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Post by Brighttail on Sept 6, 2020 9:59:08 GMT -5
Did the uninstall/reinstall, pulling the 2K folder to the desktop first. After the reinstall my golfer had the level and coins right but appearance was back at square one. Exiting the game and swapping in the 2K folder fixed appearances. This whole process does not seem to have changed anything about the swing, at least for me. Still the same steady inconsistency, which is a struggle but maybe with hours of more practice I can get better. Got miles to go before I could earn a spot in CC somewhere. Still glad I went through this process, although since doing this I need to tweak a few things with some other apps like Discord. Might have to do the same un/reinstall with it. Onward! Have you turned off the mouse precision pointer, Art? Press your Start button, type MOUSE and go into Mouse Settings. From here click on "Advanced Mouse Settings" and then click on the tab labeled "pointer options". Uncheck "enhanced pointer precision". It is another little trick that can help stuff.
Remember the in game settings of Mouse Sensitivity. If you are always getting slow swings, you can increase this number. If you are always getting fast swings you can lower this number to help better fine tune things.
Yes everything will remain the same including all your settings, Bahnzo, because when you uninstall the game the 2k file is not removed, nor is it over written when you reinstall it. That is why it was suggested you move it to your desktop and move it back.
For me I did the whole set up of the 2k file because for me, I had accidentally turned on something that prevented me from looking at the greens in scout mode when I was close to the pin. By reinstalling everything, it defaulted back to the way it was.
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Post by moosestuff on Sept 6, 2020 12:24:35 GMT -5
I just can't get anything going on the new game at the moment. I've played about 10 hours so far and just not seeing any improvement at all after the first hour or two, tried fiddling with mouse settings, calibration etc but a perfect swing seems incredibly tough to get right now. The worst part is the swing just feels random to me, two swings that feel the same and one is fast and the other is slow, it's the randomness that kills me as I have no idea how to improve. On TGC19 I could feel if I was going too fast or too slow and fix it, but it's a complete other story in the new game.
It's a shame as I really like how the game looks, but it just doesn't feel great with a mouse right now (imo at least). I don't know if I'll start playing the new season, I might wait to see what happens in the next couple of months as this feeling of randomness is just annoying right now.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 6, 2020 12:46:21 GMT -5
What difficulty are you using moose? Try going down in difficulty and see if that helps.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 6, 2020 13:04:43 GMT -5
Did the uninstall/reinstall, pulling the 2K folder to the desktop first. After the reinstall my golfer had the level and coins right but appearance was back at square one. Exiting the game and swapping in the 2K folder fixed appearances. This whole process does not seem to have changed anything about the swing, at least for me. Still the same steady inconsistency, which is a struggle but maybe with hours of more practice I can get better. Got miles to go before I could earn a spot in CC somewhere. Still glad I went through this process, although since doing this I need to tweak a few things with some other apps like Discord. Might have to do the same un/reinstall with it. Onward! Have you turned off the mouse precision pointer, Art? Press your Start button, type MOUSE and go into Mouse Settings. From here click on "Advanced Mouse Settings" and then click on the tab labeled "pointer options". Uncheck "enhanced pointer precision". It is another little trick that can help stuff.
Remember the in game settings of Mouse Sensitivity. If you are always getting slow swings, you can increase this number. If you are always getting fast swings you can lower this number to help better fine tune things.
Yes everything will remain the same including all your settings, Bahnzo, because when you uninstall the game the 2k file is not removed, nor is it over written when you reinstall it. That is why it was suggested you move it to your desktop and move it back.
For me I did the whole set up of the 2k file because for me, I had accidentally turned on something that prevented me from looking at the greens in scout mode when I was close to the pin. By reinstalling everything, it defaulted back to the way it was.
What a great asset this thread is turning out to be. Ron I have gone off and on with the enhanced setting, today with the enhanced off and the in game sensitivity doubled (50 to 100) I am finally getting some consistent swings on the range. The stroke still seems quicker than 19 but I have been able to hit a slow, a perfect and a fast with some effort that does not endanger Bullwinkle out there. The cursor position for me has returned to near the 19 spot for a full swing, jury is still out on pitch and chip. Putting...another story of course. All other mouse settings are the same for now (single DPI 1950, Razer Deathadder Elite). Thanks to all of you, we mousers have to help each other because I feel we are lost on the radar of HB. Onward!
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Post by cliffs on Sept 6, 2020 13:24:38 GMT -5
After the patch and things weren't working very good, I am now getting more Perfects and I believe it is due to a shorter downswing. I draw back my vertical mouse and watch the golf club, when I want to hit the ball I push "faster than 2019" but shorter in mouse movement. The shorter mouse movement equals less chance of going out of swing plane, so a lot of my Perfect also are straight down the middle.
I am on Pro clubs , so I know that may not help out. Master is still too twitchie for my liking.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Sept 6, 2020 15:10:42 GMT -5
So everything that worked on the range DOESN'T work on the course.
Just about every swing is slow, I cannot get anything quicker. If I happen to get a perfect or fast, I can't replicate it.
Increased DPI, no change. Dropped DPI, no change but the putting felt better.
I have in game sensitivity (IGS from now on) at 100. According to Ron if I drop it I will get slow tempo, which I already have.
Any ideas?
EDIT: On a whim while hitting slow after slow on the range, I activated enhanced. I then hit some perfects and fasts with a few slows. So I took it to the Elite event. +4 with a birdie and 5 bogies, no blowup holes!
Now to see if it will hold up in another round.
Onward!
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 6, 2020 17:40:27 GMT -5
So everything that worked on the range DOESN'T work on the course. Just about every swing is slow, I cannot get anything quicker. If I happen to get a perfect or fast, I can't replicate it. Increased DPI, no change. Dropped DPI, no change but the putting felt better. I have in game sensitivity (IGS from now on) at 100. According to Ron if I drop it I will get slow tempo, which I already have. Any ideas? EDIT: On a whim while hitting slow after slow on the range, I activated enhanced. I then hit some perfects and fasts with a few slows. So I took it to the Elite event. +4 with a birdie and 5 bogies, no blowup holes! Now to see if it will hold up in another round. Onward! One of the issues with the mouse, is you need to have a very fast downswing to get it to register properly. Like I've mention before, the calibration is a narrow window in which you have to fit in, and it's very fast for us mouse users. Having the "precision" helps with that, as it speeds up your mouse. But it also can cause other issues. I just turn it off and speed up my mouse cursor to compensate. It hurts my swing plane on occasion, but it's the only way I can get any sort of consistency. And you can still see from my video how well that's going.
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Post by jerrynorbury on Sept 8, 2020 7:56:54 GMT -5
Senior developer (http://www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,30806.0.html reply #) HB_CraigC over on HB_Studios just posted this yesterday.
Calibration is extremely simple. We take the average downswing timing of your 10 calibration swings and adjust dead perfect to the average of those swings, within an upper and lower bounds of what is an acceptable balance.
The point of calibration is to adjust perfect to align with a users more natural timing. Swing calibration will never make you hit perfect all the time. Our swing timings are dealing in the thousandths of seconds - repeating a perfect 0.00X second timing is always going to be extremely challenging regardless of calibration.
A couple other points/rumors I've heard...I might as well just address here. - Swing Calibration is NOT lost when restarting the game - it is permanent until recalibrated again. - You do NOT need to recalibrate with new clubs. Dead perfect is identical for ALL clubs. The forgiveness attribute scales the window around perfect. - Perfect downswing timing for ALL shot types at 100% power are identical. Normal, Pitch, Flop, Chip, Splash - they are all the same. The timing window scales based on shot type, but absolute perfect is the same. (just like it was in 2019)
Hooefully this info is of some use. Logged ~Senior Game Designer
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Post by bahnzo on Sept 8, 2020 17:10:38 GMT -5
Calibration is extremely simple. We take the average downswing timing of your 10 calibration swings and adjust dead perfect to the average of those swings, within an upper and lower bounds of what is an acceptable balance.In bold, something I've been telling people for a couple weeks now. And this upper/lower bounds is much too narrow IMO.
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 10, 2020 15:22:56 GMT -5
Just a note to all mouse players. You should be playing with a mouse that enables you to manually set your DPI in software provided by the manufacturer. The reason for this is that older and cheaper mice, have their DPI hard wired into the mouse and you usually can only change it by hitting a special button on the mouse. The DPI settings were often hard set at 400, 800, 1000, 1200, 2000. The problem with these mice is that the DPI was too wonky and didn't vary well with certain screen sizes. The result is people will suddenly be hitting shots super straight and failing the API. In modern times, these hard wired DPI aren't very useful because screen sizes are much larger. So if you had your mouse at 400 DPI, that meant you could move the mouse 400 pixels across your screen in one inch. On a 4k monitor that means you'd have to move your mouse 10 inches on the mouse pad to get from one side to the other. At 2000 DPI you'd only have to move it two inches. Because of the varying sizes of monitors and the ability to have more than one monitor hooked up to your computer at a time, mouse manufacturers now allow you to set your DPI yourself to fit your monitor setup. You can get mice with DPIs of 16000 or more! Basically all DPI does is set how far horizontally and vertically you can move your mouse in one inch. The lower the DPI, the less you can move it. The lower it is, the easier you can hit a ball straight. The problem is if you put your DPI too low, not only will you fail the API, you will end up with slow or very slow tempos because you can't move the mouse forward enough, quickly enough to get a perfect swing. The in game, "Mouse sensitivity" helps this to some degree by acting as an "in game" DPI. It will slow down or speed up your swing and not effect other programs on your computer, only what is happening within the golf game. So basically, you want a mouse that you can set your DPI manually. Many mice have the ability to have several DPIs be able to be set. Like mine, I have one for Golf and one for other games. I don't have to go into the software each time, I just press a button on the mouse and it switches it for me. All that being said, I personally would suggest a DPI no lower than 1200. If you are finding that you are getting too many slows, increase the mouse sensitivity. If you are getting too many fast swings, lower the sensitivity. 1200 is a good number because at that level, you are pretty much guaranteed not to fail the API due to 'straight shooting'. Yes you can go lower but you risk being Dq'd and if you reach 3, you lose any chance of playing in major or special events, so it really isn't worth it. Harsher penalties may be enacted in the future, so don't fiddle around with it too much. If anyone has questions about DPI or Mice, shoot me a message. There are really good mice out there with settable DPI for as low as 30-35 dollars. Good luck and good shooting!
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Post by credolg on Sept 10, 2020 17:03:24 GMT -5
I play at 400 dpi and 60 in game sens. Have finally got a consistent swing, nearing perfect about 4-5 out of every 9 or 10 swings. Ive put in over 100 hours on the driving range alone. The fact that you cant have a dpi of 400 without being suspicious of cheating is mind blowing to me. So now I change my whole swing just because I had to up my dpi?
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Post by Brighttail on Sept 10, 2020 17:41:30 GMT -5
I play at 400 dpi and 60 in game sens. Have finally got a consistent swing, nearing perfect about 4-5 out of every 9 or 10 swings. Ive put in over 100 hours on the driving range alone. The fact that you cant have a dpi of 400 without being suspicious of cheating is mind blowing to me. So now I change my whole swing just because I had to up my dpi? It isn't a matter of suspicion. It is a matter that after TGC 1, 2 and 2019, we have found that lower DPIs frequently fail the API because they are too straight. The best way to test this is to enter one of the exhibition tournaments TGC Tours is sponsoring and play two rounds. If your score gets pulled it is because you are shooting too straight and that is generally the result of a DPI that is too low. In the past games, a DPI of 400 I could quite literally have a dead straight swing every time, which gives us a very unfair advantage over the competition. It was because of this that HB has the 'suggested setting' at 1000. I suggest 1200 because I find that even at 1000, there are times when I'm hitting too straight. I'd rather be a little crooked than to risk being Disqualified.
Over the years all mouse users have had to adjust and play with a higher DPI due to this fact. We've all been there.
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Post by credolg on Sept 10, 2020 18:09:42 GMT -5
That is like telling professional counter strike players, or fps pro gamers to change their sens to something absurd and make their aim worse because the competition cant shoot straight enough.
IF it is such a huge advantage, I would suggest everyone to buy a PC, play on mouse, and use 400 dpi....
I hope you can see my point here. I get it, I understand the concept. But at the same time, why should someone not be able to play what they are comfortable with just because the competition cant match that level?
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Post by credolg on Sept 10, 2020 18:24:38 GMT -5
Also, in no way am I saying that I am a perfect swinger. I have am 6th in the kinetic exhibition match, and have not been taken down after playing my rounds two days ago.
I think that my swing is above average, but don't think I should be penalized for having an above average swing.
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Post by firstblitzer on Sept 10, 2020 18:29:39 GMT -5
That is like telling professional counter strike players, or fps pro gamers to change their sens to something absurd and make their aim worse because the competition cant shoot straight enough. IF it is such a huge advantage, I would suggest everyone to buy a PC, play on mouse, and use 400 dpi.... I hope you can see my point here. I get it, I understand the concept. But at the same time, why should someone not be able to play what they are comfortable with just because the competition cant match that level? Because your using mouse settings to play better, not talent, and the majority using legit controllers are being screwed over by your ability to artificially contrive straight shots, but anyway the API will deal with you and legit players won't have to concern themselves with you...
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