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Post by waldini1985 on Apr 22, 2021 17:42:09 GMT -5
The only guys who welcome this is the ps4 players, I don't play fasts to get an Advantage, I play fasts because it's near impossible for me to hit perfects, this change has killed almost all enjoyment in the game, I totally get rewarding the perfect players, maybe give them more yardage, but this has been a double whammy for the likes of me with punishment of distance,
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noosh
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 91
Tour: Platinum
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Post by noosh on Apr 22, 2021 17:44:02 GMT -5
However, the fact that tournaments are 100% unfair depending on when you played this week is an absolute joke. Well that's a bit harsh, don't you think? HB has never timed its updates according to the TGCT schedule. So, what should TGCT have done according to you? I mean, yes, this week's tournament is a little biased due to the update, but firstly, it's just this one week, and secondly, it doesn't even affect demo marks. Cheers, Kevin I don't know but considering the timing of the post, it seems that there was a heads up given to TGCT. (it could have been 24 hours for all I know). It's just that any competition has to be played with fair rules and this is not the case. The players that have played before today were playing a completely different game to the ones after. If there was any collaboration, a heads up before the update and it rolling out server side on Monday - with TGCT delaying the start of the week's event to Monday instead of Sunday (assuming they couldn't do it during the weekend), would have been wayyyyyyyy better. Anyways, personally, it will massively affect my enjoyment as progressing through the ranks and culminating into contending for Plat / TST tittles was super enjoyable and it feels like just getting knocked out. I understand the change, but if I stop playing the game soon, this will have a big part in it - on top of the Summer arriving and being able to enjoy IRL golf + pints in the pub here in the UK I welcome the change, I do, but after playing tonight, it's still hard to swallow! Competing somewhere in CC will definitely be different than trying to win this week's plat tournament! Edit : I also agree with the post above. The red fasts had an "equaliser" effect between platforms. Yes it made it weird and wonky, but PS4 easier tempo. Maybe the move for PC players is to copy mouse players like Polak, changing DPI for every shot etc...
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Post by moneyman273 on Apr 22, 2021 17:52:59 GMT -5
Perhaps not everyone has the ability or resources to own multiple consoles, as well as to buy the same game twice? I mean, if you look at the leaderboards, you'd see that the majority of players in the higher tours were on PS consoles. That, plus the long list of discussions that have happened for years sure make it seem like there is a disparity in the swing between systems. I play on PS4 and haven't played on an Xbox system either, but I can't imagine the solve for this issue is simply buy the other console...that's a bit ridiculous IMO. No question I think all would prefer gameplay to be identical across all platforms. All I’m saying is that it’s not in the hands of the folks who run this site, so it just comes off as an excuse or complaining when there are options for folks to switch to the easiest console. Yes, I’m aware there is cost associated with that. But if someone really cared that much about an equal playing field they could do it. Of course it's not in the hands of the folks who run this site. I never said it was. I just said, welcome back PS4 Tour because the data has shown that there is a CLEAR advantage on the PS4 side to achieve far more perfect swings, than on the Xbox side. Having the red fast gave Xbox players a fighting chance against PS4 players. No more though. This is an HB/2K issue, and neither of them have gotten much right over the years regarding platform equality and tempo. I'm not going to even acknowledge you saying, buy a PS4/5 then if you want to compete.
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whiz03
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 100
TGCT Name: Glenn True
Tour: Challenge Circuit
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Post by whiz03 on Apr 22, 2021 18:01:01 GMT -5
I wonder if we need to re-calibrate our swing since it's a server side patch?
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Post by moneyman273 on Apr 22, 2021 18:03:13 GMT -5
The only guys who welcome this is the ps4 players, I don't play fasts to get an Advantage, I play fasts because it's near impossible for me to hit perfects, this change has killed almost all enjoyment in the game, I totally get rewarding the perfect players, maybe give them more yardage, but this has been a double whammy for the likes of me with punishment of distance, Yes, this Paul. I'm 5%-10% perfect tempo, on my best rounds. I've tried everything. It's console disparity and it absolutely sucks.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 22, 2021 18:05:17 GMT -5
Not as accurately as before. The way the distance is calculated has changed drastically too. You now have to hit the exact spot on the fast to get a consistent distance where as prior to the change there was a large area (as large as all the grey/white area combined, if not larger) that would produce a similar distance. Ah yeah, I know. Was just semi-joking after I managed to do exactly what I said on one shot. Btw, I noticed you scored poorly at Strathlorne. Were you previewing the swing changes there or just a bad week??! R1 and R2 were on old swing, R3 was on the new one (shot -4). I'm just not very good right now lol.
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 22, 2021 18:09:04 GMT -5
The only reason there was an influx (not many, but certainly a few more) of Xbox players inching their way into the top 20 on Tours was due to the red fast. It was/is the only way MANY Xbox players can remotely compete. Welcome back, PS4/5 Tour. Have you used a PS5 controller? It’s not the same.
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Post by matthew_titots on Apr 22, 2021 18:35:30 GMT -5
No question I think all would prefer gameplay to be identical across all platforms. All I’m saying is that it’s not in the hands of the folks who run this site, so it just comes off as an excuse or complaining when there are options for folks to switch to the easiest console. Yes, I’m aware there is cost associated with that. But if someone really cared that much about an equal playing field they could do it. Of course it's not in the hands of the folks who run this site. I never said it was. I just said, welcome back PS4 Tour because the data has shown that there is a CLEAR advantage on the PS4 side to achieve far more perfect swings, than on the Xbox side. Having the red fast gave Xbox players a fighting chance against PS4 players. No more though. This is an HB/2K issue, and neither of them have gotten much right over the years regarding platform equality and tempo. I'm not going to even acknowledge you saying, buy a PS4/5 then if you want to compete. I think all would be in favor of equal gameplay on all consoles. Since that seems to be a pipe dream, not sure what other option would be available for those who feel cheated on Xbox. It seems many Xbox guys would rather keep playing at a disadvantage and pointing it out quite frequently. That’s fine too, but goes back to the original point I was trying to make.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 22, 2021 18:58:16 GMT -5
Yay...I think...for now
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Post by PollingPoints on Apr 22, 2021 19:04:38 GMT -5
The only reason there was an influx (not many, but certainly a few more) of Xbox players inching their way into the top 20 on Tours was due to the red fast. It was/is the only way MANY Xbox players can remotely compete. Welcome back, PS4/5 Tour. Have you used a PS5 controller? It’s not the same. Coming from Xbox to PS5 it's wayyyy easier...Can't imagine how easy it is on the PS4 lmao
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Post by zooby97 on Apr 22, 2021 19:08:09 GMT -5
I suspect winning scores on Plat and Elite will only be in the -30's Now. The WGR #1 player plays for perfects so I don't see him being affected by this much. I don't expect winning scores to change on the top tours too much. But he did red fast his drives like most of have been doing...fairways are the key for the approach shots with shot shaping.
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Post by sroel908 on Apr 22, 2021 19:19:05 GMT -5
Of course it's not in the hands of the folks who run this site. I never said it was. I just said, welcome back PS4 Tour because the data has shown that there is a CLEAR advantage on the PS4 side to achieve far more perfect swings, than on the Xbox side. Having the red fast gave Xbox players a fighting chance against PS4 players. No more though. This is an HB/2K issue, and neither of them have gotten much right over the years regarding platform equality and tempo. I'm not going to even acknowledge you saying, buy a PS4/5 then if you want to compete. I think all would be in favor of equal gameplay on all consoles. Since that seems to be a pipe dream, not sure what other option would be available for those who feel cheated on Xbox. It seems many Xbox guys would rather keep playing at a disadvantage and pointing it out quite frequently. That’s fine too, but goes back to the original point I was trying to make. If I owned an Xbox, bought this game, and saw that the other users on different systems are able to achieve better tempo and lower scores, I wouldn't really be happy that my "only" option to be more competitive would be to give HB/2K more money, plus have to buy a new console. That's kind of crazy. And people are going to complain, no matter what. This is the internet, after all! But the complaints of Xbox users are quite justified here. And saying buy a new console to "git gud" is not a reasonable request in my eyes. Anyway, back to red fasts! I'm still in shock that they released this drastic of a swing mechanic change eight months after release!!! I couldn't imagine a game like MLB The Show completely changing the pitching or batting mechanics of their game in December!
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Post by Demonondalinks on Apr 22, 2021 19:29:23 GMT -5
The only guys who welcome this is the ps4 players, I don't play fasts to get an Advantage, I play fasts because it's near impossible for me to hit perfects, this change has killed almost all enjoyment in the game, I totally get rewarding the perfect players, maybe give them more yardage, but this has been a double whammy for the likes of me with punishment of distance, I just played 2 rounds and thought it was easier to get a perfect. So give it a few weeks and maybe you'll get it down.
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 22, 2021 19:32:10 GMT -5
Have you used a PS5 controller? It’s not the same. Coming from Xbox to PS5 it's wayyyy easier...Can't imagine how easy it is on the PS4 lmao Yea I understand the Xbox peeps had a world of issues. Are they any better these days?
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Post by nevadaballin on Apr 22, 2021 19:33:40 GMT -5
The only guys who welcome this is the ps4 players, I don't play fasts to get an Advantage, I play fasts because it's near impossible for me to hit perfects, this change has killed almost all enjoyment in the game, I totally get rewarding the perfect players, maybe give them more yardage, but this has been a double whammy for the likes of me with punishment of distance, I just played 2 rounds and thought it was easier to get a perfect. So give it a few weeks and maybe you'll get it down. I expect HB will be silently tweaking the fix as the next few weeks give them more data. The red slows may get some more nerfing.
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