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Post by oswinner on Sept 17, 2021 9:30:27 GMT -5
Wow OK. I guess some peeps don't get it. Just because I find tempo too easy on Pro doesn't mean I'm smashing courses up. Like tempo is the only factor to scoring well, right? I don't play with a green grid so putting is harder yet so much more enjoyable - would never put the grid on ever again. Hitting my distance and direction due to wind and lie effect and TruShot is a different story - I'm not exactly bang on the pin. Added with the no grids putting doesn't exactly make me birdie hunting every hole. Anyways, the issue is that hitting perfect tempo on Pro is too easy. From tee to green it's boring. You might as well not have tempo on. You played with no tempo? Boring as hell. I don't play just for competition, to be the best player ever. 1st and foremost I play for enjoyment and Pro is not that. I find enjoyment from challenging myself. As for setting up my own society - great argument that! Might as well not have replied that was such a waste of a comment. I play casually and for enjoyment. I'm not here to be playing every minute of the day on this game. I have other games I enjoy too and other stuff in my life so I don't have the time to consistently play, let alone manage a society. Play when I can and want so solo play is scratching the itch atm, it's just not competition against human players is the only downside which is what I used TGCT for when I found time to play a weekly tournament. Personal preference so I don't know why some are so irritated by it. Maybe because they feel I'm being elitest and that irks them. I'm not; just stating my feelings on Pro. You might as well just play mini golf courses as it's effectively only going to come down to putting in the higher levels. People already smashing courses up on Master. To me this move is only about inclusivity which is fine but from a competitive standpoint for the top players, this just dumbs the game even more. I know it's not TGCT's fault as HB messed up the update causing such a big difference between Pro and Master, in fact just going too far with distance punishment causing Master to become effectively the new Legend. So I don't blame TGCT for this change but it's not for me. I’m with you Mart. Pro feels too easy. Masters feels too punishing (not too hard, there’s a difference). So for now, I’m just playing masters offline career mode until there’s a better golf game released. Six swing difficulties in this game and none of them feel ‘right’. |
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 17, 2021 9:33:54 GMT -5
Wow OK. I guess some peeps don't get it. Just because I find tempo too easy on Pro doesn't mean I'm smashing courses up. Like tempo is the only factor to scoring well, right? I don't play with a green grid so putting is harder yet so much more enjoyable - would never put the grid on ever again. Hitting my distance and direction due to wind and lie effect and TruShot is a different story - I'm not exactly bang on the pin. Added with the no grids putting doesn't exactly make me birdie hunting every hole. Anyways, the issue is that hitting perfect tempo on Pro is too easy. From tee to green it's boring. You might as well not have tempo on. You played with no tempo? Boring as hell. I don't play just for competition, to be the best player ever. 1st and foremost I play for enjoyment and Pro is not that. I find enjoyment from challenging myself. As for setting up my own society - great argument that! Might as well not have replied that was such a waste of a comment. I play casually and for enjoyment. I'm not here to be playing every minute of the day on this game. I have other games I enjoy too and other stuff in my life so I don't have the time to consistently play, let alone manage a society. Play when I can and want so solo play is scratching the itch atm, it's just not competition against human players is the only downside which is what I used TGCT for when I found time to play a weekly tournament. Personal preference so I don't know why some are so irritated by it. Maybe because they feel I'm being elitest and that irks them. I'm not; just stating my feelings on Pro. You might as well just play mini golf courses as it's effectively only going to come down to putting in the higher levels. People already smashing courses up on Master. To me this move is only about inclusivity which is fine but from a competitive standpoint for the top players, this just dumbs the game even more. I know it's not TGCT's fault as HB messed up the update causing such a big difference between Pro and Master, in fact just going too far with distance punishment causing Master to become effectively the new Legend. So I don't blame TGCT for this change but it's not for me. I’m with you Mart. Pro feels too easy. Masters feels too punishing (not too hard, there’s a difference). So for now, I’m just playing masters offline career mode until there’s a better golf game released. Six swing difficulties in this game and none of them feel ‘right’. Those swing changes really widened that gap. I am glad that TGCT has tried to find a way to add some difficulty to the Pro settings. But if you're used to playing on a higher difficulty, I do understand dropping to Pro would be a big shift. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 17, 2021 9:39:50 GMT -5
I’m with you Mart. Pro feels too easy. Masters feels too punishing (not too hard, there’s a difference). So for now, I’m just playing masters offline career mode until there’s a better golf game released. Six swing difficulties in this game and none of them feel ‘right’. Those swing changes really widened that gap. I am glad that TGCT has tried to find a way to add some difficulty to the Pro settings. But if you're used to playing on a higher difficulty, I do understand dropping to Pro would be a big shift. The red fast nerf was done with very little back up. They waded in, changed a few calcs, implemented it across the board and buggered off. It needed refined. Some of the shorter shots became far too punishing, people got fed up and voted with their feet leaving us with a mess that TGCT have done their best damage limitation job on. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 17, 2021 9:57:31 GMT -5
Those swing changes really widened that gap. I am glad that TGCT has tried to find a way to add some difficulty to the Pro settings. But if you're used to playing on a higher difficulty, I do understand dropping to Pro would be a big shift. The red fast nerf was done with very little back up. They waded in, changed a few calcs, implemented it across the board and buggered off. It needed refined. Some of the shorter shots became far too punishing, people got fed up and voted with their feet leaving us with a mess that TGCT have done their best damage limitation job on. Agreed. Too harsh after the first server update. They then doubled down without any adjustments and with the second server nerf, made it a complete mess for a very healthy portion of their user base. The sweet spot is a difficulty level between Pro and Master. Was never put in. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 17, 2021 10:07:43 GMT -5
Wow OK. I guess some peeps don't get it. Just because I find tempo too easy on Pro doesn't mean I'm smashing courses up. Like tempo is the only factor to scoring well, right? I don't play with a green grid so putting is harder yet so much more enjoyable - would never put the grid on ever again. Hitting my distance and direction due to wind and lie effect and TruShot is a different story - I'm not exactly bang on the pin. Added with the no grids putting doesn't exactly make me birdie hunting every hole. Anyways, the issue is that hitting perfect tempo on Pro is too easy. From tee to green it's boring. You might as well not have tempo on. You played with no tempo? Boring as hell. I don't play just for competition, to be the best player ever. 1st and foremost I play for enjoyment and Pro is not that. I find enjoyment from challenging myself. As for setting up my own society - great argument that! Might as well not have replied that was such a waste of a comment. I play casually and for enjoyment. I'm not here to be playing every minute of the day on this game. I have other games I enjoy too and other stuff in my life so I don't have the time to consistently play, let alone manage a society. Play when I can and want so solo play is scratching the itch atm, it's just not competition against human players is the only downside which is what I used TGCT for when I found time to play a weekly tournament. Personal preference so I don't know why some are so irritated by it. Maybe because they feel I'm being elitest and that irks them. I'm not; just stating my feelings on Pro. You might as well just play mini golf courses as it's effectively only going to come down to putting in the higher levels. People already smashing courses up on Master. To me this move is only about inclusivity which is fine but from a competitive standpoint for the top players, this just dumbs the game even more. I know it's not TGCT's fault as HB messed up the update causing such a big difference between Pro and Master, in fact just going too far with distance punishment causing Master to become effectively the new Legend. So I don't blame TGCT for this change but it's not for me. There were numerous suggestions to help you with your conundrum and no one but you seems to be irritated. I also found it interesting that you indicate that your comments back to you were "a waste" when others were sincerely trying to help. You were the one who, in your original post, professed to announce you'll be taking a leave of absence from Tours due to this change. This choice was made for the health of TGCT, for THIS game, and the entire player base as a group. Not for one person, or for the 100 or so that are harshly against this change. The numbers don't lie regarding the sharp decrease in play on TGCT and those are numbers that Doyley and a select few others have. That being said, the community will miss you on the Tours. |
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Post by JoeOP on Sept 17, 2021 10:09:09 GMT -5
im good with everything but the lie grid being off, this isnt real life golf and we arent standing near the ball. also, if lie grid is going to be turned off it should be off for the challenge circuit as well.
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Post by martbloke on Sept 17, 2021 11:59:32 GMT -5
Mart play sim only so I assume he has most assists off. Ah, OK. I honestly wasn't sure. Thanks for the info. Yeah as Hammers says, I play full Sim only - not quite as hardcore as the USE guys mind as I do like adjusting the camera after seeing or just before it lands (don't have follow cam on though) and do use TruShot. No grids at all (lie and green), wind meter only, no markers whatsoever, no distance meter, not even a flag icon (not that that makes any difference lol), distance in HUD with book only and no scout cam. Regarding clubs, it makes no difference in Pro difficulty if I go for the most penalised clubs for tempo there are as the windows really don't narrow that much to make it difficult or challenging for me. It's OK, people like the settings TGCT have chosen and that's fine with me as of course they need and want more people to join and play. Like I said, it's not their fault they have had to do this and I am certain they would've stuck with Master had HB not c*cked the update up for people. I quite enjoy the update and the challenge of Master as it does certainly penalise you for bad shots unlike what I find with Pro, but do still feel it was a touch OTT - but that's just my thoughts on it. It's a shame as I do feel the top 4-5 tiers of players will find it all being a putting competition as tee to green for them and most, will just be golf on rails. It will mean to shake things up, I assume the rangers/admins will need to crank conditions and I'm not a fan or making courses artificially difficult by cranking up firmness or making it high winds, etc if that turns out to be the case. A course should be easy or hard based on it's layout, pins and how tricky the rough is, not adjusting settings to make it harder because the swing is easier. Hey, I may be wrong on that but without that, each event will be boring for anyone who was half decent on Master and is just about who can/cannot putt or who can land closest to the hole as the rest is essentially a given to them. The only excitement I can see for them is not in gameplay but from scores on the leaderboard. It's turned from the best being those who can be consistent on their swing and get that birdie to make the difference to the best not dropping a silly putt. Anyways, these settings are not for me that's all I am saying. I know there are probably a good 60-70% that these settings are great for and I am genuinely happy for them as they get to be back in the mix, able to compete and come back to play on TGCT again without the game being frustrating for them. That's all that matters at the end of the day for people who want to compete against others. |
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Post by dime5150 on Sept 17, 2021 12:01:40 GMT -5
So for everyone complaining that pro is too easy, what are you scoring? -15 per round? -10 steadily?
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Post by martbloke on Sept 17, 2021 12:17:12 GMT -5
Wow OK. I guess some peeps don't get it. Just because I find tempo too easy on Pro doesn't mean I'm smashing courses up. Like tempo is the only factor to scoring well, right? I don't play with a green grid so putting is harder yet so much more enjoyable - would never put the grid on ever again. Hitting my distance and direction due to wind and lie effect and TruShot is a different story - I'm not exactly bang on the pin. Added with the no grids putting doesn't exactly make me birdie hunting every hole. Anyways, the issue is that hitting perfect tempo on Pro is too easy. From tee to green it's boring. You might as well not have tempo on. You played with no tempo? Boring as hell. I don't play just for competition, to be the best player ever. 1st and foremost I play for enjoyment and Pro is not that. I find enjoyment from challenging myself. As for setting up my own society - great argument that! Might as well not have replied that was such a waste of a comment. I play casually and for enjoyment. I'm not here to be playing every minute of the day on this game. I have other games I enjoy too and other stuff in my life so I don't have the time to consistently play, let alone manage a society. Play when I can and want so solo play is scratching the itch atm, it's just not competition against human players is the only downside which is what I used TGCT for when I found time to play a weekly tournament. Personal preference so I don't know why some are so irritated by it. Maybe because they feel I'm being elitest and that irks them. I'm not; just stating my feelings on Pro. You might as well just play mini golf courses as it's effectively only going to come down to putting in the higher levels. People already smashing courses up on Master. To me this move is only about inclusivity which is fine but from a competitive standpoint for the top players, this just dumbs the game even more. I know it's not TGCT's fault as HB messed up the update causing such a big difference between Pro and Master, in fact just going too far with distance punishment causing Master to become effectively the new Legend. So I don't blame TGCT for this change but it's not for me. There were numerous suggestions to help you with your conundrum and no one but you seems to be irritated. I also found it interesting that you indicate that your comments back to you were "a waste" when others were sincerely trying to help. You were the one who, in your original post, professed to announce you'll be taking a leave of absence from Tours due to this change. This choice was made for the health of TGCT, for THIS game, and the entire player base as a group. Not for one person, or for the 100 or so that are harshly against this change. The numbers don't lie regarding the sharp decrease in play on TGCT and those are numbers that Doyley and a select few others have. That being said, the community will miss you on the Tours. My initial comment was just feedback on my position and what I made of the settings that's all. I was not calling for a change and understood/understand why these have been made. I just wanted to voice that for those who have played a whole season on here on the Master settings even since the change and have scored well (or enjoy the challenge of tempo on Master), this drop is likely to make gameplay boring from tee to green. And again, that's not TGCT's fault and I can see that. I just feel this takes away a large part of the skill and game for most of the top 4-5 tiers of players (down to CC-A/B) and just becomes a putting challenge. Like others who have applauded the change, I too am allowed to give my 2 cents albeit the other way around. I would never ever want anyone to change anything just for me. That's not me, nor is that fair. If it was a overwhelming majority who thought the same, then it's different but you won't know that unless people say. I mean, I play(ed) the tours using TST settings as that's how I enjoy the game so I'm not there to compete and be the best beating everyone so would try and sway the settings to favour me, but I play to have fun and while doing so, compete in a league format around a bunch of players who play their own way that score similar to me. Fun for me is challenging gameplay, not can I beat a certain score. Before it is mentioned, "Oh there is the TST tour." I gave up on that as you just struggle to make a cut being on Xbox against PC and PS4 players it was just pointless playing. The Tours offer something different and a league for all levels so was happy in CC-F I think I am. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 17, 2021 12:37:41 GMT -5
There were numerous suggestions to help you with your conundrum and no one but you seems to be irritated. I also found it interesting that you indicate that your comments back to you were "a waste" when others were sincerely trying to help. You were the one who, in your original post, professed to announce you'll be taking a leave of absence from Tours due to this change. This choice was made for the health of TGCT, for THIS game, and the entire player base as a group. Not for one person, or for the 100 or so that are harshly against this change. The numbers don't lie regarding the sharp decrease in play on TGCT and those are numbers that Doyley and a select few others have. That being said, the community will miss you on the Tours. My initial comment was just feedback on my position and what I made of the settings that's all. I was not calling for a change and understood/understand why these have been made. I just wanted to voice that for those who have played a whole season on here on the Master settings even since the change and have scored well (or enjoy the challenge of tempo on Master), this drop is likely to make gameplay boring from tee to green. And again, that's not TGCT's fault and I can see that. I just feel this takes away a large part of the skill and game for most of the top 4-5 tiers of players (down to CC-A/B) and just becomes a putting challenge. Like others who have applauded the change, I too am allowed to give my 2 cents albeit the other way around. I would never ever want anyone to change anything just for me. That's not me, nor is that fair. If it was a overwhelming majority who thought the same, then it's different but you won't know that unless people say. I mean, I play(ed) the tours using TST settings as that's how I enjoy the game so I'm not there to compete and be the best beating everyone so would try and sway the settings to favour me, but I play to have fun and while doing so, compete in a league format around a bunch of players who play their own way that score similar to me. Fun for me is challenging gameplay, not can I beat a certain score. Before it is mentioned, "Oh there is the TST tour." I gave up on that as you just struggle to make a cut being on Xbox against PC and PS4 players it was just pointless playing. The Tours offer something different and a league for all levels so was happy in CC-F I think I am. Very fair response martblokeConsider this though: After test tournaments and events before this past season began, a great portion of players expressed their desire to play on Pro difficulty for Tours, or at minimum, Pro difficulty on CC flights. The decision was made to go with Master difficulty across the board (Pro and CC). Then the infamous red fast fiasco (the only thing giving Xbox players ANY CHANCE of competing, especially on the three big tours) consisting of two egregious server updates 8 plus months post release of the game. By mid to late season, the game became a chore to play for most of the player base and the numbers showed that. Pro difficulty on the Xbox console isn't a robotic walk in the park. I've always said that if the difficulty on PS4/PC mirrored the difficulty on Xbox, we'd all be enjoying some amazing competition. This may be about inclusion somewhat but it's far more than that. It's about the well being of TGCT. |
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Post by martbloke on Sept 17, 2021 13:26:01 GMT -5
My initial comment was just feedback on my position and what I made of the settings that's all. I was not calling for a change and understood/understand why these have been made. I just wanted to voice that for those who have played a whole season on here on the Master settings even since the change and have scored well (or enjoy the challenge of tempo on Master), this drop is likely to make gameplay boring from tee to green. And again, that's not TGCT's fault and I can see that. I just feel this takes away a large part of the skill and game for most of the top 4-5 tiers of players (down to CC-A/B) and just becomes a putting challenge. Like others who have applauded the change, I too am allowed to give my 2 cents albeit the other way around. I would never ever want anyone to change anything just for me. That's not me, nor is that fair. If it was a overwhelming majority who thought the same, then it's different but you won't know that unless people say. I mean, I play(ed) the tours using TST settings as that's how I enjoy the game so I'm not there to compete and be the best beating everyone so would try and sway the settings to favour me, but I play to have fun and while doing so, compete in a league format around a bunch of players who play their own way that score similar to me. Fun for me is challenging gameplay, not can I beat a certain score. Before it is mentioned, "Oh there is the TST tour." I gave up on that as you just struggle to make a cut being on Xbox against PC and PS4 players it was just pointless playing. The Tours offer something different and a league for all levels so was happy in CC-F I think I am. Very fair response martblokeConsider this though: After test tournaments and events before this past season began, a great portion of players expressed their desire to play on Pro difficulty for Tours, or at minimum, Pro difficulty on CC flights. The decision was made to go with Master difficulty across the board (Pro and CC). Then the infamous red fast fiasco (the only thing giving Xbox players ANY CHANCE of competing, especially on the three big tours) consisting of two egregious server updates 8 plus months post release of the game. By mid to late season, the game became a chore to play for most of the player base and the numbers showed that. Pro difficulty on the Xbox console isn't a robotic walk in the park. I've always said that if the difficulty on PS4/PC mirrored the difficulty on Xbox, we'd all be enjoying some amazing competition. This may be about inclusion somewhat but it's far more than that. It's about the well being of TGCT. Yep I get that most wanted Pro but that was at the start of the game and, as I believe the TGCT team stated, people would get better the more they played the new game so went with Master. I am an xboxer and even so, Pro is too easy (for me) because the windows are large. I think they're way over double master possibly 3x but that's from memory and would have to double check that so don't quote me on that haha. The grey zones are quite large too so hitting a bad shot that actually penalises you is actually quite difficult IMO. I think the inclusion and well being of TGCT go hand in hand which is why they made the drop to keep players and bring back those who left because of the update. It's what's best for them and I can see that, but because of the vast difference of Master and Pro, I feel the skill part of the competition has taken a backwards step (Xbox excluded of course). I don't think this will make the better players score way better than on Master as those scores were outrageous anyways, but it will certainly close the gap between them and those who are slightly worse who had a slight struggle on Master. That could be considered good for potential competition in the league scores but to me, doesn't scream that those at the top will definitely be the most skilled now. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 17, 2021 13:37:26 GMT -5
Very fair response martbloke Consider this though: After test tournaments and events before this past season began, a great portion of players expressed their desire to play on Pro difficulty for Tours, or at minimum, Pro difficulty on CC flights. The decision was made to go with Master difficulty across the board (Pro and CC). Then the infamous red fast fiasco (the only thing giving Xbox players ANY CHANCE of competing, especially on the three big tours) consisting of two egregious server updates 8 plus months post release of the game. By mid to late season, the game became a chore to play for most of the player base and the numbers showed that. Pro difficulty on the Xbox console isn't a robotic walk in the park. I've always said that if the difficulty on PS4/PC mirrored the difficulty on Xbox, we'd all be enjoying some amazing competition. This may be about inclusion somewhat but it's far more than that. It's about the well being of TGCT. Yep I get that most wanted Pro but that was at the start of the game and, as I believe the TGCT team stated, people would get better the more they played the new game so went with Master. I am an xboxer and even so, Pro is too easy (for me) because the windows are large. I think they're way over double master possibly 3x but that's from memory and would have to double check that so don't quote me on that haha. The grey zones are quite large too so hitting a bad shot that actually penalises you is actually quite difficult IMO. I think the inclusion and well being of TGCT go hand in hand which is why they made the drop to keep players and bring back those who left because of the update. It's what's best for them and I can see that, but because of the vast difference of Master and Pro, I feel the skill part of the competition has taken a backwards step (Xbox excluded of course). I don't think this will make the better players score way better than on Master as those scores were outrageous anyways, but it will certainly close the gap between them and those who are slightly worse who had a slight struggle on Master. That could be considered good for potential competition in the league scores but to me, doesn't scream that those at the top will definitely be the most skilled now. As you, along with many others have agreed with and stated: If there was a difficulty BETWEEN Pro and Master difficulty, that would've been the sweet spot. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 14:15:00 GMT -5
Yep I get that most wanted Pro but that was at the start of the game and, as I believe the TGCT team stated, people would get better the more they played the new game so went with Master. I am an xboxer and even so, Pro is too easy (for me) because the windows are large. I think they're way over double master possibly 3x but that's from memory and would have to double check that so don't quote me on that haha. The grey zones are quite large too so hitting a bad shot that actually penalises you is actually quite difficult IMO. I think the inclusion and well being of TGCT go hand in hand which is why they made the drop to keep players and bring back those who left because of the update. It's what's best for them and I can see that, but because of the vast difference of Master and Pro, I feel the skill part of the competition has taken a backwards step (Xbox excluded of course). I don't think this will make the better players score way better than on Master as those scores were outrageous anyways, but it will certainly close the gap between them and those who are slightly worse who had a slight struggle on Master. That could be considered good for potential competition in the league scores but to me, doesn't scream that those at the top will definitely be the most skilled now. As you, along with many others have agreed with and stated: If there was a difficulty BETWEEN Pro and Master difficulty, that would've been the sweet spot. If anyone watched the BMW PGA Championship on Sunday Kiradech Aphibarnrat hit a miss hit while leading where he hit the fairway some 60+ odd yards short. Now how often do we see this in real golf from a pro, I actually can't remember with masters the last time I hooked or sliced the ball into the trees but a slightly out of tempo box and a huge penalty for distance where it should be more of a slight loss of distance and more left or right ball spin. Yes they have on the most basic level just nerfed the ease of just aiming left or right for a consistent 30 yard hooked drive. I like Mart thought Pro wasn't for me (golf on rails) but I actually played 2 USE test tournaments -13 at Olympic Fields and -3 at East Lake (Tour 2020) and actually really enjoyed the challenge. It certainly isn't a walk in the park, chipping is really still crap with the wedges (3 chip ins in my last round) but that happens in master too but it didn't feel like a blow out hole could come at anytime and destroy some good play and turn a good vibe into total frustration. There is always a place for master for me and playing certain courses the difficulty really shines, but long championship courses master is brutally difficult and frustrating on PC hate to think how hard it is on XBox. Also if calibration is so important its great that people don't have to get it just right now, it is not a level playing field even on PS4/5 when someone who doesn't use a calibration formula has a disadvantage to others that do. So many different variables , controllers, platforms, calibration so zero even playing field. Also master was just too tough a difficulty level for so many here so it wasn't enjoyment but frustration, I was always surprised why TGCTours used it for every flight last season. |
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Post by gatorman on Sept 17, 2021 14:54:16 GMT -5
I don't know what the fuss is about. Duffers like me struggled with Master's, and it's not like I can light it up on Pro either, maybe a few shots better with current settings. My only concern is that duffers will still be average at best on Pro, while the average players will score significantly better, probably pushing me further down the leaderboard. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 15:00:30 GMT -5
I don't know what the fuss is about. Duffers like me struggled with Master's, and it's not like I can light it up on Pro either, maybe a few shots better with current settings. My only concern is that duffers will still be average at best on Pro, while the average players will score significantly better, probably pushing me further down the leaderboard. We shall see. The difference for me isn't that I hit more birdies on pro , it's that I hit less bogies and double bogies. |
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