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Post by zacheroni on Sept 22, 2021 15:13:09 GMT -5
I think I'm going to sit out on this one, burnt out with all of my other projects and school at the moment.
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Post by cd06 on Sept 26, 2021 8:43:21 GMT -5
sebk - I've told you already, but great little publish from you sir. You're a machine when it comes to getting your design league courses out but there ain't no drop in quality! Well done and good luck buddy.
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Post by richnufc99 on Sept 26, 2021 10:57:44 GMT -5
The 2nd green on Maxwell's long lost gem...  |
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Post by sebk on Sept 26, 2021 15:07:17 GMT -5
sebk - I've told you already, but great little publish from you sir. You're a machine when it comes to getting your design league courses out but there ain't no drop in quality! Well done and good luck buddy. I appreciate it, Charlie! Thank you! Don’t go selling yourself short on your gem either, top notch stuff coming out of you recently! Keep it up 👍🏽 |
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Post by Firethorn15 on Sept 27, 2021 6:13:54 GMT -5
Stream. The building process is surprisingly quite satisfying. Would recommend.  |
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Post by trailducker on Sept 27, 2021 19:03:35 GMT -5
Checking in from Maxwell Land  Hole 3 my long Par 3   |
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Post by cambuehl on Sept 27, 2021 21:34:50 GMT -5
 William Flynn project underway, AKA "How much can you cant a fairway before it plays ridiculous? Ok, let's cant it that much and then a little bit more"
This is my first poke at any kind of contest. I've enjoyed learning a ton about an architect I knew almost nothing about
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Post by cg444 on Sept 28, 2021 1:58:57 GMT -5
William Flynn is fascinating, basically he'd never heard of a fuzzy brush..
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Post by virtualgolfer65 on Sept 28, 2021 14:03:00 GMT -5
Change of plans, as I wanted to tackle the architect “I’d never heard of”, despite having watched a lot of golf played on Congressional and Bethpage Black.
Finding a lot more info than I first thought I would.
Plot down and laying down holes. Sculpting next then planting. Planning for this to be a full 18 when done.
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Post by virtualgolfer65 on Sept 29, 2021 12:38:04 GMT -5
For those who need inspiration, consider searching on the designers name in the TGC forums and completed courses sections. Also, search for some of their course names and bonus for any that are lidar. Playing them in the game might inspire you with the design philosophy and layout. I've done this with Devereux Emmet and found digitalbunny lidar of St. Georges, as well as others in this search tgctours.proboards.com/board/9/completed-courses?q=Devereux+I've been playing through them and have some great ideas on the design philosophy and holes for my entry. |
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Post by tpetro on Sept 30, 2021 11:11:30 GMT -5
Not much love for Emmett around here. If I wasn't a contest director (yes Matty) I would have taken Emmett in a heartbeat. Ketchaboneck (my CC) has a lot of Emmett influence if you're looking for some in-game inspiration. I know TannerBronson loves Emmett's work too and his influence is all over Dylan's catalogue. The reason Emmett isn't as well-known as he should be is that, unfortunately, most of his courses fell on hard times or into the hands of bad ownership. Courses like Engineers and Seawane both have had multiple ownership turnovers in the past few decades and though the courses should be two of his most recognizable layouts, they are buried in the pile of Long Island golf. Emmett courses have also never received the same push of faithful restoration as Raynors or Tillinghasts or MacKenzies have. Wee Burn, an Emmett layout on a spectacular rolling plot of land in Connecticut, has undergone several unfaithful Tom Fazio restorations. Bonnie Briar, a spectacularly fun layout laid amongst rock outcroppings in Westchester, has suffered at the hands of a former Nicklaus associate. Luckily, some of his gems are beginning to shine. Garden City Golf Club   Congressional Country Club - Blue   Rockville Links Club   |
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Post by trailducker on Sept 30, 2021 12:26:36 GMT -5
Not much love for Emmett around here. If I wasn't a contest director (yes Matty) I would have taken Emmett in a heartbeat. Ketchaboneck (my CC) has a lot of Emmett influence if you're looking for some in-game inspiration. I know TannerBronson loves Emmett's work too and his influence is all over Dylan's catalogue. The reason Emmett isn't as well-known as he should be is that, unfortunately, most of his courses fell on hard times or into the hands of bad ownership. Courses like Engineers and Seawane both have had multiple ownership turnovers in the past few decades and though the courses should be two of his most recognizable layouts, they are buried in the pile of Long Island golf. Emmett courses have also never received the same push of faithful restoration as Raynors or Tillinghasts or MacKenzies have. Wee Burn, an Emmett layout on a spectacular rolling plot of land in Connecticut, has undergone several unfaithful Tom Fazio restorations. Bonnie Briar, a spectacularly fun layout laid amongst rock outcroppings in Westchester, has suffered at the hands of a former Nicklaus associate. Luckily, some of his gems are beginning to shine. Garden City Golf Club Congressional Country Club - Blue Rockville Links Club Petro I DEFINTELY see the influence on you CC COurse. Brings more perspective seeing these images to what you designed, whcih is cool! Yeah when I did my first dive through the names Emmet unfortunately was what I found the least information on. With any deep dive I bet I could have found more. But I was looking for a tangeable feature to the architect I would pick and he has the most vague. Eventually I honned in on Flynn or Maxwell and chose Maxwell. If anybody tackes Emett I will eagerly see what they come up with. |
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Post by virtualgolfer65 on Sept 30, 2021 14:57:17 GMT -5
Not much love for Emmett around here. If I wasn't a contest director (yes Matty) I would have taken Emmett in a heartbeat. Ketchaboneck (my CC) has a lot of Emmett influence if you're looking for some in-game inspiration. I know TannerBronson loves Emmett's work too and his influence is all over Dylan's catalogue. The reason Emmett isn't as well-known as he should be is that, unfortunately, most of his courses fell on hard times or into the hands of bad ownership. Courses like Engineers and Seawane both have had multiple ownership turnovers in the past few decades and though the courses should be two of his most recognizable layouts, they are buried in the pile of Long Island golf. Emmett courses have also never received the same push of faithful restoration as Raynors or Tillinghasts or MacKenzies have. Wee Burn, an Emmett layout on a spectacular rolling plot of land in Connecticut, has undergone several unfaithful Tom Fazio restorations. Bonnie Briar, a spectacularly fun layout laid amongst rock outcroppings in Westchester, has suffered at the hands of a former Nicklaus associate. Luckily, some of his gems are beginning to shine. Garden City Golf Club Congressional Country Club - Blue Rockville Links Club Petro I DEFINTELY see the influence on you CC COurse. Brings more perspective seeing these images to what you designed, whcih is cool! Yeah when I did my first dive through the names Emmet unfortunately was what I found the least information on. With any deep dive I bet I could have found more. But I was looking for a tangeable feature to the architect I would pick and he has the most vague. Eventually I honned in on Flynn or Maxwell and chose Maxwell. If anybody tackes Emett I will eagerly see what they come up with. I decided to tackle Emmet, for the reason that most were going for the others. I found the following that gives a good overview of his philosophy: "When it came to bold landforms, Emmet practiced the credo ‘integrate, don’t decimate’. So in Emmet’s fairways, sight lines are often diminished because natural contours rule the day. In addition, greens often flow from their natural grade so that front-to-back tilt fools the unwary. Garden City is a prime example where ground movement was embraced by Emmet. Although he was the architect of courses in Cuba and Bermuda, Emmet’s geographic reach was mostly within a 150-mile radius of Wall Street. The architect’s surviving work is located primarily in three regions: Long Island, Westchester County and upstate New York. Despite his close connection with Macdonald, Emmet rejected his mentor’s philosophy of template holes. “There were several hundred acres of ideal terrain, so a concerted effort was made to get eighteen ideal holes of various make up,” he wrote of one project in Golf Illustrated in 1921. “We firmly chose to avoid classic holes like Redan and Eden because they have been overdone in the United States. There are probably over twenty Redan holes south of the Canadian border.” He was, again in stark comparison to Macdonald, a firm naturalist. Of his project in Saratoga Springs, New York, he wrote: “The owners and club legislators are now allowing architects to have putting greens conform to nature as much as possible and not built up artificially. The result is that greens at McGregor are more in conformity with the ground, and in concert with the more haphazard shape intended by nature.” Emmet was brilliant with hazardous materials and concepts. He never went out of his way to dig ponds or lakes to bring water into play, yet he used natural brooks with great sensitivity at many courses including Schuyler Meadows near Albany, as well as at Wee Burn." It is truly sad the number of courses that have been removed because of development and redesigns. It's fortunate that Congressional and Bethpage Black still exist, but hopefully there can be a new day of returning Emmet's courses to their original state. I will post pictures as I continue to progress. |
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Post by mjm7012 on Sept 30, 2021 21:39:09 GMT -5
Not much love for Emmett around here. If I wasn't a contest director (yes Matty) I would have taken Emmett in a heartbeat. Ketchaboneck (my CC) has a lot of Emmett influence if you're looking for some in-game inspiration. I know TannerBronson loves Emmett's work too and his influence is all over Dylan's catalogue. The reason Emmett isn't as well-known as he should be is that, unfortunately, most of his courses fell on hard times or into the hands of bad ownership. Courses like Engineers and Seawane both have had multiple ownership turnovers in the past few decades and though the courses should be two of his most recognizable layouts, they are buried in the pile of Long Island golf. Emmett courses have also never received the same push of faithful restoration as Raynors or Tillinghasts or MacKenzies have. Wee Burn, an Emmett layout on a spectacular rolling plot of land in Connecticut, has undergone several unfaithful Tom Fazio restorations. Bonnie Briar, a spectacularly fun layout laid amongst rock outcroppings in Westchester, has suffered at the hands of a former Nicklaus associate. Luckily, some of his gems are beginning to shine. Garden City Golf Club Congressional Country Club - Blue Rockville Links Club Love the input. Had been working on an Emmet project simply for the same reason as virtual golfer, thought it would be under-utilized (although I guess not virtualgolfer65 lol). Kept getting drawn back to Maxwell, having lived in the central US where "Maxwell" courses are more well represented. In the end felt Emmet was a style I had never considered so might be good to tackle. Appreciate you highlighting some additional references. I think the hardest thing about doing Emmet is making sure I am imitating the style of Emmet and not the style of the numerous architects that have unfortunately rubbed off their own ideas as opposed to restoring and updating Emmet's style. Will see how it all shakes out. Looking forward to this one. |
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Post by mvpmanatee on Oct 1, 2021 7:24:16 GMT -5
Rockville Links! What a great shoutout. I played it with a guy who worked on the resto job last year (who willingly talked about golf architecture for 5 hours 😍) and I thought it was an EXTREMELY underrated gem!
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