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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 13:16:37 GMT -5
"Whether you used the scout cam or not is essentially irrelevant. At this point, you're imposing your personal view of how the game should be played onto a blind tee shot rather than actually analysing how it does play. Just because I've loaded up scout cam does not render the comments, or the qualities of that tee shot, null and void. I forgot to reply to this - but no, it is not irrelevant. Using the scout cam makes the shot no longer blind, which was my point that when showcasing blind shots, you can't use the scout cam. This is not my personal view of how the game should be played - but how the scout cam makes no shot blind. This is a bit of a repeat from previous posts, but just to make i clear. No, it does not make comments on the shot null and void, but I think it makes it harder for you. At least I do not understand why you find that shot fun as you said. You do not explain it to me in that video. All I see is that you aim with your scout cam, which makes the tee shot not blind at all.
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Post by trailducker on Feb 6, 2021 13:26:33 GMT -5
Anders wakes up. Stretches. Sips coffee. Thinks “today’s a good day to rehash a dumb argument with Ben”
I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to prove Anders but going around in circles like this is not doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 13:28:11 GMT -5
Personal feelings about blind tee shots are one thing, arguing that this isn't an intimidating tee shot is baffling: Feel free to explain it What should I fear on that tee shot? I can tell you that the only thing I would be fearful of on that tee shot is to avoid hitting too far left. Due to the blind tee shot, I would need to play the hole several times in order to know where to aim, but then again, since the fairway is so wide it is not the hardest tee shot in the world. Can't say I know the required carry, but I would not in any circumstances think that the average golfer would hit off any of the three tees that are there, and that you would need more forward tees for the usual amateur golfer. 474 yard par 4 is too long for the regular amateur.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 13:29:08 GMT -5
Anders wakes up. Stretches. Sips coffee. Thinks “today’s a good day to rehash a dumb argument with Ben” I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to prove Anders but going around in circles like this is not doing it. I like to discuss golf - is that a problem? That you don't agree is fine - and no, I am not trying to prove anything.
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Post by trailducker on Feb 6, 2021 13:32:44 GMT -5
Ben, your next course should 18 holes with all exceptable blind tee shots 😂 I’d play it! And use scout cam doing it with no shame at all! #rebel #thrillseeker #scoutcamdontcare
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 13:33:24 GMT -5
Visual intimidation is a very real thing for pros and amateurs alike. I've seen Webb Simpson sky his tee shot on the first hole of the Ryder Cup through nerves. Did he have anything to fear? No, but the moment got to him. Sometimes, it's more than just 'see shot, hit shot'. And actually, when it's more than that, it's the best form of golf. But that's a tangent and one I won't ever convince you of, for the simple reason that you haven't experienced links golf and also believe firmly in fairness within a sport that was founded on its very unfairness.
Put someone in front of a cavernous bunker and you will see shots you don't otherwise see. It's discussions like this which make it clear you simply haven't ever experienced this and therefore you will not get it. We've been around the houses with this. It's not a shot you'd see on a parkland course and you haven't experienced links golf, nor do you try to understand it.
All of the above is fine, but don't discard it out of hand because it doesn't fit with the narrow experience of golf that you have had.
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Post by trailducker on Feb 6, 2021 13:35:32 GMT -5
Anders wakes up. Stretches. Sips coffee. Thinks “today’s a good day to rehash a dumb argument with Ben” I don’t know what exactly you’re trying to prove Anders but going around in circles like this is not doing it. I like to discuss golf - is that a problem? That you don't agree is fine - and no, I am not trying to prove anything. You’re not discussing. You’re cherry picking items in his discussion and warping them to push your own agenda. A discussion involves you actually interacting with what the other person says you’re not doing that. I’ll butt out. “discussing” with you is like trying to drive in neutral, not getting anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 13:48:38 GMT -5
Visual intimidation is a very real thing for pros and amateurs alike. I've seen Webb Simpson sky his tee shot on the first hole of the Ryder Cup through nerves. Did he have anything to fear? No, but the moment got to him. Sometimes, it's more than just 'see shot, hit shot'. And actually, when it's more than that, it's the best form of golf. But that's a tangent and one I won't ever convince you of, for the simple reason that you haven't experienced links golf and also believe firmly in fairness within a sport that was founded on its very unfairness.Put someone in front of a cavernous bunker and you will see shots you don't otherwise see. It's discussions like this which make it clear you simply haven't ever experienced this and therefore you will not get it. We've been around the houses with this. It's not a shot you'd see on a parkland course and you haven't experienced links golf, nor do you try to understand it. All of the above is fine, but don't discard it out of hand because it doesn't fit with the narrow experience of golf that you have had. I would be careful in claiming what others have experienced or not.
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 13:52:53 GMT -5
Visual intimidation is a very real thing for pros and amateurs alike. I've seen Webb Simpson sky his tee shot on the first hole of the Ryder Cup through nerves. Did he have anything to fear? No, but the moment got to him. Sometimes, it's more than just 'see shot, hit shot'. And actually, when it's more than that, it's the best form of golf. But that's a tangent and one I won't ever convince you of, for the simple reason that you haven't experienced links golf and also believe firmly in fairness within a sport that was founded on its very unfairness.Put someone in front of a cavernous bunker and you will see shots you don't otherwise see. It's discussions like this which make it clear you simply haven't ever experienced this and therefore you will not get it. We've been around the houses with this. It's not a shot you'd see on a parkland course and you haven't experienced links golf, nor do you try to understand it. All of the above is fine, but don't discard it out of hand because it doesn't fit with the narrow experience of golf that you have had. I would be careful in claiming what others have experienced or not. Fair. Although I am pretty sure earlier in the thread we established that you have not played much, if indeed any links golf. Certainly, if you did, you have not understood blindness. I'm done with this for now. Anders, not that I haven't enjoyed it, but I can't waste all night going round in circles explaining the same points when I get limited time to enjoy the game. You don't get it and that's fine, it's your opinion. My personal opinion is that blindness can be of virtue and that the image posted is indeed intimidating to a wide variety of golfers, virtual or not. If you want to play the 'in real life' card, then that is certainly an intimidating image - many amateurs would quake at topping the ball or not clearing it and experience a sizeable amount of anticipation when walking to see where their ball was. Conversely, if you want to go down the 'it's a video game' approach, then I don't get the critique of players using scout cam.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 14:11:04 GMT -5
I would be careful in claiming what others have experienced or not. Fair. Although I am pretty sure earlier in the thread we established that you have not played much, if indeed any links golf. Certainly, if you did, you have not understood blindness. What you and others assume (and thus "establish") is nothing I like to comment, and thus ignore - but it gets to a point where you need to address it. Yes, we have exhausted the discussion, because we simply do not agree on this and that is totaly fine. It is ofcourse totaly fine that you find blind tee shots (or other shots for that matter) thrilling and exciting, or intimidating for that matter. As far as my experience with all those I have played with, we have different fears in golf, but one thing is a common thing - and that is fear of water We also do not share the anticipation feeling, and that is fine (and that is true for the majority I have played golf with). I - and all players I've played with - do not like blind tee shots, and certainly not blind approaches from a good lie in the fairway (it has become quite alot of golfers over the years).
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 14:16:24 GMT -5
Fair. Although I am pretty sure earlier in the thread we established that you have not played much, if indeed any links golf. Certainly, if you did, you have not understood blindness. What you and others assume (and thus "establish") is nothing I like to comment, and thus ignore - but it gets to a point where you need to address it. Yes, we have exhausted the discussion, because we simply do not agree on this and that is totaly fine. It is ofcourse totaly fine that you find blind tee shots (or other shots for that matter) thrilling and exciting, or intimidating for that matter. As far as my experience with all those I have played with, we have different fears in golf, but one thing is a common thing - and that is fear of water We also do not share the anticipation feeling, and that is fine (and that is true for the majority I have played golf with). I do not - and all players I've played with - like blind tee shots, and certainly not blind approaches from a good lie in the fairway (it has become quite alot of golfers over the years). Whereas I and all players I've played with, on links courses (this point is crucial) where blindness occurs naturally and adds to the holes, do like blind tee shots when done well and are fine with the occasional blind shot from the fairway. I'll reiterate the question you're ignoring: have you played much or any links golf? Because this is a pointless discussion if you haven't. Equally, your comment about a 'good lie in the fairway' would point to another misunderstanding about links golf. There's no such thing as a guaranteed good lie in the fairway on this sort of course.
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Post by Q on Feb 6, 2021 14:23:52 GMT -5
The thing I like about blindness IRL is anticipation, on a lot of holes I wont know where my ball landed until I'm right up to it! walking up to a blind shot to a pin and finding your ball 5 feet from the pin is something special that is not mimicked by any other shot in the game. I love that aspect of it. However, that is not a problem in this game
The thing I like about blindness in this game is more about the variety it applies, I personally love how a blind shot can look, like at lost preserve (look at those immaculate dunes!) and ultimately what makes a golf course memorable is variety, I will not forget that hole regardless of if I agree on its strategic value.
Also I think that video used scout cam because there are "poles" in those dunes for lining up to and b101 was just testing to see if those poles were lined up correctly and didnt mislead (which you can do with the scout cam). He was reviewing the course afterall
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Post by mattyfromcanada on Feb 6, 2021 20:57:59 GMT -5
Just speaking personally here, I'll probably not be taking any architecture advice from someone who felt that the course this game needed more than anything, was Torrey Pines South...
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Feb 6, 2021 21:00:21 GMT -5
We're still doing this?
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Post by cd06 on Feb 7, 2021 4:29:35 GMT -5
On a positive note, it's the first time I've seen my favourite course (Lost Preserve) and one of my least favourite courses (Storm King) pop up in the same thread.
But why are we still doing this?
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