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Post by BTM-DAIRYMAN on Sept 1, 2021 17:46:50 GMT -5
The more I see from EA the less I am interested. Funny.Exactly how I feel about this crap game from 2 k sports i play the game sparingly but your right about this game , just hoping ea doesn't put out a crappy game this time around
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Post by spikel on Sept 3, 2021 7:44:32 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 3, 2021 9:26:46 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too. These are all very valid points. EA has a reputation that they have definitely earned over the years. However, golf is one area in which they seemed to actually have a firm grasp on the sport, and provided a game that appealed to casual and sim players. TW 14 had the extremely challenging swing at the highest difficulties which required you to swing diagonally to hit proper shots. It was pretty far from being designed for casual players. And I never recall getting bored with any TW game - heck, I still play TW 14 on Xbox 360...now, 'Rory', that's another story altogether! The area in which I know EA will focus and can produce something better than 2K/HB in is the career mode side of things. EA has all the majors. They're including the US Amateur. They are incorporating ShotLink and TrackMan data to give clubs and golfers realistic attributes and stats. Meanwhile, 2K can't get scoring and leaderboards correct or keep tourney results from randomizing every time you log in... That's why I am excited that there are two games on the way...2K will offer a deep and engaging course creator, and EA will provide a proper PGA Tour career mode. Best of both worlds, IMO.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 3, 2021 9:48:22 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too. I do wonder what settings you played the EA games on if you found it to be too arcadey. TW14 certainly had many more sim aspects than the HB games which could be enabled in the options. And I say that as someone who mostly plays and enjoys True Sim Tour on 2k21. Sure you could play it on easy but likewise the HB games have very beginner-friendly settings too. Seems a bit daft to compare the easiest settings on one game to the harder settings on another.
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Post by bubbsboy100. on Sept 3, 2021 9:58:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately next gen so no good for me. Cant get a PS5 even if I wanted one.
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 3, 2021 10:16:30 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too. I do wonder what settings you played the EA games on if you found it to be too arcadey. TW14 certainly had many more sim aspects than the HB games which could be enabled in the options. And I say that as someone who mostly plays and enjoys True Sim Tour on 2k21. Sure you could play it on easy but likewise the HB games have very beginner-friendly settings too. Seems a bit daft to compare the easiest settings on one game to the harder settings on another. The short game on Tiger Woods 14 just stinks I am sorry but the putting is crap. I have it now on my PS3 so I am playing it now . I really do think people overate that game too much. To be honest when the game came out I played it with the move and it was fun to play with a mate. It is not great with a controller, Tbh I hated playing with a push back forward movement with a controller till TGC 2 and didn't enjoy TGC1's swing mechanic. I do tend to buy and test most golf games I even have The Golf Club VR which is a great laugh playing only with a friend. I really loved Tiger 08 on PC and the following game just didn't do it for me. Tiger 08 I loved the online leagues and community, didn't hurt that it all had 100's of fantastic courses
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 3, 2021 10:21:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's totally fair Hammersman. I mean it's tough to go back to a seven or eight year old game with 2021 eyes. And yeah, fwiw I agree the putting on 2k21 is much much better. In fact it's probably my favourite part of the game.
I just don't see the EA=Arcade,HB=Sim thing that's often mentioned having any real justification. Like you I've played and enjoyed pretty much every golf game since the early nineties and I wouldn't say 2k21 is any more of a sim than any others personally. Putting aside perhaps...
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 3, 2021 10:34:18 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's totally fair Hammersman. I mean it's tough to go back to a seven or eight year old game with 2021 eyes. And yeah, fwiw I agree the putting on 2k21 is much much better. In fact it's probably my favourite part of the game. I just don't see the EA=Arcade,HB=Sim thing that's often mentioned having any real justification. Like you I've played and enjoyed pretty much every golf game since the early nineties and I wouldn't say 2k21 is any more of a sim than any others personally. Putting aside perhaps... I don't think TW14 is arcade but personally don't like the swing mechanic. I have always been a hardcore 3 click player in golf games. I do think HB have a good timing mechanic unfortunately it just doesn't play great with the Xbox or Nintendo Switch. I also think it plays much better with a PS controller or a mouse. I have tried Pro difficulty lately as it seems it is the level a lot of my society like to play but it just seems to be about distance control and putting. Absolutely zero challenge with the driver on that level. I love HB's putting mechanic (no grid), it is the main reason I played TGC1 for so long with the great variety of courses. I put in 500 hours in that game even though the swing mechanic lacked any challenge. Going back to to EA's new game it is hard to get excited about 11 announced courses so far.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 3, 2021 10:42:58 GMT -5
Oh yeah that's totally fair Hammersman. I mean it's tough to go back to a seven or eight year old game with 2021 eyes. And yeah, fwiw I agree the putting on 2k21 is much much better. In fact it's probably my favourite part of the game. I just don't see the EA=Arcade,HB=Sim thing that's often mentioned having any real justification. Like you I've played and enjoyed pretty much every golf game since the early nineties and I wouldn't say 2k21 is any more of a sim than any others personally. Putting aside perhaps... I don't think TW14 is arcade but personally don't like the swing mechanic. I have always been a hardcore 3 click player in golf games. I do think HB have a good timing mechanic unfortunately it just doesn't play great with the Xbox or Nintendo Switch. I also think it plays much better with a PS controller or a mouse. I have tried Pro difficulty lately as it seems it is the level a lot of my society like to play but it just seems to be about distance control and putting. Absolutely zero challenge with the driver on that level. I love HB's putting mechanic (no grid), it is the main reason I played TGC1 for so long with the great variety of courses. I put in 500 hours in that game even though the swing mechanic lacked any challenge. Going back to to EA's new game it is hard to get excited about 11 announced courses so far. Yeah you've probably hit the nail on the head there. On Xbox we basically have two shots on Master: perfect and 35yards short and straight - obviously aside from short irons with massive forgiveness - and that probably sours my perception of how sim-like the long game is i.e not at all. I totally agree with you that the gridless putting is outstanding. And don't get me wrong I really enjoy competing on Elite and TST. Not going overboard on 2k21, it's still a very enjoyable game on Xbox even with the issues. Yeah - so far - the number of courses remains a worry but hopefully that will change prior to release and they'll announce more. Based on hope rather than expectation lol But yeah, 99% sure I'll buy and enjoy both new games a lot. Just wasn't sure at all about the arcade/ sim distinction.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 3, 2021 10:45:36 GMT -5
Going back to to EA's new game it is hard to get excited about 11 announced courses so far. I guess it all comes down to what you want out of those courses. Yes, 11 (so far) is not many. Sure, there are thousands of courses in 2K21. Hundreds are very well done and worthy of playing. But my issue is that I cannot use any of these user created courses in career mode. I am stuck with the HB official courses and the ones made by users in previous versions of the series which don't translate well to the new game. I cannot play on any real major host course in 2K21's career mode either, and that's a huge issue for me. So while there are only 11 announced courses for EA's game, the fact that 8 of the 11 are major championship hosts (including an LPGA major) is pretty great - and that list includes courses outside of the US as well.
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 3, 2021 10:58:24 GMT -5
Going back to to EA's new game it is hard to get excited about 11 announced courses so far. I guess it all comes down to what you want out of those courses. Yes, 11 (so far) is not many. Sure, there are thousands of courses in 2K21. Hundreds are very well done and worthy of playing. But my issue is that I cannot use any of these user created courses in career mode. I am stuck with the HB official courses and the ones made by users in previous versions of the series which don't translate well to the new game. I cannot play on any real major host course in 2K21's career mode either, and that's a huge issue for me. So while there are only 11 announced courses for EA's game, the fact that 8 of the 11 are major championship hosts (including an LPGA major) is pretty great - and that list includes courses outside of the US as well. But a community course designer brings a community golf game. I didn't even play the EA console games online. The hundreds of hours that people play this game here and on other societies, believe 20 to 30 courses will get tedious very soon, now matter how showy the presentation is. HB has reminded me how much I love playing user design ed course and there are alot of really top courses to play even if you just play RCR's. Also the variety of courses are mainly US PGA courses which do actually seem a bit samey to me anyway. I can't see how EA's 20 odd courses are going to be more diverse than the courses on 2K21.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 3, 2021 11:10:57 GMT -5
I guess it all comes down to what you want out of those courses. Yes, 11 (so far) is not many. Sure, there are thousands of courses in 2K21. Hundreds are very well done and worthy of playing. But my issue is that I cannot use any of these user created courses in career mode. I am stuck with the HB official courses and the ones made by users in previous versions of the series which don't translate well to the new game. I cannot play on any real major host course in 2K21's career mode either, and that's a huge issue for me. So while there are only 11 announced courses for EA's game, the fact that 8 of the 11 are major championship hosts (including an LPGA major) is pretty great - and that list includes courses outside of the US as well. But a community course designer brings a community golf game. I didn't even play the EA console games online. The hundreds of hours that people play this game here and on other societies, believe 20 to 30 courses will get tedious very soon, now matter how showy the presentation is. HB has reminded me how much I love playing user design ed course and there are alot of really top courses to play even if you just play RCR's. Also the variety of courses are mainly US PGA courses which do actually seem a bit samey to me anyway. I can't see how EA's 20 odd courses are going to be more diverse than the courses on 2K21. Again, I agree that the thousands of created courses in 2K21 offer variety. But I am an offline career mode player first and foremost. I can't cut it on TGC Tours...I'm just not as good as those who can shoot consistently in the 50s and low 60s on Master swing. And other societies don't appeal to me that much I guess. Sure, local rounds are fun, too, but those get boring to me after a while as well. I want to go out and win majors, play in real life events on real life courses, and play against the pros. This is a PGA Tour licensed game, it should have a complete and working PGA Tour mode to replicate the real tour. 2K21 fails miserably in this aspect. The main issue is that they have glitched and randomizing career leaderboards which have been discussed a lot, but will never be fixed apparently. So not only does 2K21 have zero majors in career mode, it also can't accurately show winners of any of the events. It's a busted game mode, just like Madden's Franchise. See, both these companies seem to have problems with their games, it's not just a "one or the other" thing... When the courses I get to play in career mode include Augusta, Pebble Beach, St Andrews, I don't think I'll get bored, to be honest. I really can only play the 2K21 versions of these courses in local rounds, and that's not all that appealing to me since there's nothing at stake, no opponents, no "prize". At the end of the day, we will have two golf games that will try to capture the sport as best as they can. One will have an awesome course creator and a vast repository of courses, and other other will have licensed versions of major championships, as well as some of the world's best tracks in a (hopefully) robust career mode. How great is that?
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Post by crunchshark on Sept 3, 2021 13:58:14 GMT -5
I really dont see how people can seriously say 2k21 is a bad game.Guess it depends on the individuals perspective.I was born 1970 and the late 70's bat and ball massive pixel game was amazing at the time lol.Then space invaders,Defender and pacman etc . I'd never have thought they could make a game so realistic in my lifetime.I think we should be grateful we have been able to experience all these PS4/5 games but thats just my opinion. At this point they probably have the power to make the greatest golf game ever but they must maximize profit.So they'll keep drip feeding a slightly better game each year. I'm looking forward to these golf games in the next few years if i'm lucky enough to keep healthy. i'm grateful to be around to see how far game technology has gotten.Thats just how i see things.
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Post by hammers1man on Sept 3, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
I really dont see how people cant seriously say 2k21 is a bad game.Guess it depends on the individuals perspective.I was born 1970 and the late 70's bat and ball massive pixel game was amazing at the time lol.Then space invaders,Defender and pacman etc . I'd never have thought they could make a game so realistic in my lifetime.I think we should be grateful we have been able to experience all these PS4/5 games but thats just my opinion. At this point they probably have the power to make the greatest golf game ever but they must maximize profit.So they'll keep drip feeding a slightly better game each year. I'm looking forward to these golf games in the next few years if i'm lucky enough to keep healthy. i'm grateful to be around to see how far game technology has gotten.Thats just how i see things. I am sure your first sentence is a typo judging by the rest of your post
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Post by crunchshark on Sept 3, 2021 14:36:42 GMT -5
I really dont see how people cant seriously say 2k21 is a bad game.Guess it depends on the individuals perspective.I was born 1970 and the late 70's bat and ball massive pixel game was amazing at the time lol.Then space invaders,Defender and pacman etc . I'd never have thought they could make a game so realistic in my lifetime.I think we should be grateful we have been able to experience all these PS4/5 games but thats just my opinion. At this point they probably have the power to make the greatest golf game ever but they must maximize profit.So they'll keep drip feeding a slightly better game each year. I'm looking forward to these golf games in the next few years if i'm lucky enough to keep healthy. i'm grateful to be around to see how far game technology has gotten.Thats just how i see things. I am sure your first sentence is a typo judging by the rest of your post Lol cheers.One glass of red and thats me.
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