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Post by jwtexan on Jul 19, 2021 15:05:14 GMT -5
Eliminated in first round and I interact with judges, contest coordinators, half the design community, and half the volunteers here nearly every day. Is that not kleeek enough? Your forum signature line is simply outstanding.  |
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Post by ddixjr509 on Jul 19, 2021 15:31:33 GMT -5
ugh... fk... I knew I was toast when Canuck mentioned he hadn't played the course yet on the Final 16 reveal. My social game continues to be sh|t. good luck to the Final 10... great job boys! This is the 2nd time now I feel like your course got cut prematurely. Have you considered joining the clique? I hear that automatically gets you an extra round further in each contest. I dont buy into the "clique" theory... this was a strong field- and the remaining courses are all excellent and worthy. I feel like my course go could up H2H with almost all of the remaining courses, but I'm biased. Thankfully, I wasn't a judge so it doesn't really matter what I think. my outgoing observation- To be successful in these contests- You do have to be that much better if you're a lesser known console designer with virtually zero social media presence. Previously, I did inquire about the feasibility of Anonymous submissions- but I guess it's not really possible. Good luck to the Top 10- I've enjoyed them all! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:10:57 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Andre wasn't a judge in the contest, he is the Contest Director, so his knowledge (or lack thereof) wouldn't have anything to do with the results from the judging panel.
I'm not saying David was insinuating that it did, but just to clarify for anybody that would read into that something which didn't exist.
**regarding cliques, yea, we're way beyond that as a community. I happened to really enjoy several KEG, Barbarian, and Greenskeeper courses from this contest that are no longer in the running, so there are no free passes here. I'm hoping that comment was made in jest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 16:18:12 GMT -5
Yep. I'm a member of the DAM that was eliminated in the first round, and a couple DAM members are judges. I didn't get passed the first round because my course wasn't as good as those that did.  |
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Post by b101 on Jul 19, 2021 16:20:00 GMT -5
I’d refute this clique/name designer argument. Tons of counter examples:
Golfwolf’s Lost Preserve being the top course in Dream Team. Has zero social media or streaming presence.
DigitalBunny’s Sussex Downs
My Kaiuma Bay finishing second in WC two years back. I had no presence and had just finished rookie that year.
Grovey winning CC
Sindre placing damn well in every contest
Others in this top ten of this contest
I could go on. The ‘clique’ comment (I know you aren’t the one making it) has always annoyed me because it’s a lazy scapegoat, assuming that others who have put the time in and happen to get to know people are therefore trading on that goodwill and any success is not due to them actually being good. I know how much time and effort I have sunk in because I enjoy this - that is what contributes to any successes I have had, not who you know.
There are also top designers - Digital, RJWils, Grovey etc who are definitely not part of any clique, design purely for themselves and would be in contention in any contest. Are we ignoring them?
Sorry for the rant, but it’s such a lazy argument that needs putting to bed.
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Post by trailducker on Jul 19, 2021 16:33:16 GMT -5
I mean there was only one course by a new designer in this competition with a hole memorialized by the great Gerald Epee on his newest course. Sadly that course didn't make it to the Round of 16 but the designer knows it's just that the genius was lost on the silly judges and not because they weren't in a clique. That being said:  |
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Post by ddixjr509 on Jul 19, 2021 16:37:16 GMT -5
Just to be clear, Andre wasn't a judge in the contest, he is the Contest Director, so his knowledge (or lack thereof) wouldn't have anything to do with the results from the judging panel. I'm not saying David was insinuating that it did, but just to clarify for anybody that would read into that something which didn't exist. Agree Eric- my point was that if Andre had been blown away or if my course had any traction at that Top 16 reveal, he wouldn't of said "I don't really know much about this course". It certainly lowered my expectations. Justifiably so. @ben- I've tried to quickly put the "clique" debate to bed. I didn't make that point, and I don't buy into it... with all the collaborators and groups it's really difficult to keep track who's collaborating with who these days. I have no idea. But certainly being a console designer with no ability to collaborate is a disadvantage on many different levels. |
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Post by Lifeonaboard on Jul 19, 2021 17:15:11 GMT -5
Wow, just to clarify, nothing in my previous post was meant to be taken seriously. I do not think nor have I ever thought that there is/was a clique. It's just one of those things that is fun to joke about, like the time someone accused Andre of stealing his friends course. That was hilarious because it is so blatantly untrue, same as the clique conspiracies, I didn't think there was anyone that actually truly believes it. I'm sorry if my joke was in poor taste. The actual subtext of my post is that I've really enjoyed David's last couple of courses. Please don't read into it any further than that. The judges have been doing a great job with one of the tightest contest fields yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2021 17:44:40 GMT -5
Cool Jaron, all good then man. Clique jokes are pretty funny, but I always worry with so many newer designers coming in that they might think there is some truth to preferential treatment. Believe me, if I could beat mayday_golf83 in a design contest, I'd be the first one to kiss the trophy. It's that whole "beating Mayday in a contest" part that I haven't figured out yet. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Jul 19, 2021 18:02:06 GMT -5
Cool Jaron, all good then man. Clique jokes are pretty funny, but I always worry with so many newer designers coming in that they might think there is some truth to preferential treatment. Believe me, if I could beat mayday_golf83 in a design contest, I'd be the first one to kiss the trophy. It's that whole "beating Mayday in a contest" part that I haven't figured out yet. Does anybody ever really beat Mayday? |
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Post by Q on Jul 19, 2021 19:40:29 GMT -5
I think cottyuk making top 10 dispels it all. He has almost no presence on the designer side of the site and I felt like his course was overlooked for how excellent it was. Even Andre didn't really give it the most glowing review, yet here it is, top 10, and I'm so happy to see his courses recognized
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Jul 19, 2021 21:52:03 GMT -5
Cool Jaron, all good then man. Clique jokes are pretty funny, but I always worry with so many newer designers coming in that they might think there is some truth to preferential treatment. Believe me, if I could beat mayday_golf83 in a design contest, I'd be the first one to kiss the trophy. It's that whole "beating Mayday in a contest" part that I haven't figured out yet. Does anybody ever really beat Mayday? |
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Post by dmviking on Jul 19, 2021 22:41:25 GMT -5
Eliminated in first round and I interact with judges, contest coordinators, half the design community, and half the volunteers here nearly every day. Is that not kleeek enough? You're too kleeek. They want to avoid any suspicion. |
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Jul 20, 2021 0:06:18 GMT -5
Does anybody ever really beat Mayday? You forgot a few. Also, look at Ben in 10th. What a LOSER.   |
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Post by b101 on Jul 20, 2021 0:07:43 GMT -5
You forgot a few. Also, look at Ben in 10th. What a LOSER. Looser* |
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