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Post by b101 on Jan 27, 2021 9:03:45 GMT -5
I mean I read the first two pages and jumped straight here You didn't miss much.
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 27, 2021 19:49:54 GMT -5
Not 100% sure which course you're referring to but my query was based on x1 screen shot posted within a thread in the Completed Courses forum. If there are that many blind shots on a course then I guess the question needs to be asked again... how was the course approved? To both yourself and McTrees, I don’t know the course in question, but this is simple: we don’t enter discussions on reviews. Additionally, if you had put time and effort into a course, got it accepted, then showed up to a thread with people slating it, how would you feel? Not saying that's what we're doing here, but worth bearing in mind. The reviewers know what they are doing - there will have been good reason for it being approved. Whilst I don't completely disagree with your comments the slating has, unfortunately, already been done by others in another part of the forum.
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Post by rockfour1 on Feb 5, 2021 10:16:25 GMT -5
Wonder if there are videos explaining what good and a bad blind shots are? That way there won't be the back and forth?
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Post by Q on Feb 5, 2021 21:48:08 GMT -5
Wonder if there are videos explaining what good and a bad blind shots are? That way there won't be the back and forth? I dont feel like I could make a video without using someones course as an example and publically tearing into it, which comes off a bit mean tbh, However here are some questions you can ask yourself when designing 1: If I can't see, is what I CAN see beautiful? 2:If Im partially blind from the landing zone, is there a layup/bailout area that is visible? 3: If i am completely blind, is there some kind of marker that I can line up to like a distant tree or a post? 4: Does this blindness seem natural? is there some natural landform blocking my view like a Dune or does it feel forced? 5: IS the landform that is blinding me obscuring a hazard of somekind? Would I be pissed if I were a real life golfer and I hit a shot right down what I think is the middle of the fairway only to find myself in an obscured centerline bunker? Im personally not a big fan of total blindness unless you're on a dunesy links course and the dunes in front of the tee are just drop dead gorgeous, but partial blind shots are awesome and can be used well to strategic effect
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 10:41:36 GMT -5
I can! Seeing as how I've done both of these playthroughs already, I don't see the harm in posting them for this. You'll notice that, even with the good example, which is pretty exceptional, it's very, very hard to nail a blind tee shot.
The good - Lost Preserve hole 11:
The less good - Storm King hole 12:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 10:49:42 GMT -5
I can! Seeing as how I've done both of these playthroughs already, I don't see the harm in posting them for this. You'll notice that, even with the good example, which is pretty exceptional, it's very, very hard to nail a blind tee shot. I know you don't want to argue with me - but just to make a point; if you are to show blind shots you need to turn off the scout cam and the aim marker - also turn off the flag marker is necessary to get the correct blindness. I get dissy watching these videos the way you constantly wonder off with the scout cam.
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 10:58:38 GMT -5
I can! Seeing as how I've done both of these playthroughs already, I don't see the harm in posting them for this. You'll notice that, even with the good example, which is pretty exceptional, it's very, very hard to nail a blind tee shot. I know you don't want to argue with me - but just to make a point; if you are to show blind shots you need to turn off the scout cam and the aim marker - also turn off the flag marker is necessary to get the correct blindness. I get dissy watching these videos the way you constantly wonder off with the scout cam. 99% of players use the scout cam. If it's a blind tee shot, I'll comment on it as if I'm not using the scout cam, but you don't just stop using it because people playing your course won't either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:02:14 GMT -5
I know you don't want to argue with me - but just to make a point; if you are to show blind shots you need to turn off the scout cam and the aim marker - also turn off the flag marker is necessary to get the correct blindness. I get dissy watching these videos the way you constantly wonder off with the scout cam. 99% of players use the scout cam. If it's a blind tee shot, I'll comment on it as if I'm not using the scout cam, but you don't just stop using it because people playing your course won't either. The scout cam makes the shot no longer blind - which is my point. I do not care what players use or not. (The aim marker, flag marker also contributes to make the hole less blind than it really is).
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 11:05:18 GMT -5
Anders: "I know you don't want to argue with me."
Also Anders: argues
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:06:22 GMT -5
Anders: "I know you don't want to argue with me." Also Anders: argues Yeah, I have no problem in arguing - it is you that have stated that you don't want to argue with me.
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 11:09:30 GMT -5
Anders: "I know you don't want to argue with me." Also Anders: argues Yeah, I have no problem in arguing - it is you that have stated that you don't want to argue with me. Sigh. The guy asks for an example of a good and bad blind shot. I've given him one. You turned it into a comment about whether scout cam should be used on playthrough videos. People will play the game that way most of the time. Doesn't make my comments on blind shots any less legitimate (and my views on HOW these should be accomplished are actually pretty similar to yours).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:29:44 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no problem in arguing - it is you that have stated that you don't want to argue with me. Sigh. The guy asks for an example of a good and bad blind shot. I've given him one. You turned it into a comment about whether scout cam should be used on playthrough videos. People will play the game that way most of the time. Doesn't make my comments on blind shots any less legitimate (and my views on HOW these should be accomplished are actually pretty similar to yours). You know Ben - I think we pretty much agree on most things. But I am a bit over average interested in golf, and thus tend to be a bit enthusiastic when discussing golf - and on blind shots, you and I don't agree - and that is perfectly fine. No, I do not find the first example as a good blind shot - in my opinion, you should have a visible safe landing area - as the hole is 474 yards, that should in my opinion be no less than ca 250 yards off the tee, leaving a long iron approach. For a hole that long, I do not like blind tee shots at all and would not recommend it. And yes, when you use the scout cam, the shot is no longer blind for you - I think I heard you say "yeah, perfectly fine fairway with no hidden hazards".. uh, and how did you know? You used the scout cam. On most courses when you go out and play it for the first time, you only have the overview map of the hole on the tee and perhaps on the scorecard. You could use the yard-book in the game, and then relate to how you would aim without the scout cam and aim-marker. As far as I saw, you did not do that. I think what I heard was "I love this shot" and "this is a really fun shot" (both of which I do not agree).
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 11:38:31 GMT -5
Sigh. The guy asks for an example of a good and bad blind shot. I've given him one. You turned it into a comment about whether scout cam should be used on playthrough videos. People will play the game that way most of the time. Doesn't make my comments on blind shots any less legitimate (and my views on HOW these should be accomplished are actually pretty similar to yours). You know Ben - I think we pretty much agree on most things. But I am a bit over average interested in golf, and thus tend to be a bit enthusiastic when discussing golf - and on blind shots, you and I don't agree - and that is perfectly fine. No, I do not find the first example as a good blind shot - in my opinion, you should have a visible safe landing area - as the hole is 474 yards, that should in my opinion be no less than ca 250 yards off the tee, leaving a long iron approach. For a hole that long, I do not like blind tee shots at all and would not recommend it. And yes, when you use the scout cam, the shot is no longer blind for you - I think I heard you say "yeah, perfectly fine fairway with no hidden hazards".. uh, and how did you know? You used the scout cam. On most courses when you go out and play it for the first time, you only have the overview map of the hole on the tee and perhaps on the scorecard. You could use the yard-book in the game, and then relate to how you would aim without the scout cam and aim-marker. As far as I saw, you did not do that. I think what I heard was "I love this shot" and "this is a really fun shot" (both of which I do not agree). Two takes on the specific shot in question: 1) In real life, I'd agree with the point on distance, but 474 yards is not a long hole in-game any more. When driver rolls to 330, you're looking at a wedge in. If it were 500+, maybe I'd be questioning it. 2) There are no blind hazards. Therefore the shot is fine. You can hit away. Whether you used the scout cam or not is essentially irrelevant. At this point, you're imposing your personal view of how the game should be played onto a blind tee shot rather than actually analysing how it does play. Just because I've loaded up scout cam does not render the comments, or the qualities of that tee shot, null and void. --- And no, you should not have to have a visible, safe landing area. That would make the tee shot semi-blind, which is against the point of the thread and really shows that you're not trying to understand the shot that you are critiquing. --- And yes, friendly disagreement welcomed
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 11:57:17 GMT -5
You know Ben - I think we pretty much agree on most things. But I am a bit over average interested in golf, and thus tend to be a bit enthusiastic when discussing golf - and on blind shots, you and I don't agree - and that is perfectly fine. No, I do not find the first example as a good blind shot - in my opinion, you should have a visible safe landing area - as the hole is 474 yards, that should in my opinion be no less than ca 250 yards off the tee, leaving a long iron approach. For a hole that long, I do not like blind tee shots at all and would not recommend it. And yes, when you use the scout cam, the shot is no longer blind for you - I think I heard you say "yeah, perfectly fine fairway with no hidden hazards".. uh, and how did you know? You used the scout cam. On most courses when you go out and play it for the first time, you only have the overview map of the hole on the tee and perhaps on the scorecard. You could use the yard-book in the game, and then relate to how you would aim without the scout cam and aim-marker. As far as I saw, you did not do that. I think what I heard was "I love this shot" and "this is a really fun shot" (both of which I do not agree). Two takes on the specific shot in question: 1) In real life, I'd agree with the point on distance, but 474 yards is not a long hole in-game any more. When driver rolls to 330, you're looking at a wedge in. If it were 500+, maybe I'd be questioning it. 2) There are no blind hazards. Therefore the shot is fine. You can hit away. Whether you used the scout cam or not is essentially irrelevant. At this point, you're imposing your personal view of how the game should be played onto a blind tee shot rather than actually analysing how it does play. Just because I've loaded up scout cam does not render the comments, or the qualities of that tee shot, null and void. --- And no, you should not have to have a visible, safe landing area. That would make the tee shot semi-blind, which is against the point of the thread and really shows that you're not trying to understand the shot that you are critiquing. --- And yes, friendly disagreement welcomed I should think you understood that I do not like completely blind tee shots period. And yes, that is my opinion and what I argue on behalf. I do not find them thrilling or exciting, just unecessary in most cases. I do not know if it is easy to move the tee on this particular hole up to the right, and thus have the shot visible. The fairway is so wide so far that you can bomb a driver any day - the only danger being far left. I did not see the green in question, but I would reckon that the left side off the fairway should be the prefered side to give the player incentive to play for a more risky tee shot. If the tee shot where visible, this could be a hole where a strategic center bunker could be used to great effect, stopping the roll of the ball, and thus leave you 30 yards longer to the green. Or, the fairway could narrow at 300 yards off the tee. I prefer any visible strategy any day to any complete blind tee shots. From what you have written, the reason for the blind shot is to make it thrilling? Any other reason I have missed? I think I saw someone say "intimidating" .. and again, I do not agree on that. The tee shot do not look intimidating, nor any other examples given (though this may ofcourse be different from golfer to golfer - depending on skill and what you are good at or not. Playing from the back tees, I assume good golfers that are not easily intimitated).
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Post by b101 on Feb 6, 2021 13:11:24 GMT -5
Personal feelings about blind tee shots are one thing, arguing that this isn't an intimidating tee shot is baffling:
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