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Post by Doyley on Sept 6, 2021 21:25:31 GMT -5
UPDATE
Got a couple of test events aimed at the Top Tour(s) - please play the event in the Special Events society.
Please Note:
1. Course yardage is set to Book Only 2. Aim Marker is set to Marker Only (means no distance/elevation will show above your aim marker) 3. Under Display & HUD menu you can set Distance Info Position to "In HUD". This will show the distance/elevation to the pin from your current position - if you have Distance Info Position set to On Marker you will not see this information (and be at a disadvantage).
I realize that #1 and #3 contradict each other - if you set Course Yardage to Book Only and Set Distance Info Position to "In HUD" you sort of circumvent the Course Yardage setting (which is supposed to hide all yardages unless you use the Course Book) on approach shots and par 3's - but it does leave a bit of work with drives and lay-ups on par 5's as you have to eye-ball elevation changes. The "In HUD" setting does allow you to see elevation info on any shot you are hitting into a pin which is a must have. We can not set/lock Display & HUD settings so it's best to make sure users know the option to see some yardage and elevation info - without it this setup will not be fun.
Let me know how this feels and if you think it adds any difficulty to your rounds while still keeping frustration levels low.
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We've created a couple of test events to see if there are options we can tweak to make the tours a bit more difficult while using the Pro swing. Please play and provide some feedback. Keep in mind I'm going into this thinking we'll keep the same settings from the season just ending (but with Pro Swing) but wanted to give you all a chance to try some out to see if the shoe fits better.
Challenge Circuit 1st event: No Scout Cam, No Lie Grid, Pro Swing 2nd event: No Lie Grid, Pro Swing
Kinetic No Lie Grid, Pro Swing
Each event is 2 rounds and lasts 3 days.
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Post by Doyley on Sept 6, 2021 21:47:56 GMT -5
Should note we still have 2 free societies so if anyone wants an extended look we could create more events.
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Post by flyingj75 on Sept 6, 2021 22:03:45 GMT -5
My 2 cents: No lie grid for sure, it adds a little mystery. No scout cam is great fun especially off the tee. Problem is on approaches you have no clue what you are hitting into which of course is how you plan out your approach, swells in the green, etc. Unless of course you do by playing the course with the same pins prior to your tourney round which frankly you would be insane not to do if you really wanted to compete. I see that as a huge problem.
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Post by bunkcity on Sept 6, 2021 22:20:24 GMT -5
Losing the lie grid is just craziness. I don’t agree with scaling back from the master swing but I understand the reasoning behind it. But to try and make up more difficulty by completely taking all the skill and fun out of the tour is not the way to go. If people don’t want a grid they should join the true sim tour.
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Post by pollingpoints on Sept 6, 2021 22:24:00 GMT -5
My 2 cents: No lie grid for sure, it adds a little mystery. No scout cam is great fun especially off the tee. Problem is on approaches you have no clue what you are hitting into which of course is how you plan out your approach, swells in the green, etc. Unless of course you do by playing the course with the same pins prior to your tourney round which frankly you would be insane not to do if you really wanted to compete. I see that as a huge problem. Caddy here looking for work. 20 dollars per event 😅
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Post by Nicholas254 on Sept 6, 2021 22:24:35 GMT -5
We've created a couple of test events to see if there are options we can tweak to make the tours a bit more difficult while using the Pro swing. Please play and provide some feedback. Keep in mind I'm going into this thinking we'll keep the same settings from the season just ending (but with Pro Swing) but wanted to give you all a chance to try some out to see if the shoe fits better.
Challenge Circuit 1st event: No Scout Cam, No Lie Grid, Pro Swing 2nd event: No Lie Grid, Pro Swing
Each event is 2 rounds and lasts 3 days.
Definitely will not be playing if green grid etc. is turned off. I don’t want to play true sim for the tours. Sorry. Love that the tours are going pro but this is not something I’d play if that happens.
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Post by Nicholas254 on Sept 6, 2021 22:25:22 GMT -5
Losing the lie grid is just craziness. I don’t agree with scaling back from the master swing but I understand the reasoning behind it. But to try and make up more difficulty by completely taking all the skill and fun out of the tour is not the way to go. If people don’t want a grid they should join the true sim tour. Exactly!
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Post by pollingpoints on Sept 6, 2021 22:28:00 GMT -5
Losing the lie grid is just craziness. I don’t agree with scaling back from the master swing but I understand the reasoning behind it. But to try and make up more difficulty by completely taking all the skill and fun out of the tour is not the way to go. If people don’t want a grid they should join the true sim tour. To each his own because I feel like no lie grids make it more fun and adds skill buttt I'm apart of the make the game harder not easier camp
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Sept 6, 2021 22:32:08 GMT -5
The green grid is on.
The lie grid looks at your shots from non-putting shots. a.k.a. above/below your feet and a L/R slant from fairways, etc on shots into the green. That is what is turned off in this first event along, NOT the green grids as well.
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 6, 2021 22:33:22 GMT -5
Green grid is still on (or at least I hope I set it right).. it's just the lie grid that is not.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 6, 2021 22:35:51 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, and I haven't played the test events or anything, but I am not a fan of removing lie grid or scout cam.
You cannot get a truly accurate read on the slopes of the fairway without the lie grid. There are times where it seems there is no slope, and it's actually yellow or maybe even orange or red, but it's hard to tell due to shadows, lighting, or just because it's a video game on a screen and it's not possible to "feel" the undulations. Even the visuals of the golfer don't always tell the whole story, so you can't rely on that, either.
Scout cam needs to be there IMO, too, especially for the approach shots as mentioned in a previous post. If the scout cam is turned off and now players are being asked to play multiple practice rounds to chart the course and greens on their own, I'm not sure how that's going to entice people to come back. Just seems like more work, especially of you're like me and would be playing in the low levels of CC.
Just my gut reaction from seeing these settings. Perhaps it will change once I'd try playing the game like this. But to me, it seems like those wanting to play the game like this, using fewer aids, could just play True Sim Tour.
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Amateur Golfer
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Post by 9ironanon on Sept 6, 2021 22:37:44 GMT -5
Playing my rounds right now and I can say while I miss the absolute hell out of the scout cam, I'm not shooting any worse without it bar some long par 3s that I can still at least scramble for. If any change is made beyond the swings, I could see the removal of scout cam at the top flights as the way to go here, as it wouldn't be a stretch to say that if a couple users every week made a green book by taking screenshots of the greens overhead for those who'd want to use them for approach shots that it wouldn't be given too much backlash. The top shooters are gonna do what they do anyways, taking their scout cam away could be the difference between a 59 and a 62.
Do another test event with just scout cam removed and I think we'll have found a happy medium.
EDIT: Actually scratch that, as if you do that PC users can still F10/11 and get an overhead. Completely gaming the system.
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Post by HoneyBadgerHacker on Sept 6, 2021 22:43:29 GMT -5
Played two rounds. 60 and then 66. Lie gird off is a must but not green grid of course. Don’t think I could ever get used to no scout cam. If it’s possible to have that as an option for say R4 that could add some interest. Also a reason I like the scout cam is to see some of these great courses. Can’t really do that during tournament rounds if it’s off.
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Post by InsanericK on Sept 6, 2021 22:46:56 GMT -5
I don't think some player realise how it will be if nothing is changed to increase the difficulty level. I have played in every tours last season and the Beer League have been a little deception and let me explain why
Whatever your skills are and if you are aiming for the victory or making the cut, your tournement will be over after 5 holes if your not doing great. Good won't be enough. Cause alot of people are gonna be great. You are -3 after 9 holes cause some bad bounces and average play and it's barely over. Even in the case you would make a birdie for the last 9 holes, it's just -12 and leaders are already at -17. You already need an albatros or some lucky eagles to cut some shots! It is not that fun to be honnest. The tougher it is, the better are your chance of making a suprise when you're playing great
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Post by Nicholas254 on Sept 6, 2021 22:49:12 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, and I haven't played the test events or anything, but I am not a fan of removing lie grid or scout cam. You cannot get a truly accurate read on the slopes of the fairway without the lie grid. There are times where it seems there is no slope, and it's actually yellow or maybe even orange or red, but it's hard to tell due to shadows, lighting, or just because it's a video game on a screen and it's not possible to "feel" the undulations. Even the visuals of the golfer don't always tell the whole story, so you can't rely on that, either. Scout cam needs to be there IMO, too, especially for the approach shots as mentioned in a previous post. If the scout cam is turned off and now players are being asked to play multiple practice rounds to chart the course and greens on their own, I'm not sure how that's going to entice people to come back. Just seems like more work, especially of you're like me and would be playing in the low levels of CC. Just my gut reaction from seeing these settings. Perhaps it will change once I'd try playing the game like this. But to me, it seems like those wanting to play the game like this, using fewer aids, could just play True Sim Tour. Totally agree
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