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Post by rossdancingblaz on Sept 11, 2021 15:17:50 GMT -5
Cc-b player here, shot -15 on the pro tours test event. I know im only playing in cc but them settings were brilliant, made it more interesting. Pro swing has made it easy but these settings make you think about your shot. I wasn't affected on the putting but im more of a 'feel'player. I'll be happy whatever settings you choose, appreciate all the hard work you put in
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Post by greyosprey on Sept 11, 2021 15:31:09 GMT -5
Special Event Test @ Fenyard Keep
CC-D (xbox)
+6 1st rd. Rush through the 1st round due to having to go to work. I really enjoy this set-up and wouldn't mind seeing it used in CC.
Do these settings allow for "open" so we could individually use this set-up in CC if we wanted too?
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Post by golfingaddict on Sept 11, 2021 15:34:20 GMT -5
Even with Scout Cam Off it's extremely easy to aim exactly 15y, 24y, 37y, or even 50y left or right of your target; look no further than my Red Fast Ultra Sim Experience video. Also, "Book" can be used for everything else precision needed. Scout Cam On doesn't make the game less difficult, however, it certainly can affect speed of play and ease of use.
Imo CCs should leave everything as it was last season, while the top 3 tours only add No Lie Grid. Messing with marker/no marker, distances, etc., would be a huge mistake. You already have TST for that.
For putting, it just means going box by box and counting out exactly how much power I want to add to my putt. For people who line it up and go, this doesn't affect them at all except maybe make them think a second or two more, but for many of us with a methodical playstyle it really just adds more time. It's not a lack of information, but an annoying obfuscation. But I guess to an average player, that would make it harder. Just had a question I thought of for you since you are one of the top players. Also congratulations on the Tour Championship win! With the change to Pro Swing difficulty do you think your proximity to the hole will improve? Lets say just for example you average 20ft per birdie attempt with the Master swing setting but with Pro you sit between 10-15ft. With averaging closer to the hole you will have less boxes to count with whatever you method may use. I assume you were already getting perfect on most of your swings so I was curious how much of an impact do you think the swing difficulty change would impact your proximity to hole on approaches for you?
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karacakes
Amateur Golfer
Posts: 174
TGCT Name: Kara Santos
Tour: Platinum
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Post by karacakes on Sept 11, 2021 16:00:16 GMT -5
For putting, it just means going box by box and counting out exactly how much power I want to add to my putt. For people who line it up and go, this doesn't affect them at all except maybe make them think a second or two more, but for many of us with a methodical playstyle it really just adds more time. It's not a lack of information, but an annoying obfuscation. But I guess to an average player, that would make it harder. Just had a question I thought of for you since you are one of the top players. Also congratulations on the Tour Championship win! With the change to Pro Swing difficulty do you think your proximity to the hole will improve? Lets say just for example you average 20ft per birdie attempt with the Master swing setting but with Pro you sit between 10-15ft. With averaging closer to the hole you will have less boxes to count with whatever you method may use. I assume you were already getting perfect on most of your swings so I was curious how much of an impact do you think the swing difficulty change would impact your proximity to hole on approaches for you? It's going to change my playstyle drastically, though in a very weird way I don't think people will replicate. I'm going to be playing max spin on most of my shots with the highest tier clubs - theoretically with good reads, I will have excellent proximity to the hole. I'm leveraging my tempo to basically hit masters level difficulty shots on some holes with the shot shaping + extra spin, but with risk that I am not 100% perfect on masters tempo. So on most holes - yes I should be able to get much closer to make these issues much smaller, but I will miss once in a while, or misread. That's where the issues can be pretty tough. On Fenyard, on some holes you just can't play a shot directly to the hole. I can get close but most of the time I will get kicked kind of far. I'm not great at fade/draw styled shot shaping other than on my 3W/3H.
So in general, yeah I think proximity will be better. In my testing, I could achieve better scores by a bit on my absolute best rounds on tough courses, but going to pro doesn't necessarily mean I can do it every round. And putting will always be a bit of an achilles heel. Even if I'm closer, I can still mess that part up. I hate 8ft downhill putts with break. Just depends how quickly I learn these clubs. I've already had some very good results in masters societies even though I can't max spin since I'm not changing my bag, but it's still a bit of growing pains.
and thanks for the congrats. The win meant a lot to me, and my confidence has been sky high since.
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 11, 2021 16:09:05 GMT -5
After i tried Special events Pro tours test 1, i made +1, that's the more i like it ! Pro Swing is still tasteless but at least, i made bogeys, hurray ! My conclusion is you have to seriously increase course difficult to counteract pro swing. Why don't you Just use difficult course for all tgctours divisions ? It Will be Great and We could really compare us with best players! Better to use the ladder system to actually get promoted to compare yourself against better players, surely? There needs to be a difficult spread for all, otherwise, where’s the entry?
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 11, 2021 16:16:13 GMT -5
I'm all-in for no green grid if you want even in CC. But let's stay realistic, most CC won't like this change. I dunno how much, but some are not even aware it's possible to remove distances. I had messages telling me something was wrong in my society since they couldn't see distances anymore. They play the game a for full year and have never heard about the book. Not everyone fit this description, and others are not idiot too. But there's a limit on change you can do with CC without having some quitting. I’d only do no lie grid for all tiers….People who do not want no green grid can go play Tru Sim…. I’ve seen this said an awful lot… Do you mind if I ask 1) are you a pro tour player? 2) have you ever played no grids WITH SCOUT ON, which IS NOT TST?
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Post by fadgewacker on Sept 11, 2021 16:20:35 GMT -5
Even with Scout Cam Off it's extremely easy to aim exactly 15y, 24y, 37y, or even 50y left or right of your target; look no further than my Red Fast Ultra Sim Experience video. Also, "Book" can be used for everything else precision needed. Scout Cam On doesn't make the game less difficult, however, it certainly can affect speed of play and ease of use.
Imo CCs should leave everything as it was last season, while the top 3 tours only add No Lie Grid. Messing with marker/no marker, distances, etc., would be a huge mistake. You already have TST for that.
What’s against the potential marker change Sean? Think it adds a bit of a challenge. Takes a little robotic computation out and makes a little more of estimation a skill.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 11, 2021 16:33:15 GMT -5
Just for fun, here's how the top scores look in the Special Event Test on PS4 and Xbox - I know this is a pretty small sample size, but I was curious as to how the leaderboards differed:
PS4: -22 -18 -16 -16 -16 -16 -15 -15 -14 -14 -14
Xbox: -6 -5 -5 -5 -1 -1 +1 +2 +3 +6
At this point, only 11 people have played the event on Xbox, while 35 have played on PS. 28 of the 35 PS users are under par for the event.
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Post by zooby97 on Sept 11, 2021 16:40:53 GMT -5
I’d only do no lie grid for all tiers….People who do not want no green grid can go play Tru Sim…. I’ve seen this said an awful lot… Do you mind if I ask 1) are you a pro tour player? 2) have you ever played no grids WITH SCOUT ON, which IS NOT TST? I am not a Pro Tour player….I’m just an average CC player that was shooting 61-70 before updates and then 66-73 after updates….Master was tough/ frustrating after updates but I was determined to play better….I also play all 3 Pro Tours to see how I do in the societies. I also played Tru Sims because I like the setup and the thought of each shot…. I was starting to read the greens better as the year went on. As for the current Special Event setup, I like it very much….the no lie grid doesn’t really bother me…But I also feel all tours should have green grids besides Tru Sim. I like to see how the greens are sculpted.
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Post by batfunk on Sept 11, 2021 16:44:55 GMT -5
After i tried Special events Pro tours test 1, i made +1, that's the more i like it ! Pro Swing is still tasteless but at least, i made bogeys, hurray ! My conclusion is you have to seriously increase course difficult to counteract pro swing. Why don't you Just use difficult course for all tgctours divisions ? It Will be Great and We could really compare us with best players! Better to use the ladder system to actually get promoted to compare yourself against better players, surely? There needs to be a difficult spread for all, otherwise, where’s the entry? Maybe i'm Alone with this philosophy but i love simulation, i want to compare with real life golf.If you set the same difficult course for every one, it Will be like in real life. Best ones Will be well under par, worst ones Will be far over par, it doesn't prevent promotions, you can have the lowest division with a cut at +20. Sure, it Will Hurt some egos, especially those Who can't live without making birdie at each hole(yeah, i play daily with some lol). If you want to progress, Just train ! With Master swing, easy challenge tour courses were Just ok.With pro swing, even the weakest player on Earth Will be under par.-10 per round is not golf, it's boredom.
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Post by coruler2 on Sept 11, 2021 16:45:47 GMT -5
Special Event settings were perfect for me. Fully endorse using those
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Post by zooby97 on Sept 11, 2021 16:47:17 GMT -5
Better to use the ladder system to actually get promoted to compare yourself against better players, surely? There needs to be a difficult spread for all, otherwise, where’s the entry? Maybe i'm Alone with this philosophy but i love simulation, i want to compare with real life golf.If you set the same difficult course for every one, it Will be like in real life. Best ones Will be well under par, worst ones Will be far over par, it doesn't prevent promotions, you can have the lowest division with a cut at +10. Sure, it Will Hurt some egos, especially those Who can't live without making birdie at each hole(yeah, i play daily with some lol). If you want to progress, Just train ! With Master swing, easy challenge tour courses were Just ok.With pro swing, even the weakest player on Earth Will be under par.-10 per round is not golf, it's boredom. Did you play the Special Events test yet? If you did, what was your score for both rounds….
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Post by batfunk on Sept 11, 2021 16:52:06 GMT -5
I did, +1. It was-14 and -18 for the event with two setup
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 11, 2021 16:53:14 GMT -5
Better to use the ladder system to actually get promoted to compare yourself against better players, surely? There needs to be a difficult spread for all, otherwise, where’s the entry? Maybe i'm Alone with this philosophy but i love simulation, i want to compare with real life golf.If you set the same difficult course for every one, it Will be like in real life. Best ones Will be well under par, worst ones Will be far over par, it doesn't prevent promotions, you can have the lowest division with a cut at +20. Sure, it Will Hurt some egos, especially those Who can't live without making birdie at each hole(yeah, i play daily with some lol). If you want to progress, Just train ! With Master swing, easy challenge tour courses were Just ok.With pro swing, even the weakest player on Earth Will be under par.-10 per round is not golf, it's boredom. But it's really not like real life. They don't play the Korn Ferry Tour event each week at the same course that hosts the PGA Tour event...
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Post by SkyBlueBen on Sept 11, 2021 16:55:08 GMT -5
Just for fun, here's how the top scores look in the Special Event Test on PS4 and Xbox - I know this is a pretty small sample size, but I was curious as to how the leaderboards differed: At this point, only 11 people have played the event on Xbox, while 35 have played on PS. 28 of the 35 PS users are under par for the event. Whatever happens PS4 will always have a big advantage over XB and possibly to some extent over PC (I'm not sure if that's true at Pro level or not). The difference is that on Pro at least XB players will (hopefully) have a bit of fun being involved in TGCT again. Hopeful that Season 8 will be a fun one without the angst of Season 7 while we await to see what HB/2K throws at us next!!
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