of points on Pro even is two (left and right edge). Fwiw though I agree with you on Pro not being to my taste personally, despite being willing to give it a go initially. But it seems to be such an overwhelmingly positive response from the vast majority that it's probably the right call imo even if it's not to our preference unfortunately. I use an official controller from their design lab for the One X. Honestly I get more than 1 point in the perfect zone. I have found that different backswing percentages tend to cause these different points at times. I tend to hit 101% with my default swing and hit a few points on that but then when I've hit 100%, I've also hit different points than before. I have hit dead centre multiple times (not necessarily saying that's how good I am as I'm just trying to get perfect and where it lands there, I don't really care, lol) and just off that to the slow side so definitely don't get just left and right points. Totally, I get their decision and fully understand it. It's just me venting as without that challenge in gameplay, the game feels boring and is not my cup of tea. Enjoyed it here when I've time to play so it's a bit sad to not want to play but nevermind. Like peeps say, there are other alternatives but they don't offer the same feeling that TGCT offers of promo and demotions while being in a league of similarly scoring people. So, I think what's happening here - because I know you play without the marker from playing with you in 4LW this year, is that you maybe don't realise the impact intent has on the polling points. I originally thought the same as you; that I was capable of hitting several points in perfect on any given shot but after activating the marker on TGCT events, messing about with it and reading posts on here it's clear that although manipulating the marker shifts your points on that particular shot (even when disabled the marker is still there of course, just invisible) on master on xbox on a particular shot you still only have one point in the perfect zone. It's position will just move across that zone depending on how the marker (visible or invisible) is set. And yeah I get you. We both played 4LW all year and those are the settings I enjoy the most too. I'm not playing as much lately - playing some other games and don't enjoy Pro - but HammersMan's society might be right up your street. Pretty much identical to 4LW settings.
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Post by zooby97 on Oct 4, 2021 9:30:04 GMT -5
Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty. Absolutely spot on. I'm sweating on -17 for the cut rather than -5, the principle is the same and this season I had a lot more fun getting there than I did last. Exactly! The fun is back for a lot of people. Of course everybody just improves for just playing on Pro. But more enjoyable. And it is just until new game comes out so I’m good with everything as the Tours is what matters and people are back.
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Post by zooby97 on Oct 4, 2021 9:31:59 GMT -5
Well, let’s see how low you can go. You should be able to hit 55 each round. Yep coz that's what it's all about. Wouldn't be saying my piece if I found THAT enjoyable! If you haven't noticed already (or bothered to read my other comments and know who you're are responding to), scoring stupidly low is not what I'm about. It's about the challenge and skill of playing well. Playing a dead easy setting from tee to green and scoring birdies for fun is not for me. That's not rewarding nor enjoyable for me. Besides I don't play with any aids so that wouldn't happen anyways as on the green is a good challenge. Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty. They go hand in hand actually. Yes you could shoot straight on the plane but be off on tempo which means you ain't straight shooting. To shoot straight you need both plane to be straight and tempo to be perfect. Hence my wording that it's now just straight shooting - plane is larger so going outside that is a lot harder and so too with tempo zones. Hence straight shooting. Like I said I understand why they made the change and I understand that but for me there's a large chunk of skill that has been neutered here and I understand this is not of TGCT's making but HB/2Ks with that update. That's all I've said. This just isn't the place for me at this time. Have you created a new society to your likings? I’ll join if you do. I play in Pro and Master societies….
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Post by cseanny on Oct 4, 2021 9:40:34 GMT -5
martbloke You're the Only person I've heard of getting so many polling points. The following pertains to PRO settings. If you've never calibrated, then Xbox, when using forgiving clubs can get 2 points in perfect, however, 99% of Xboxer's who have used the calibration tool only get 1 point gray fast, 1 point perfect, and 1 point grey slow (or Red if using 295 driver). Yeah man, your console was obviously bio-engineered and cloned from a PS4.
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Post by Gasman on Oct 4, 2021 10:09:20 GMT -5
I would definitely be interested to see evidence of multiple perfect polling points on Xbox as I thought it wasn’t a thing. Maybe a video or two showing it’s doable may get me to buy a new controller.
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Post by cseanny on Oct 4, 2021 10:10:55 GMT -5
hammers1man Some people (you're not the only one) are under the impression that the only reason why PS4 players have good tempo is because they rely on unfair calibration techniques. PC players, in fact, Do have special calibration techniques, which can be accessed through Steam or special knowledge of a DS4, both of which pass API. Beyond that, calibration is in the game so players have more customization over their swing. Finally, as this brief video shows, PS4 players don't need to access any "miracle calibration" to strike consistent tempo's. This is a new account which has never used calibration, Masters, Wireless, with Purple Bridgestone Irons (max loft), and Purple Bridgestone Driver:
p.s. Says the guy who's decided to use a DS4 controller on PC because it's easier to hit tempo.
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Post by martbloke on Oct 4, 2021 10:21:33 GMT -5
So, I think what's happening here - because I know you play without the marker from playing with you in 4LW this year, is that you maybe don't realise the impact intent has on the polling points. I originally thought the same as you; that I was capable of hitting several points in perfect on any given shot but after activating the marker on TGCT events, messing about with it and reading posts on here it's clear that although manipulating the marker shifts your points on that particular shot (even when disabled the marker is still there of course, just invisible) on master on xbox on a particular shot you still only have one point in the perfect zone. It's position will just move across that zone depending on how the marker (visible or invisible) is set. And yeah I get you. We both played 4LW all year and those are the settings I enjoy the most too. I'm not playing as much lately - playing some other games and don't enjoy Pro - but HammersMan's society might be right up your street. Pretty much identical to 4LW settings. Hmmm. Well I assume therefore shots on the range without changing a thing should mean 1 point then? I did some testing on Master at lunch. I'll upload and share the link. No marker was moved although still in invisible and I think you'll see at least 3 points in perfect from centre to the right edge - for some reason I could not hit the left side of perfect lol. martbloke You're the Only person I've heard of getting so many polling points. The following pertains to PRO settings. If you've never calibrated, then Xbox, when using forgiving clubs can get 2 points in perfect, however, 99% of Xboxer's who have used the calibration tool only get 1 point gray fast, 1 point perfect, and 1 point grey slow (or Red if using 295 driver). Yeah man, your console was obviously bio-engineered and cloned from a PS4.
Hey as per above I'll upload and give the link in a few hours. I have calibrated but not since the last update. However I will say that this has been the same even before the last update.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 10:23:31 GMT -5
hammers1man Some people (you're not the only one) are under the impression that the only reason why PS4 players have good tempo is because they rely on unfair calibration techniques. PC players, in fact, Do have special calibration techniques, which can be accessed through Steam or special knowledge of a DS4, both of which pass API. Beyond that, calibration is in the game so players have more customization over their swing. Finally, as this brief video shows, PS4 players don't need to access any "miracle calibration" to strike consistent tempo's. This is a new account which has never used calibration, Masters, Wireless, with Purple Bridgestone Irons (max loft), and Purple Bridgestone Driver:
p.s. Says the guy who's decided to use a DS4 controller on PC because it's easier to hit tempo.
So if I am looking for an easier game why am I not playing on PS4 then. It is more about the PS4 controller being more responsive and accurate on PC than an Xbox controller which at times feels random to me. The stick for me on my Series X controller is much easier to hit straight lines 99% of the time, so the DS4 is more of a challenge that way I am sure you know what settings I use to know I am not looking for an easier game. As I said I think the game plays much better with a DS4, I'd use a DS5 if I had one
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Post by cseanny on Oct 4, 2021 10:33:02 GMT -5
hammers1man And I'm sure a lot of people think the game plays a lot better with specific types of calibrations as well, just like you think the game plays much better with a DS4. Common man o_^.
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