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Post by bahnzo on Aug 21, 2020 15:39:04 GMT -5
I downloaded and practiced a little last nite, and a little more today. Maybe a few hundred swings. Playing on Pro, I can't hit a perfect tempo at all. Maybe that's just a matter of more practice, but I'm a little worried and here's why: My swing is pretty consistent, I'm just a little on the fast side of the cone 90% of my swings. I figured if I did the swing config that would adjust it, right? But it doesn't. It's still the exact same, a little on the fast side. But if I try to slow the tempo a little, it then switches to a little slow. I maybe hit 3 perfect shots the whole time.
Any other mouse players care to share their experience? It certainly possible I need more practice, but I can't help thinking there's something not quite right with the mouse.
Also, anyone have a keyboard layout? I know there's some stuff that's not being listed/displayed on screen. Like changing golfer views while addressing the ball. ie: I like to change to that worm cam in putting to judge the break, but then switch back to putt.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 21, 2020 16:28:35 GMT -5
Working on the mouse swing and did 100 swings on pro and 100 practice swings on master. I got 1 (ONE) Perfect. I'm not sure what I'm missing. Sometimes I jam the mouse forward thinking I'll get a fast and it comes up slow. Other times I think it is slow and it comes up fast. It is very hard to try to develop a feel. Trying all sorts of combinations of DPI and Sensitivity and nothing is seeming to stick / work.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 21, 2020 17:35:28 GMT -5
Working on the mouse swing and did 100 swings on pro and 100 practice swings on master. I got 1 (ONE) Perfect. I'm not sure what I'm missing. Sometimes I jam the mouse forward thinking I'll get a fast and it comes up slow. Other times I think it is slow and it comes up fast. It is very hard to try to develop a feel. Trying all sorts of combinations of DPI and Sensitivity and nothing is seeming to stick / work. That's the exact issue I'm having, so I guess I'm a little bit glad. It seems to me there is no consistency to the tempo. I dunno if it's very sensitive or what? But I've been doing the same, tweaking DPI, sensitivity in game etc. Grrr.
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Post by Theopen on Aug 21, 2020 19:04:35 GMT -5
Same here ... sadly. It's not looking good at all for mouse users - at least compared to TGC2019. I could hit P/P nearly always in '19, but the tempo now is all over the place. I used the calibration thing twice and then hit probably 100 on the range and didn't get perfect once. I've played 7-8 rounds thus far (5 on Pro, the rest on Master), and have only hit it perfect a half-dozen times at most. There's not even much consistency a fast/slow tempo either. There really seems to be an absurdly low margin of error on the timing - in mere milliseconds.
I remember that the tempo in '19 was fairly difficult to get used to (on mouse), as well ... so, I'll keep chugging at it until I can get through career mode, but primarily based on the feedback I've seen in other threads, it doesn't look like controller users are having anywhere even close to as hard of a time adjusting (which is frustrating because that's what is going to dictate the gameplay settings here on TGCTours).
I was certainly expecting some minor adjustments, but going from 95% perfect tempo in TGC2019 to 5% perfect in 2k21 is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by hawkeye1942 on Aug 21, 2020 19:22:28 GMT -5
Glad I am not alone. I have played a bunch now and I have maybe hit 3 or 4 perfect swings in 10 rounds. I will bash balls on the range and see literally no improvement. The biggest thing is that there is no clearly identifiable solution. If I try to swing faster, my tempo is fast. I am probably at something like 90/100 shots slow, 6/100 shots fast, and 4/100 shots perfect. The feedback just is not there. I do not know what to do differently to create perfect swings.
As an aside, I am looking at this through the lens of my time on the KF tour where the winner might be -45 in TGC19. If we are all struggling equally, I am ok with the swing issue. If we quickly get back to the winner making -45, that will be tough to compete with.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 21, 2020 22:06:43 GMT -5
After playing more tonight, I'm getting a little better and able to hit a perfect every now and then. But it still feels like there is something wrong here. I can't feel any difference in my swing, and yet my tempo will be all over the place, and now it's gone from being slightly fast, to slow. Or very slow. In fact it seems that if I try to do a faster downswing, it will increase how slow it registers. I'm just shaking my head. Like Hawkeye1942 says, the feedback on why swings are differing so much is simply confusing.
And I agree, if it was the same all around then it wouldn't be so bad. But I don't think controller users are experiencing this and we are really going to be at a disadvantage unless something changes or we can understand why things are happening and adjust.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 21, 2020 22:13:30 GMT -5
Don't suppose anyone here knows how to bring up the yardage book or to get into the putt preview where we can look around the putt like we used to?
As for feed back, we get no haptic feed back. A friend on a controller shot a -4 under today, first time out and had the aids off using nothing but the haptic feed back. Jeez that is a big advantage.
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Post by sticl on Aug 21, 2020 22:22:33 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat. I was perfect/perfect on Master clubs in 2019 nearly every time.
Using the "Pro" difficulty setting in 2k21, and I get maybe 1 perfect out in a round.
I'm pretty consistently a little on the fast side, so I've just been trying to play to that.... but, I can't get rid of it no matter the shots on the range, calibration, changing DPI.
Agreed also that, when I really try to swing fast, I get slow.
My buddy plays on PC, but uses a connected XBOX controller; he is getting perfect almost every drive, and 60-70% on his iron shots using the same difficulty as me. (in 2019, he only played Pro clubs)
I think they just didn't really do enough testing and/or don't care about mouse settings. I'll probably just guy a controller to use instead.
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Post by bahnzo on Aug 22, 2020 1:14:52 GMT -5
Don't suppose anyone here knows how to bring up the yardage book or to get into the putt preview where we can look around the putt like we used to? As for feed back, we get no haptic feed back. A friend on a controller shot a -4 under today, first time out and had the aids off using nothing but the haptic feed back. Jeez that is a big advantage. I answered your questions in the other thread. I just read about how there's haptic feedback on controllers. If this can't be turned off, then IMO the power bar needs to be left on. That's a HUGE advantage for controllers over mouse users.
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Post by sticl on Aug 22, 2020 1:45:26 GMT -5
The haptic feedback CAN be turned off. It's in the options menu.
So, it all depends whether it is OFF by default in the tournments. Otherwise, that's a HUGE advantage for controller.
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Post by cliffs on Aug 22, 2020 8:21:33 GMT -5
Same boat as the rest of you. Very inconsistent. They went from playable in 2019 and listening to some saying they wanted a harder game to what we got.
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 9:40:15 GMT -5
I don't mind the difficulty provide it is the same for all platforms. I have friends on PS4 and they are struggling to. There are a few seemingly to have figured it out and that is to be expected. I hope it remains tough for everyone. I like that everything is humming along fine and suddenly one bad shot and you are in the heavy rough. You can't do what you could before which is shoot it up near the green easily for a possible birdie or save par, here you really need to get it back in play and scramble well to save the par.
That being said. I'm still trying to figure out what a perfect feels like. That is where it is lacking. If we had some feed back to show what it feels/looks like other than just seeing "perfect", we may be able to replicate it more easily.
Things I have tried is a slower backswing, with a longer follow through. A short backswing, hold and quick swing. It is rough.
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Post by cliffs on Aug 22, 2020 9:46:53 GMT -5
I just spent the last hour changing DPI settings for my mouse and I still cannot get but a few perfects out of 100s of swings, with all clubs. This is definitely a different swing which we will learn I am sure but hopefully they don't change it every new game. I also changed ingame mouse sensitivity to 100, which helped (barely)
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Post by Brighttail on Aug 22, 2020 12:50:23 GMT -5
I have spent the last hour or so on the practice range with my driver. I have yet to hit a single 'perfect' and I'm wondering if it is because of my driver's attributes? It is the default one. What I'm noticing is I have gotten many Slows and Fasts that are right on the line to being perfect. In fact I can hit that same shot many times in a row, with the result right on the Perfect "slow/fast" line. So very interesting. I decided to try a few shots at 98% power, by bringing back the distance. That little bit suddenly is giving me a few perfects. It is always in the same spot, the farthest right of the perfect cone right at the line with slow. I can't hit a perfect in any other spot. Basically that is the only spot I have ever seen a perfect, was to dial it back to 98% power and it looks like the same shot where the shot was just slightly SLOW, but because of the lesser distance, it made the perfect cone just a little wider. For a mouse user, I'm simply not seeing anything end up in the perfect cone. It is always right at the left/right edges.
For those who have hit a perfect, where is the line. Mine is always right at the perfect/slow line, never anywhere else.
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Post by chilihotkey on Aug 22, 2020 13:14:46 GMT -5
Having many of the same issues aswell, only tried master so far. especially that swings that should be fast (sometimes)turns out slow or even some very slow. assuming its because a "loss of signal"? exagerating the forward motion seem to help slightly with the surprising results, but instead add some swing cone issues instead. managed to get a few rounds just under par, but most of those were after "giving up" and just taking 2 clubs less and swing as fast as possible to hit fast hooks was enough to get some wins/results in the career to get cash to try out different clubs. with that said, it sure is realistic , it took 7 rounds in game to beat my real life result on the same day lol
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