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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 3:08:05 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! It is. I tried it last night |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 3:31:45 GMT -5
Most definitely true, I was over hitting all my putts on my last round using the slower back stroke that I had to learn for this game. Went back to my TGC2019 putting stroke ( pulling the stick all the way back and a firm forward stroke) on the practice green. Took about 20 minutes to relearn the distances, managed to hole more all distance putts on the practice greens and practice rounds (no grids) than I have since the game's release.Holed a breaking 98 footer on the practice green š. I am not desperately fighting the push and pull anymore so it is a game changer for me. I play with no marker.
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Post by GW_Hope on Oct 8, 2020 4:43:31 GMT -5
Alls Iām saying is HB is doing the best they can but some of the questionable moves letās just say are not from lack of caring...But from not having actual PGA pros in charge to make the game authentic on that level. HB are weekend hackers pretty much so they donāt have the insight to make the game how it should/could be. And even when they do listen they still donāt seem to get it just right. Not their fault though. Whoever writes checks and hires at HB that is probably unreachable needs to be reached in order to make the game as it should/could be. That may be true, but I believe they look at data and adjust from there. They may look at message boards occasionally but then compare the complaints to the data and make a decision. My guess is they saw to many 3-5 putts and decided that isnāt āproā like. |
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Post by rcknfrewld on Oct 8, 2020 6:21:56 GMT -5
The old new putting was a bit silly. It was an artificial made difficulty. I think with the new new tempo tweaks, the game is really in a good spot. The perfects now feel challenging but fairer. Making that one-two click and seeing it take off straight in the air is a rewarding feeling. I tried using all fasts but the immersion wasnāt there for me. I need to be mentally engaged to be motivated. Oh, but I do blast fasts off the tee like I have always done. More fun.
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Post by ksmith851 on Oct 8, 2020 6:52:45 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! I also tried last night, this is indeed the case. The downside is that practice putts become useless as there is no longer a white % popup at your intended distance. For those who like slow putting and using a part of the back foot to judge distance, just set your intent to zero. The entire putting stroke is now a crawl. This is never how I putted, I just used feel from down to up on the stick to judge distance. I may have to change my entire approach now. I will say this criticism of the new stroke is strictly about how it affects me, which I get. Maybe itās easier for most and that justifies the change. Iām just not thrilled. |
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Post by DaveC_87 on Oct 8, 2020 8:01:31 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! It is. I tried it last night Same for me. Exactly what is happening. This is why I was over putting on longer shots on my last round. I typically leave puts short and I have a slow back and forward motion on my putts. The longer puts were causing me to over swing due to the nature of the tempo being much faster. I really don't like this change. And why is HB changing stuff without telling anyone. Seems really odd. |
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Post by twofor22 on Oct 8, 2020 8:03:25 GMT -5
I played 9 holes earlier and now I can see it has changed. It hasn't really affected my putting adversely though. I feel like I need to pull the stick back a bit quicker to get the same speed in the animation from before the patch or whatever, but I'll get used to it. My biggest reason for missing putts is line more than speed anyway.
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Post by losbenitos on Oct 8, 2020 9:34:24 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! This is exactly what they did and it perfectly illustrates the problem that the designers seem to have, which is that none of them seem to know how golf is actually played. Putting well is based on a combination of tempo and swing length. With the old mechanic you were able to control both consistently, even if it was difficult to master. With this update (if you use the marker accurately and don't basically "trick" it by making it think that you're going to hit a 20 foot putt when it's only five feet) your swing speed is basically locked in by the system and depends on the length of the putt, which is ridiculous (you're not able to swing "fast" on a short putt, even if you pull the stick back as fast as you can.) Their idea of making it "easier" is to take away your ability to actually control one aspect of your swing. |
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Post by cseanny on Oct 8, 2020 10:20:08 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! I did some testing and was curious if the new update would be similar to distance control from 2019 (link in description of video below). It is not, however while doing that I found that after this update you can quite literally play an entire round with a Single Avatar Position and hit to the exact % of your choosing every shot:
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Post by rob4590 on Oct 8, 2020 11:31:31 GMT -5
I was going in a slightly different direction than above with my original post - Sean has taken it that you can use one length of swing for different distances, while I was thinking more in terms of everyone being able to set their own preferred putting TEMPO by altering the marker - if you like a slow tempo, you pull the marker towards you, whereas if you like the fast (original 2k21) tempo, then you push the marker much further away........
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Post by remoshi on Oct 8, 2020 11:31:55 GMT -5
The old new putting was a bit silly. It was an artificial made difficulty. I think with the new new tempo tweaks, the game is really in a good spot. The perfects now feel challenging but fairer. Making that one-two click and seeing it take off straight in the air is a rewarding feeling. I tried using all fasts but the immersion wasnāt there for me. I need to be mentally engaged to be motivated. Oh, but I do blast fasts off the tee like I have always done. More fun. I understand how a culture of complaining might be on the forums in general, but in this situation itās not fair to paint with such a broad brush. The issue that I and others were complaining about was an unannounced server side change to mechanics by 2k. While Iām aware tgctours and pga 2k arenāt affiliated, people are still allowed to complain about the timing of this change. I was all jacked up for week 1 after grinding the qualifier only to get the air knocked out of me with severe putting woes. All thatās to say, I intend on getting used to the new methods and adapting and moving on with my life. But I am slightly bummed that they made it easier apparently, as some have said. I havenāt had the time to really practice yet on it. |
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Post by titan30003 on Oct 8, 2020 11:38:20 GMT -5
I was going in a slightly different direction than above with my original post - Sean has taken it that you can use one length of swing for different distances, while I was thinking more in terms of everyone being able to set their own preferred putting TEMPO by altering the marker - if you like a slow tempo, you pull the marker towards you, whereas if you like the fast (original 2k21) tempo, then you push the marker much further away........ I did a quick test, and when I set the putter intent at 1 feet, it takes about 1.9 seconds to pull the putter all the way back to 100% ish power. When I set the intent to 144 feet, it takes 1.1 seconds to get to 100% ish power. |
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Post by YouStayClassySanDiego on Oct 8, 2020 12:30:31 GMT -5
Just throwing something out for people (probably cseanny) to test and see if it is correct - and if so, can it help them? Before this update - on longer shots (everything EXCEPT putting), if you moved the marker towards you, the backswing speed itself got slower, and the downswing tempo got faster.... (Supposition) After the update - putting is now affected the same way as all other shots....... People have stated that short putts are most affected - ie the swing on those has slowed down much more (got to swing longer and harder for tap ins) - well that could be due to the marker being a LOT closer (relative to max length of a putt)? Longer putts (marker further away) seem less affected.... If this is correct, then on a short putt (say 4ft), if you putt the marker say 20ft away (instead of the default 4-6ft) then the speed of (back)swing would be quicker.....(and more like it was a few days ago) Similarly - if you have a 60ft putt, and put the marker say to 30ft (instead of the default 60ft), then the backswing would slow down - thus making distance control on long putts easier...... I'm off to work now - be interesting if someone tests this theory out and whether it's true.......in which case, chances are the original setting was a bug that HB have just realised about, and the new setting is how it was always supposed to be!!! Nice detective work Rob. I tried this out on the practice green and can confirm the same behavior in game. After a bit of practice with it, I think this could really help out long lag putting for myself and other folks who are relying on the animation as the indicator to start the downstroke. |
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Post by cseanny on Oct 8, 2020 12:36:51 GMT -5
I was going in a slightly different direction than above with my original post - Sean has taken it that you can use one length of swing for different distances, while I was thinking more in terms of everyone being able to set their own preferred putting TEMPO by altering the marker - if you like a slow tempo, you pull the marker towards you, whereas if you like the fast (original 2k21) tempo, then you push the marker much further away........ It's still your fault lol 
I was just responding to your request and once I did distance control testing from 2019 I came across it. Distance control in 2019 was in the +/- 3 to 4F range for most putts, yet in 2K21 it's a -3F to +25F, or 25% to 45%! So for all those people that were complaining that putting was too hard, or that it was broken, well, I hope you're all very happy now lol! You definitely got what you asked for, and then a whole lot more. It can't get any easier and mindless than the current paradigm.
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Post by GW_Hope on Oct 8, 2020 12:47:35 GMT -5
You have more control over your style now. If you like the same putting pace just pick your favorite intent distance for all putts and the head speed will be constant. If you prefer putting timing then use the variable intent and head speed will vary. If you liked the stroke really fast push intent out all the way.
They should remove the distance off the marker and replace with % speed.
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