tempo, Tempo, TEMPO!

[ABU_Bear]

Anyone had concrete success with the swing calibration? Do we have proof it actually works as intended? Or is it all a load of BS?

[GW_Hope]

I think people are too obsessed with perfect. The perfect zone from 2019 appears to be the gray area surrounding the white perfect zone. The size of the gray zone is close to the size of the 2019 perfect. I assume HB listened to suggestions the the perfect shot should be rare and there should be slight penalties in the perfect zone. This is exactly how it acts. I think they should have labeled it something more intuitive. As long as the tempo is in the gray zone there is very little dispersion.

[BourbonGamer]

There is so much info to soak in with this new release but awesome info in here. Thanks a ton guys!

[AFCTUJacko]

Aug 24, 2020 7:50:07 GMT -5 GW_Hope said:

I think people are too obsessed with perfect. The perfect zone from 2019 appears to be the gray area surrounding the white perfect zone. The size of the gray zone is close to the size of the 2019 perfect. I assume HB listened to suggestions the the perfect shot should be rare and there should be slight penalties in the perfect zone. This is exactly how it acts. I think they should have labeled it something more intuitive. As long as the tempo is in the gray zone there is very little dispersion.

Agree. A grey fast is a 3-4 yard pull with an iron and maybe a little more with a driver?

Unless you're attacking pin you probably shouldn't be, hitting it in the grey area shouldn't mean a missed green (assuming you've for club selection and wind judgement correct)

We've all become so attuned to the TGC2/19 game mechanic it's a proper shock to the system to not ALWAYS be trying to hit it stiff

We have "very slow" and "very fast". Why should they grey areas not be called "slightly slow" and "slightly fast"?

[YouStayClassySanDiego]

I posted some test results in another thread. I don't want to repost the whole thing here, so I'll put the link at the bottom.

The basic gist however, is that the exact same swing on the range produces different tempo results regularly. Across all swing types and clubs. I created an 'Iron Byron' for the range to test tempo to test this, so there's literally zero deviation between swings. Yet, I get different tempo results with the exact same input. Everything from Very Fast to Slow, although I never saw a Very Slow in a few hundred test shots last night. I was also only testing on Pro-Am settings as well.

I'll be testing tonight after work with a zero deviation swing plane, at different swing percentages and swing difficulties and will report back.

Link to my thread:
tgctours.proboards.com/thread/24258/crazy-swing-tempo-consistency

[SkinniePost]

Was this done with the Distance Control Assist toggle on or off?

[cseanny]

Aug 24, 2020 12:06:39 GMT -5 YouStayClassySanDiego said:

I posted some test results in another thread. I don't want to repost the whole thing here, so I'll put the link at the bottom.

The basic gist however, is that the exact same swing on the range produces different tempo results regularly. Across all swing types and clubs. I created an 'Iron Byron' for the range to test tempo to test this, so there's literally zero deviation between swings. Yet, I get different tempo results with the exact same input. Everything from Very Fast to Slow, although I never saw a Very Slow in a few hundred test shots last night. I was also only testing on Pro-Am settings as well.

I'll be testing tonight after work with a zero deviation swing plane, at different swing percentages and swing difficulties and will report back.

Link to my thread:
tgctours.proboards.com/thread/24258/crazy-swing-tempo-consistency

This is great!  TY! 

It took me Sooooo long to hit enough quality golf shots which would meet the criteria needed to even be used in testing.  I had asked some of my PC friends to help me with something like you're doing but they didn't follow through (poopy pants on those guys o_^!!).  I'm quite confident that you'll be verifying everything I've stated.

edit:  You don't need to test out different difficulties.  It's a One Tempo For All system, per HB.  And you'll need more than "one swing macro" because you'll need to overcome the "distant control" attribute and continue swinging beyond intent.

2nd edit!:  What time do you get off work?  Could you involve me in the process through Discord share screen!?  Cheers.

[YouStayClassySanDiego]

Aug 24, 2020 13:56:16 GMT -5 cseanny said:

This is great!  TY! 

It took me Sooooo long to hit enough quality golf shots which would meet the criteria needed to even be used in testing.  I had asked some of my PC friends to help me with something like you're doing but they didn't follow through (poopy pants on those guys o_^!!).  I'm quite confident that you'll be verifying everything I've stated.

edit:  You don't need to test out different difficulties.  It's a One Tempo For All system, per HB.

2nd edit!:  What time do you get off work?  Could you involve me in the process through Discord share screen!?  Cheers.

Hey, might as well test thoroughly.  I don't think we're supposed to be seeing different tempo results from the same exact input parameters.

I should be home around 5pm PDT today.  Might not get directly online, as there's family time and dinner.  I'll likely be on somewhere around 8pm PDT.  PM me your Discord info and I'll shoot you an invite to my private server.  I am planning to record tonight's testing, stitch and edit it together and publish to YT in the next few days.  I'll of course post up a link to the testing at that time.

[jtcurrent]

Aug 24, 2020 8:39:12 GMT -5 AFCTUJacko said:

Aug 24, 2020 7:50:07 GMT -5 GW_Hope said:

I think people are too obsessed with perfect. The perfect zone from 2019 appears to be the gray area surrounding the white perfect zone. The size of the gray zone is close to the size of the 2019 perfect. I assume HB listened to suggestions the the perfect shot should be rare and there should be slight penalties in the perfect zone. This is exactly how it acts. I think they should have labeled it something more intuitive. As long as the tempo is in the gray zone there is very little dispersion.

Agree. A grey fast is a 3-4 yard pull with an iron and maybe a little more with a driver?

Unless you're attacking pin you probably shouldn't be, hitting it in the grey area shouldn't mean a missed green (assuming you've for club selection and wind judgement correct)

We've all become so attuned to the TGC2/19 game mechanic it's a proper shock to the system to not ALWAYS be trying to hit it stiff

We have "very slow" and "very fast". Why should they grey areas not be called "slightly slow" and "slightly fast"?

That's true...except that I hit is crooked AND fast!  Haha...that's why every shot is an adventure right now.  Honestly I like that scoring is going to be much more difficult even if the fast and slow seem (are?) random to some degree.  But I also have no doubt scores will eventually get very low.

[bahnzo]

Aug 24, 2020 7:36:11 GMT -5 ABU_Bear said:

Anyone had concrete success with the swing calibration? Do we have proof it actually works as intended? Or is it all a load of BS?

I've posted a video that definitely shows the calibration works. However, I've also found (and seen confirmed by others) the calibration is a "zone" or a "window" in which your downswing speed must fall into. If you are too fast or slow, it will not calibrate. And from the limited testing I did, it's too small of a window IMO. 

[YouStayClassySanDiego]

Okay, just finished some testing with cseanny tonight. I never would have thought to try this, but he had me turn my graphics settings all the way down. Guess what? Tempo variations were minuscule. As in the tempo mark across 10-15 swings was never outside of perfect on Masters clubs. As soon as I turned graphics back up, tempo started going all over the place again. I'd love to see some results from others in the community to see if we can confirm this.

Once I edit down my captures to a reasonable length, I'll try to get a video up from testing tonight.

[YouStayClassySanDiego]

So, went out and played a couple rounds of PGA Career mode. All graphics settings at minimum. First round was done entirely via my scripting. Results varied. There were still fast and slow swings as well as variances in power percentage, despite target distance always being 100%. This throws the hypothesis above into question, although it could be explained by the fact that the game needs to render more stuff on course versus the range, even with low settings. Second round was set at Master setting for difficulty and was much better in terms of tempo feel that earlier rounds. I had quite a few perfect tempo swings and very few big misses. Certainly manageable, as I shot -7 with only 1 bogey at the Valspar tournament. Still need feedback from others in the community.

[ABU_Bear]

Aug 24, 2020 21:53:20 GMT -5 bahnzo said:

Aug 24, 2020 7:36:11 GMT -5 ABU_Bear said:

Anyone had concrete success with the swing calibration? Do we have proof it actually works as intended? Or is it all a load of BS?

I've posted a video that definitely shows the calibration works. However, I've also found (and seen confirmed by others) the calibration is a "zone" or a "window" in which your downswing speed must fall into. If you are too fast or slow, it will not calibrate. And from the limited testing I did, it's too small of a window IMO. 

So in essence unless you’re a robot it’s total BS

[kmvespe]

Whoa, I am so confused. So, you're telling me that in this game, if I move my distance on the shot circle to 85%, I can take a full swing and it will register as 85%? Because I've tried that, and it still goes the full distance of the club.

For example. If my PW goes 150 yards, and I bring the aim cursor down to 110 yards and take a normal full swing, it will still go 150 yards. But, unless I'm reading your post wrong, that shouldn't happen and should only be going 110 yards due to distance control.

Right?

[firstblitzer]

Aug 25, 2020 7:33:29 GMT -5 kmvespe said:

Whoa, I am so confused. So, you're telling me that in this game, if I move my distance on the shot circle to 85%, I can take a full swing and it will register as 85%? Because I've tried that, and it still goes the full distance of the club.

For example. If my PW goes 150 yards, and I bring the aim cursor down to 110 yards and take a normal full swing, it will still go 150 yards. But, unless I'm reading your post wrong, that shouldn't happen and should only be going 110 yards due to distance control.

Right?

If you move the shot circle to 85% the rumble will trigger at 85% and you need to downswing bang on that to get 85%