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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 3, 2021 23:48:45 GMT -5
Glad things are better on XB for you guys. Would you say the courses and conditions were pretty easy this week too? As far as I know, that was the plan, ease in and then increase the course/conditions difficulty. I'm not playing the tours on Pro difficulty so I wouldn't know on this week's settings/course, sorry. I just cannot play with the boredom that is straight shooting on Pro. There is extremely little skill for the half decent players on Pro settings tee to green (that is easily 40-50% of the player base). That Gasman is where the skill has gone out the window. Tempo, believe it or not, is the main skill of this game. Dumbing that down to a lower difficulty neuters that skill for those who are at least half good. Then it becomes a putting contest. The only skill tee to green is math for wind and elevation. Calculating the distance required and what club to use. That's it. Calculate then straight shoot, done. Then there's the skill in putting that's left. A putting competition if you will. Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 4, 2021 2:17:50 GMT -5
I'm not playing the tours on Pro difficulty so I wouldn't know on this week's settings/course, sorry. I just cannot play with the boredom that is straight shooting on Pro. There is extremely little skill for the half decent players on Pro settings tee to green (that is easily 40-50% of the player base). That Gasman is where the skill has gone out the window. Tempo, believe it or not, is the main skill of this game. Dumbing that down to a lower difficulty neuters that skill for those who are at least half good. Then it becomes a putting contest. The only skill tee to green is math for wind and elevation. Calculating the distance required and what club to use. That's it. Calculate then straight shoot, done. Then there's the skill in putting that's left. A putting competition if you will. Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty. Absolutely spot on. I'm sweating on -17 for the cut rather than -5, the principle is the same and this season I had a lot more fun getting there than I did last.
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Post by martbloke on Oct 4, 2021 2:20:53 GMT -5
Well, let’s see how low you can go. You should be able to hit 55 each round. Yep coz that's what it's all about. Wouldn't be saying my piece if I found THAT enjoyable! If you haven't noticed already (or bothered to read my other comments and know who you're are responding to), scoring stupidly low is not what I'm about. It's about the challenge and skill of playing well. Playing a dead easy setting from tee to green and scoring birdies for fun is not for me. That's not rewarding nor enjoyable for me. Besides I don't play with any aids so that wouldn't happen anyways as on the green is a good challenge. Straight shooting and tempo are two completely different things with this game. One could shoot a straight stick all day but if the tempo is off, getting the analog stick straight doesn’t guarantee anything. I wouldn’t call the move to pro as dumbing down more than it was adjusting an unfixable problem for a lot of folks. It was intended to even the playing field. People were not having fun. They were not enjoying the game. It frustrated them. From what I’ve read so far, the change has been welcome for most. The changes may make the game easier from tee to green but as they say, drive for show and putt for dough. I have no problem with this being about the putter. But that’s me and my view on it. That’s too bad that it bores you now, this is a fun community to compete and play with regardless of the difficulty. They go hand in hand actually. Yes you could shoot straight on the plane but be off on tempo which means you ain't straight shooting. To shoot straight you need both plane to be straight and tempo to be perfect. Hence my wording that it's now just straight shooting - plane is larger so going outside that is a lot harder and so too with tempo zones. Hence straight shooting. Like I said I understand why they made the change and I understand that but for me there's a large chunk of skill that has been neutered here and I understand this is not of TGCT's making but HB/2Ks with that update. That's all I've said. This just isn't the place for me at this time.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Oct 4, 2021 2:34:03 GMT -5
I assume you are on Playstation? Tempo even on pro is not so simple on Xbox. Tempo using Masters before the latest update was extremely difficult on Xbox, the reason the tours reverted to pro. So now on pro the game is easier still on Playstation, but on Xbox its now playable and enjoyable though still more difficult than on Playstation I believe. I haven't tried Masters since the update, I'm sure its easier than before, but the disparity between consoles will still most probably be marked. HB have thrown a spanner in the tours works, no doubt about it, but there should be a new game next year, and hopefully they can finally get one right for all. I'm not holding my breath. No dude. I'm on Xbox and Pro is easy as pie tee to green. Like I say, anyone half decent will have no issue at all on Pro tee to green regarding tempo, even on Xbox - it really doesn't have that major a variation in "random" tempo to cause extreme misses in Pro. To all: I don't understand this polling points thing - I'm not looking for a detailed explanation. I'm currently hitting probably 4 points in perfect, a few in greys slow and fast and all the reds of course too (lol), all on Master. I have no issues with this. I use the 277 yard (think Mizuno) driver for that extra bit of forgiveness so I wonder if those having issues are going for the late 280/290 driver? Hey look, I've always said I understood why they decided the change and for them, this makes sense with more and more players returning and playing more. To me, it's just not a place for skillful competition anymore, even TST are on Pro now - time to change name as that certainly is not True Sim. Maybe NAT - No Aids Tour but then they use the marker so that's out the window too, I guess haha. In which case let us all in on your secret? I get one perfect, thats it. Four would be a dream and make it very easy.
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Oct 4, 2021 2:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Oct 4, 2021 2:59:46 GMT -5
I assume you are on Playstation? Tempo even on pro is not so simple on Xbox. Tempo using Masters before the latest update was extremely difficult on Xbox, the reason the tours reverted to pro. So now on pro the game is easier still on Playstation, but on Xbox its now playable and enjoyable though still more difficult than on Playstation I believe. I haven't tried Masters since the update, I'm sure its easier than before, but the disparity between consoles will still most probably be marked. HB have thrown a spanner in the tours works, no doubt about it, but there should be a new game next year, and hopefully they can finally get one right for all. I'm not holding my breath. No dude. I'm on Xbox and Pro is easy as pie tee to green. Like I say, anyone half decent will have no issue at all on Pro tee to green regarding tempo, even on Xbox - it really doesn't have that major a variation in "random" tempo to cause extreme misses in Pro. To all: I don't understand this polling points thing - I'm not looking for a detailed explanation. I'm currently hitting probably 4 points in perfect, a few in greys slow and fast and all the reds of course too (lol), all on Master. I have no issues with this. I use the 277 yard (think Mizuno) driver for that extra bit of forgiveness so I wonder if those having issues are going for the late 280/290 driver? Hey look, I've always said I understood why they decided the change and for them, this makes sense with more and more players returning and playing more. To me, it's just not a place for skillful competition anymore, even TST are on Pro now - time to change name as that certainly is not True Sim. Maybe NAT - No Aids Tour but then they use the marker so that's out the window too, I guess haha. Do you use a third-party controller out of interest Mart? I only get one point on perfect on Xbox even on Pro, because the polling points are so spaced out and from chatting to a few people on here and on twitch it seems that with the official controller and any (or no) calibration the absolute maximum amount of points on Pro even is two (left and right edge). Fwiw though I agree with you on Pro not being to my taste personally, despite being willing to give it a go initially. But it seems to be such an overwhelmingly positive response from the vast majority that it's probably the right call imo even if it's not to our preference unfortunately.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 4:25:01 GMT -5
Do any 3rd party controllers on Xbox have a higher polling rate than 125hz?. The Nintendo Switch game is unplayable for me on master settings it has the same problems as Xbox, very few tempo points. Even pro is hard work on that console and suprise suprise, Nintendo use 125hz polling rate also for it's controller and the pro controller. I have given up with Xbox controllers for PC (which I have used since TGC 1) DS4 feels less random and is a much better experience for tempo. I can hit the lines much straighter with my Series X controller but with the DS4 it is more of a challenge, I like the trade off though. Just wandering if there are controllers on Xbox more suitable for this game's tempo mechanic.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 4, 2021 4:46:35 GMT -5
Do any 3rd party controllers on Xbox have a higher polling rate than 125hz?. The Nintendo Switch game is unplayable for me on master settings it has the same problems as Xbox, very few tempo points. Even pro is hard work on that console and suprise suprise, Nintendo use 125hz polling rate also for it's controller and the pro controller. I have given up with Xbox controllers for PC (which I have used since TGC 1) DS4 feels less random and is a much better experience for tempo. I can hit the lines much straighter with my Series X controller but with the DS4 it is more of a challenge, I like the trade off though. Just wandering if there are controllers on Xbox more suitable for this game's tempo mechanic. I'm sure you are right that the DS4 controller is perhaps better for PC but I'm uncomfortable with the stick set up having a preference for the XBox's asymmetrical layout. Otherwise I'd just play on PS4 where I could calibrate the controller to within an inch of it's life!! I have an Nacon asymmetrical controller for the PS4 but doubt it would pass TGCT's API and whether it would pick up the extra polling points is anyone's guess. My technical knowledge consists of being able to connect the controller to the PC using a cable
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Post by gatorman on Oct 4, 2021 5:14:38 GMT -5
Do any 3rd party controllers on Xbox have a higher polling rate than 125hz?. The Nintendo Switch game is unplayable for me on master settings it has the same problems as Xbox, very few tempo points. Even pro is hard work on that console and suprise suprise, Nintendo use 125hz polling rate also for it's controller and the pro controller. I have given up with Xbox controllers for PC (which I have used since TGC 1) DS4 feels less random and is a much better experience for tempo. I can hit the lines much straighter with my Series X controller but with the DS4 it is more of a challenge, I like the trade off though. Just wandering if there are controllers on Xbox more suitable for this game's tempo mechanic. I use the Xbox Elite 2 controller with a bluetooth connection on my PC. Does anyone know what the polling rate is for this connection? I assume a higher polling rate is better. Would I get better polling rate if I use my controller with the PC wireless dongle connection vs bluetooth? Would a wired connection be even better? I never really considered how that variable could affect my tempo accuracy.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 5:20:10 GMT -5
Do any 3rd party controllers on Xbox have a higher polling rate than 125hz?. The Nintendo Switch game is unplayable for me on master settings it has the same problems as Xbox, very few tempo points. Even pro is hard work on that console and suprise suprise, Nintendo use 125hz polling rate also for it's controller and the pro controller. I have given up with Xbox controllers for PC (which I have used since TGC 1) DS4 feels less random and is a much better experience for tempo. I can hit the lines much straighter with my Series X controller but with the DS4 it is more of a challenge, I like the trade off though. Just wandering if there are controllers on Xbox more suitable for this game's tempo mechanic. I use the Xbox Elite 2 controller with a bluetooth connection on my PC. Does anyone know what the polling rate is for this connection? I assume a higher polling rate is better. Would I get better polling rate if I use my controller with the PC wireless dongle connection vs bluetooth? Would a wired connection be even better? I never really considered how that variable could affect my tempo accuracy. 125hz through usb and Bluetooth.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 4, 2021 5:53:09 GMT -5
Do any 3rd party controllers on Xbox have a higher polling rate than 125hz?. The Nintendo Switch game is unplayable for me on master settings it has the same problems as Xbox, very few tempo points. Even pro is hard work on that console and suprise suprise, Nintendo use 125hz polling rate also for it's controller and the pro controller. I have given up with Xbox controllers for PC (which I have used since TGC 1) DS4 feels less random and is a much better experience for tempo. I can hit the lines much straighter with my Series X controller but with the DS4 it is more of a challenge, I like the trade off though. Just wandering if there are controllers on Xbox more suitable for this game's tempo mechanic. I'm sure you are right that the DS4 controller is perhaps better for PC but I'm uncomfortable with the stick set up having a preference for the XBox's asymmetrical layout. Otherwise I'd just play on PS4 where I could calibrate the controller to within an inch of it's life!! I have an Nacon asymmetrical controller for the PS4 but doubt it would pass TGCT's API and whether it would pick up the extra polling points is anyone's guess. My technical knowledge consists of being able to connect the controller to the PC using a cable I also much prefer the Xbox controller. The Series X is the best controller I have every used, love it. Ben as you have struggled with master tempo and you use an Xbox controller you'll see where I am coming from I could have a great round going on master with that Xbox controller then all of a sudden tempo just all over the place. Or start a round hitting every single shot fast till I had to come out of the round recalibrate and it was all good again. The tempo just doesn't feel right compared to the DS4 controller. I have not recalibrated once with the DS4, I am even using the Series X calibration I had. A faster swing is needed with the DS4 but it feels so much more responsive.I have RTX 3080ti and have the game capped at 97fps because my monitor is 100hz and I use G-Sync so the game is very responsive and it plays much better than on my PS4 Pro at 60hz Vsync. VRR really does make a difference to this game as I notice the PS4 Pro struggles with framerates on certain courses. Once I learned the feel of the DS4 for the game no turning back and the game is a much better experience on master setting. As for these calibration techniques, not a fan of them, I wouldn't use it on my PS4 and am glad it can't be done on PC. I cannot find any instructions for the games swing to be calibrated this way. It is manipulating a flaw in the game's calibration setting and it is cheating to make the game easier imo. And the fact that it can only be done on PS4 proves it is manipulating the calibration option.
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Oct 4, 2021 5:58:02 GMT -5
I'm sure you are right that the DS4 controller is perhaps better for PC but I'm uncomfortable with the stick set up having a preference for the XBox's asymmetrical layout. Otherwise I'd just play on PS4 where I could calibrate the controller to within an inch of it's life!! I have an Nacon asymmetrical controller for the PS4 but doubt it would pass TGCT's API and whether it would pick up the extra polling points is anyone's guess. My technical knowledge consists of being able to connect the controller to the PC using a cable I also much prefer the Xbox controller. The Series X is the best controller I have every uses, love. Ben as you have struggled with master temp and you use an Xbox controller you'll see where I am coming from I could have a great round going on master with that Xbox controller then all of a sudden tempo just all over the place. Or start a round hitting every single shot fast till I had to come out of the round recalibrate and it was all good again. The tempo just doesn't feel right compared to the DS4 controller. I have not recalibrate once with the DS4, I am even using the Series X calibration I had. A faster swing is needed with the DS4 but it feels so much more responsive.I have RTX 3080ti and have the game capped at 97fps because my monitor is 100hz and I use G-Sync so the game is very responsive and it plays much better than on my PS4 Pro at 60hz Vsync. VRR really does make a difference to this game as I notice the PS4 Pro struggles with framerates on certain courses. One I learned the feel of the DS4 for the game no turning back and the game is a much better experience on master setting. As for these calibration techniques, not a fan of them, I wouldn't use it on my PS4 and am glad it can't be done on PC. I cannot find any instructions for the games swing to calibrate this way. It is manipulating a flaw in the game's calibration setting and it is cheating to make the game easier imo. And the fact that it can only be done on PS4 proves it is manipulating the calibration option. I was kidding about the calibration. I doubt I'd understand or be able to follow the instructions anyway! It's a shame it exists because it breaks the game at Master level when you are trying to promote cross platform play. I will be sticking to PC, with my series X controller, and Pro level swing and just enjoy what is provided on this site. TGCT kept me sane during lockdown!!
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 4, 2021 7:10:02 GMT -5
The patch didn’t change the fundamental reason why we switched to pro in the first place… So little chance of going back to Masters And still find it baffling to hear the pro is too easy camp…it’s still not easy The PS group are still firing off their -10 to -15 rounds on Tours after the change to Pro difficulty (not much different than Master difficulty). It's just now that some PS people indicate they are 'bored' playing on this level. Tears are flowing. Stop thinking about yourselves and think about the ENTIRE player base and the long term well being of TGCT. The Xbox group now has a few guys hitting the above mentioned round scores after the business decision by TGCT admin (and listening to their entire player base as a whole). It's a great thing. And as BillySastard976 mentioned, tempo, even on Pro difficulty, is NOT a walk in the park for Xbox players. It is easier to obtain somewhat better results though. Those people who indicate they're bored consistently shooting amazing rounds, I'll say to you all what many on the PS side said to players who were crippled by Master difficulty after the two horrible swing updates: I'm quite sure there are plenty of fantastic Master level PS societies for you all to play in, or create your own, exactly the way you want it.
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 4, 2021 7:17:31 GMT -5
I'm fully behind the switch to Pro, just an FYI. I'm just saying I can see where the "Pro is too easy" crowd is coming from. I know we will wait a few weeks to see the dust settling and all that. It's just that saying a -54 score in CC-I is a bit of a departure from the norm. I totally agree. Given the upcoming promotion event as well as additional weeks for courses to toughen up a bit (first week it seemed that CC course was on the easier side), I think there will be more of that A-L top score becoming (roughly) higher and higher the farther down in flights you go.
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 4, 2021 7:19:26 GMT -5
just a quick question and don't know if it's been asked or if it can't be done but would it be possible to lock the swing setting to Pro and above rather than just pro only? This way those who want to play on Master swing can do so. I'm never going to win anything anyway even on pro but it would allow me to play the tours and have a more enjoyable time as I find Pro just too boring from tee to green. I only joined last year and loved the challenge of playing on master, even with all the random swing timings, just made it more exciting and even though I'd be around 6 shots worse off per round than playing on pro I'd choose the master option if available. The only option would be to set the swing to open but that would allow players to use pro-am or even beginner!! Honor system. I mean DUH! LOL
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Post by gatorman on Oct 4, 2021 7:25:44 GMT -5
I'm sure you are right that the DS4 controller is perhaps better for PC but I'm uncomfortable with the stick set up having a preference for the XBox's asymmetrical layout. Otherwise I'd just play on PS4 where I could calibrate the controller to within an inch of it's life!! I have an Nacon asymmetrical controller for the PS4 but doubt it would pass TGCT's API and whether it would pick up the extra polling points is anyone's guess. My technical knowledge consists of being able to connect the controller to the PC using a cable I also much prefer the Xbox controller. The Series X is the best controller I have every used, love it. Ben as you have struggled with master tempo and you use an Xbox controller you'll see where I am coming from I could have a great round going on master with that Xbox controller then all of a sudden tempo just all over the place. Or start a round hitting every single shot fast till I had to come out of the round recalibrate and it was all good again. The tempo just doesn't feel right compared to the DS4 controller. I have not recalibrated once with the DS4, I am even using the Series X calibration I had. A faster swing is needed with the DS4 but it feels so much more responsive.I have RTX 3080ti and have the game capped at 97fps because my monitor is 100hz and I use G-Sync so the game is very responsive and it plays much better than on my PS4 Pro at 60hz Vsync. VRR really does make a difference to this game as I notice the PS4 Pro struggles with framerates on certain courses. Once I learned the feel of the DS4 for the game no turning back and the game is a much better experience on master setting. As for these calibration techniques, not a fan of them, I wouldn't use it on my PS4 and am glad it can't be done on PC. I cannot find any instructions for the games swing to be calibrated this way. It is manipulating a flaw in the game's calibration setting and it is cheating to make the game easier imo. And the fact that it can only be done on PS4 proves it is manipulating the calibration option. How would I connect the DS4 controller to my PC if I wanted to try it? Do you think it's worth trying it as a replacement for my Xbox Elite 2?
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