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Post by zooby97 on Sept 4, 2021 5:20:36 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too. The way the current game plays with the swing change updates is where it should have been from day 1. Sure they could have just left it as it was but they wanted make it more sim. And in reality Master difficulty is where it is harder. The Pro settings is probably the sweet spot for enjoyment of the game. I played Pro settings in societies and it is certainly less frustrating than in Masters. It is harder to screw up your swing on Pro than in Masters. I will certainly get both golf games. I like the competitive side of the TGC Tours. But I’ll play majority of my time wherever TGC Tours is.
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Post by GW_Hope on Sept 4, 2021 15:15:53 GMT -5
HB ruined the game by basing accuracy too far on tempo. It was much more fun back in TGC2 where swinging straight and tempo were balanced at far as affecting accuracy. 2019 and 2k21 pale in fun factor.
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Post by spikel on Sept 6, 2021 18:39:54 GMT -5
I found EA's version of golf to be lacking in any depth and the physics never felt right to me. Given the state of Madden, I have no doubt that this game will be a quick cash grab to capitalize on an easy market given the lack of super arcade AAA titles for very casual golf curious people. I actually really admire that 2K is giving HB Studios a year to develop a real next gen title. I don't trust EA, they're too money hungry and it's never hurt them to put out really crappy licensed sports games every single year. As frustrating as this game can be, I remember all too well how bored I was with the TW games. HB Studios somehow managed to make the best golf sim of all time for me. It's far from perfect, but they actually created a really innovative and challenging swing method. Gotta respect that. The physics are dang good where they're at right now too. I do wonder what settings you played the EA games on if you found it to be too arcadey. TW14 certainly had many more sim aspects than the HB games which could be enabled in the options. And I say that as someone who mostly plays and enjoys True Sim Tour on 2k21. Sure you could play it on easy but likewise the HB games have very beginner-friendly settings too. Seems a bit daft to compare the easiest settings on one game to the harder settings on another. I owned them through 2011 or so, I didn't have a 360/ps3 onward. I own TW 2001-2011 (last couple on Wii o boy) on console and TW 99-2008 on PC. I always thought the physics in the console versions were crud tbh.
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Post by Craig / Hendomedes on Sept 7, 2021 2:21:32 GMT -5
I do wonder what settings you played the EA games on if you found it to be too arcadey. TW14 certainly had many more sim aspects than the HB games which could be enabled in the options. And I say that as someone who mostly plays and enjoys True Sim Tour on 2k21. Sure you could play it on easy but likewise the HB games have very beginner-friendly settings too. Seems a bit daft to compare the easiest settings on one game to the harder settings on another. I owned them through 2011 or so, I didn't have a 360/ps3 onward. I own TW 2001-2011 (last couple on Wii o boy) on console and TW 99-2008 on PC. I always thought the physics in the console versions were crud tbh. That's fair. I had TW14 specifically in mind which back then I thought had excellent ball physics. But as Hammersman said above perhaps if I was to go back and play it now I might not be of the same opinion. Nostalgia and rose-tinted specs can be a powerful thing!
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Post by parbuster1962 on Sept 15, 2021 14:08:44 GMT -5
Accusing EA of being like an Arcade seems a bit odd when we are seeing scores like -20 per round on 2k.
I was not a huge fan of EA Golf but after a 5 year absence I am prepared to ignore the past and see what they have to offer. Hell, 2k has messed up this game could EA be worse?
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 15, 2021 14:13:43 GMT -5
HB ruined the game by basing accuracy too far on tempo. It was much more fun back in TGC2 where swinging straight and tempo were balanced at far as affecting accuracy. 2019 and 2k21 pale in fun factor. TGC 2019 was amazing, even in spite of its broken parts that were never fixed. 2K21 doesn't even measure up in most areas. It was two steps forward, ten steps backward.
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Post by moneyman273 on Sept 15, 2021 14:19:40 GMT -5
Accusing EA of being like an Arcade seems a bit odd when we are seeing scores like -20 per round on 2k. I was not a huge fan of EA Golf but after a 5 year absence I am prepared to ignore the past and see what they have to offer. Hell, 2k has messed up this game could EA be worse? What's going to limit EA is the 15-17 courses (or whatever they offer) when those used to putting their money in HB/2K have nearly an unlimited (many of them quality) choice of courses to play. My personal feeling is, I don't care if EA secured the majors. I want variety and the choice to play a brand new course every day, if I so chose. Now if EA has a course designer, or they BOTH offer course designers (not sure if EA has said no course designer or not) then I'd have to say it boils down to the swing mechanic, graphics etc.
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Post by zooby97 on Sept 16, 2021 18:42:20 GMT -5
HB ruined the game by basing accuracy too far on tempo. It was much more fun back in TGC2 where swinging straight and tempo were balanced at far as affecting accuracy. 2019 and 2k21 pale in fun factor. TGC 2019 was amazing, even in spite of its broken parts that were never fixed. 2K21 doesn't even measure up in most areas. It was two steps forward, ten steps backward. What were the broken parts in the 2019 game?
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Post by BillySastard976 on Sept 17, 2021 5:47:51 GMT -5
HB ruined the game by basing accuracy too far on tempo. It was much more fun back in TGC2 where swinging straight and tempo were balanced at far as affecting accuracy. 2019 and 2k21 pale in fun factor. I absolutely agree. The first game was good, the second game better. 2019 was terrible on Master clubs ( I'm on Xbox ) and the present game little better. The tempo heavy swing is the problem. I'm talking about Xbox play.
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Post by williamwes626 on Sept 17, 2021 11:12:13 GMT -5
The arcade parts of TW games were tapping a button for more power on the swing and tapping for more spin with the ball in the air and how when I went online, 90% of people played on 'easy' level. Most of EA's players wanted no challenge just to bomb it to the green a putt it in from 100 feet. No 'feel' to putting or the short game which many many players agreed on.
I keep reading about 2K21 having poor season mode but the problem with all the old EA games was because they never had enough courses to fill out a season, you always had to play made up custom courses or the same course in numerous tournaments. A second problem with EA season/career mode was that every time you looked at the leaderboard in any of the TW games, it never had a good randomizing of who was on the leaderboard. I remember playing season after season and I never saw the stars of the game win - it would always be some average Joe random PGA player winning. Sometimes, the same weak players would keep showing up high on the leaderboards each week.
In this game, I set my own PGA season with almost every course that they play in real life - only a few are missing - then I use real leaderboards to compare my performance and setting up the conditions. Scores were unrealistic at times as well especially in relation to difficulty level of the course (-24 winner at Bethpage for example). It's been way better than any season I've ever played in EA TW games. I still love 2K21 on Master and I like it on Pro too with these new changes.
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Post by sroel908 on Sept 17, 2021 11:40:29 GMT -5
The arcade parts of TW games were tapping a button for more power on the swing and tapping for more spin with the ball in the air and how when I went online, 90% of people played on 'easy' level. Most of EA's players wanted no challenge just to bomb it to the green a putt it in from 100 feet. No 'feel' to putting or the short game which many many players agreed on. I keep reading about 2K21 having poor season mode but the problem with all the old EA games was because they never had enough courses to fill out a season, you always had to play made up custom courses or the same course in numerous tournaments. A second problem with EA season/career mode was that every time you looked at the leaderboard in any of the TW games, it never had a good randomizing of who was on the leaderboard. I remember playing season after season and I never saw the stars of the game win - it would always be some average Joe random PGA player winning. Sometimes, the same weak players would keep showing up high on the leaderboards each week. In this game, I set my own PGA season with almost every course that they play in real life - only a few are missing - then I use real leaderboards to compare my performance and setting up the conditions. Scores were unrealistic at times as well especially in relation to difficulty level of the course (-24 winner at Bethpage for example). It's been way better than any season I've ever played in EA TW games. I still love 2K21 on Master and I like it on Pro too with these new changes. The problem is that 2K21 career mode has horrible and glitched scoreboards that randomize and change for no reason. You exit from a tourney, and the winner you were initially shown now changes. It's unacceptable and has been acknowledged as an issue, but was never fixed. 2K21 also has the issue where the same golfer wins way too often...I've seen Adam Scott and Justin Thomas win 10+ times in a season. Sure, TW games had more limited courses, but you could at least sub courses in if you didn't have DLC, allowing you to customize your schedule a bit. The schedule in 2K21 doesn't allow any substitutions, so you're stuck playing fictional courses for many events, too, including all majors - which is lame if you're trying to call this a professional golf game IMO. And the fictional courses were built in previous TGC games, so they look dated and don't fit how this game plays. Both TW and 2K21 have their pros and cons, but in my eyes, 2K21 has the worst career mode of any golf game I've played, simply because they can't get leaderboards and scoring correct. That's a major, mode-killing problem, as AI scores and results are what you play against It's a shame (and likely not allowed by the PGA Tour) that we can't use the wide selection of created courses in 2K21 to fill events with actual courses that host events. It's a waste, and is why some folks like me were upset when solo society was removed.
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Post by steamerandy64 on Oct 17, 2021 19:31:09 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts 1) they no longer have Tiger 2) Isn't PGA tour associated with 2k right now? 3) 100% guarantee EA will not have a course creator and even if they did it would be micro transactions out the a hole. 4) Get ready for 5 courses at Launch and lots of DLC There's at least 10 courses at launch. There's all the majors courses from this year and the last, plus a couple from the women's tour.
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Post by zooby97 on Oct 18, 2021 4:24:19 GMT -5
Couple of thoughts 1) they no longer have Tiger 2) Isn't PGA tour associated with 2k right now? 3) 100% guarantee EA will not have a course creator and even if they did it would be micro transactions out the a hole. 4) Get ready for 5 courses at Launch and lots of DLC There's at least 10 courses at launch. There's all the majors courses from this year and the last, plus a couple from the women's tour. What you just said is not going to make me buy their game. I’d only spend money on it because of it being a golf game. I want a lot of courses to play on any given day. I like the societies in 2K, different ways of tweaking the societies and of course you can pick the courses to your liking for that society. And every game no matter who makes that particular game will have flawed designs in the game. And there will be people criticizing both games in every which way. And in the end you will have your EA fan, your 2K fan, your TGC Tour fan, your career mode fan, your course designer fan, your divot derby junkie, your society fan, ect. For me I’ll no doubt have both games and but will always play the TGC TOURS as my first love anyway. So whoever has the TGC tours will make me play that particular game the most anyway. And we are in Oct and I have not heard any new news with EA and their game since their presser back in the spring. I have not heard anything with 2k as well…. But with all of the money all of these companies make with regards to any video game they really need to put some of their profits into making servers better for their customers. Bad servers will always annoy a customer. These companies know when the spikes will happen yet they do nothing. And this goes with any particular video game. I seen many good games on twitch, utube having server meltdowns that ruined people’s streams for that day…But in the end I doubt that particular company cares about servers that much as long as they sold one of their games that adds on to their gross profit.
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Post by stokie1947 on Oct 18, 2021 5:23:30 GMT -5
after the last crap they ditched up i am not getting excited about this one iota
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Post by sroel908 on Oct 19, 2021 15:41:58 GMT -5
And we are in Oct and I have not heard any new news with EA and their game since their presser back in the spring. I have not heard anything with 2k as well…. To be fair, EA has been announcing info about their game a bit more regularly than that. They basically made announcements of the courses they'd have in the upcoming game at the same time various corresponding events were being played in real life. For example, they announced that they'd have St Andrews in the game as the Open Championship was going on - as well as doing the same during all the majors (Kiawah and Southern Hills for the PGA, Torrey Pines and The Country Club for the US Open). They announced they'd have all the courses that host FedExCup Playoff events as the FedExCup Playoffs were being held, announced that the Evian Championship that's part of the LPGA is being included as that event was taking place, etc. They've also said that more info would be coming throughout the fall in terms of pros included in the game, what career mode looks like, various other features - so they haven't been silent since Spring. They've actually announced quite a bit over the summer. And at this point, any info from EA is more than what 2K has offered in relation to their next game, as 2K is more interested in re-releasing DLC and selling the "Baller Edition" of 2K21...
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