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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 24, 2015 11:15:13 GMT -5
Guys keep the discussion going, we're listening. 2) We feel that the overlap in tournaments really makes the end of a tournament an afterthought. People have mentally already moved on to the next tournament before we have ended the previous week's tournament. As I said, we welcome the feedback, keep discussing. I want to be really clear of my intent here. Just trying to discuss things and share thoughts. I'm not arguing, or anything of the like. We are all grown ups discussing something. So, with that said, in the interest of discussion, point 2 is understandable... just not sure getting rid of the 'opening' overlap is going to accomplish what you wish to accomplish. On tours with cuts, approx half the field misses the cut. They have mentally moved on by Thursday, and are eager to go on the next one. They now have to wait one more day to get started. For those missing the cut, Saturday is now a dead/wasted day, that could be better utilized. In terms of an exciting finish, the ones most interested in the finish are the top of the leaderboard folks. I'm not sure if people are excessively leaderboard refreshing to see if they finished 45th versus 47th (said as someone familiar with that leaderboard position) In the spoilers threads, the contenders have already compared in-game leaderboards on each platform well before the end of the tournament. The actual physical dates and reveals are almost inconsequential. So, it seems to me to be a matter of efficiency, and that opening Saturday is not being used to its full potential. As a weekend day, it's extremely valuable. Having it only 'in play' for those that make the cut, or have no cut to worry about... and with a lot of those folks having already completed four rounds by Saturday, it just doesn't seem to be the most efficient use of 'high value calendar property' for the largest number of participants. I have to agree with this. I was the ONLY player in the top 50 on PGA this week to play their final round on the Sunday. The result is done and dusted well before the end because of the spoiler thread. Just about everyone who is competing at the top is involved in the spoiler thread so they will move on to practice for the next week and those who don't read the threads are generally those that are cut In all honesty I think the losing of a valuable day to play in Saturday is a bigger loss than it would be for a small minority who don't want the overlap to have to put up with it. I don't think by implementing this change ANYONE who moves on by early weekend will wait any longer, they will still know the result and.just practice the next course and discuss that whereas you will alienate some people that need that extra day. Just my 2c |
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 24, 2015 11:16:42 GMT -5
Would the option of opening the events the same as it is now (Saturday) but not posting spoiler threads until Monday (after the previous week's event is finalized) be a better workaround? yes I strongly believe this is the better option |
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 24, 2015 11:16:58 GMT -5
Doyley , personally, I think that would be better. Just throwing this out there, but what about getting rid of the spoiler threads completely? Ask/moderate the posting of round by round scores (at least before reveals)... folks can talk about their rounds, if they played well/badly, but can't go 'full monty' with score reveals. Keep a little mystery for the leaderboards. heck, call it gamesmanship if you wish. I wasn't even playing in the WGC, and I pretty much knew all the top of leaderboard results by something like Friday... just from reading the thread.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 24, 2015 11:18:18 GMT -5
I suppose another option would be make the site spoiler free but that would lose alot of discussion
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Post by justamush on Mar 24, 2015 11:19:27 GMT -5
Doyley , personally, I think that would be better. Just throwing this out there, but what about getting rid of the spoiler threads completely? Ask/moderate the posting of round by round scores (at least before reveals). I wasn't even playing in the WGC, and I pretty much knew all the top of leaderboard results by something like Friday... just from reading the thread. I would love to get rid of spoilers personally, but then you have the risk of people posting them in other threads. At least this way they are all confined to one thread that you can choose to go to or not. I really wish people would use the non-spoiler threads more, as that would make it much more fun. |
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Post by bruce on Mar 24, 2015 11:21:23 GMT -5
My mistake as far as checking scores and such, didn't even take that into consideration, especially as far as all the volunteers as well(sorry about that).
Maybe start on Sunday and end on Friday, with Saturday as a free practice day and for checking scores.
Starting Monday would probably make things more realistic, but then it means playing during the weekdays and everyone might not br able to do that.
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Post by Pubknight on Mar 24, 2015 11:22:33 GMT -5
I would love to get rid of spoilers personally, but then you have the risk of people posting them in other threads. At least this way they are all confined to one thread that you can choose to go to or not. I really wish people would use the non-spoiler threads more, as that would make it much more fun. Forum threads could always be moderated. It's not even that much more work... just appoint some forum moderators to keep an eye out for that stuff. I suppose another option would be make the site spoiler free but that would lose alot of discussion Would it though? could still discuss... just not post your round by round scores. As my mother used to tell my sister: "Keep a little mystery, Dear" Anyways, didn't mean to de-rail... just tossing an idea out there. I think the key is that "opening Saturday" and how it's utilized. Losing it as a play day for a large chunk of people is, in my view at least, too high a cost. |
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Post by Tim on Mar 24, 2015 11:26:37 GMT -5
I personally like the idea of no spoilers as well. It keeps it much more realistic and everyone engage with the site and the drama that is unfolding heading into the weekend. I think this in itself leads to more excitement and folks really watching the leader-boards as we end the tourney.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 24, 2015 11:26:40 GMT -5
I would love to get rid of spoilers personally, but then you have the risk of people posting them in other threads. At least this way they are all confined to one thread that you can choose to go to or not. I really wish people would use the non-spoiler threads more, as that would make it much more fun. Forum threads could always be moderated. It's not even that much more work... just appoint some forum moderators to keep an eye out for that stuff. I suppose another option would be make the site spoiler free but that would lose alot of discussion Would it though? could still discuss... just not post your round by round scores. As my mother used to tell my sister: "Keep a little mystery, Dear" If they went a spoiler free site I would happily moderate and remove posts where necessary. I go on recent thread posts on here about 15-20 times a day lol! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 11:30:43 GMT -5
The overlap was nice, it was good to have the extra time if needed, like the weekend of the Masters, I'm gone the entire week, Sunday to the following Monday I was planning to plow these in on the first Saturday. That's gone now as it will start on the Monday. Other stuff happens this time of year as well, the weather is getting nice, We have real golf, cottages, all sorts of summer activities, I think less time to play is a mistake.
But it is what it is. It's not all about me as the wife hammers into my head all the time.
One thing if this happens that I would need and it might help, is to be able to last minute register, but that brings other problems to you guys, so I will likely not register if it later turned out I was able to play I lose. If I register and cannot play there is a penalty, so lose lose for me.
I'm just not sure how much I can accommodate this change during the warmer weather.
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Post by woodjer on Mar 24, 2015 11:31:48 GMT -5
Would the option of opening the events the same as it is now (Saturday) but not posting spoiler threads until Monday (after the previous week's event is finalized) be a better workaround? I like this idea but what about going a step further...create separate spoiler threads for each round? Sure it would be more threads but, for those that want suspense, they could see how they're doing before scores post but don't need to see scores for rounds that they haven't finished. I think the spoilers can be great for those that want to see how they're shaping up before scores are revealed but, from personal experience, it can be disheartening to shoot a great round only to learn that someone has already completed the tournament and whipped you before you've played half of it. Of course, the easy solution is to just stay out of them altogether, I suppose... Anyway, I've really had no complaints either way. Just throwing out an idea... |
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Post by Oblong on Mar 24, 2015 11:36:30 GMT -5
I can totally respect the change if it was done to help the marshalls and admins facilitate, didnt think of that earlier. It is a pretty tight window for rounds 3 & 4 especially for those who wouldnt want to play until they know if they made the cut or not. The final two rounds fall on two weekend days (friday and saturday) so hopefully that gives people time to find the 45-1 hour required to play two rounds. I will do my best. We all have our work/home/sleep/religious schedules that obviously come first. For me personally, Friday 6pm - Sat 6pm is out for religious observance. I work Friday 9-5pm. I sleep Friday 9pm - 5am. So of those 45 hours I have already got 31 that are blocked out. Add in eating, pooping, shower, etc and there goes another 3. Family time may hold another 5-6 as well as other weekend events may do another 3-4. I am down to maybe a 2-3 hour window to get my rounds in each week in the best of circumstances. Either I will or I won't, it's all for fun. I am sure if this becomes an issue for myself and others then the good folks at TGCT will see an increase in WD's and look to adjust. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 11:38:31 GMT -5
Would the option of opening the events the same as it is now (Saturday) but not posting spoiler threads until Monday (after the previous week's event is finalized) be a better workaround? I thought this change was about spoiler threads. Just lose them altogether if it upset a few people. But yes, certainly a good work around.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 12:06:43 GMT -5
Lose the spoiler. Very small percentage use them. .. and for me has lost the appeal
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Post by billybudd0623 on Mar 24, 2015 13:04:32 GMT -5
I personally like reading about the tournament through the eyes of the players in the NON spoiler section. Some are quite entertaining. I believe they would come back if the spoiler section was gone.
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