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Post by cseanny on Aug 10, 2020 10:41:24 GMT -5
zzfr33b1rdzz In case you weren't aware!!: Keep in mind that lie %'s affect distance to the pin, and not that of the club. A 27y flop in 70%(27*.3) rough would incur an addition of 8y, while a 14y flop in 70% (14*.3) rough would only require an increase of 4y. It would NEVER be 24*.3, unless you were 24y away.
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Post by sroel908 on Aug 10, 2020 10:50:12 GMT -5
I'm noticing that the pro cutscenes in career mode have bugs in them. Hope they get ironed out before release. Here's one from a Jim Gem video that shows Billy Horschel putting for eagle on a par 3:  |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 10, 2020 10:51:25 GMT -5
zzfr33b1rdzz In case you weren't aware!!: Keep in mind that lie %'s affect distance to the pin, and not that of the club. A 27y flop in 70%(27*.3) rough would incur an addition of 8y, while a 14y flop in 70% (14*.3) rough would only require an increase of 4y. It would NEVER be 24*.3, unless you were 24y away. Lie affects carry distance of the club, right? So if a club carry was say 100 yards - and you have a 70% lie, in theory with a P/P the club would travel 70 yards. Am I not thinking of this correctly ? |
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Post by cseanny on Aug 10, 2020 11:29:49 GMT -5
If you apply 70% to every distance, then yes. Some people I've run into will continue to adjust for every distance off of the base club distance though. In other words, regardless of their distance to the pin, if they are provided with a 100y club, they will always use 100 as their multiplier.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 10, 2020 11:42:47 GMT -5
If you apply 70% to every distance, then yes. Some people I've run into will continue to adjust for every distance off of the base club distance though. In other words, regardless of their distance to the pin, if they are provided with a 100y club, they will always use 100 as their multiplier. Ok, I take into account distance to pin and ball lie - then use that to determine what club to use to get the ball to the green accounting for wind/elevation/roll-out as modifiers as well - then choose the club and hit.. I think we're talking about the same thing.. 100 yards to pin - elevated 6FT - 5MPH Headwind = need a club to go roughly 107 yards. Account for 70% heavy rough lie = I'd likely choose the 148 yard club (adjusted 70%) would yield roughly 104 yards in theory with about 3-5 yard rollout = 107 - 109 yards with a P/P.. Would just have to hit it correctly to get what I want - but that usually never happens.. LOL !! |
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Post by alexandre on Aug 10, 2020 13:36:45 GMT -5
I saw JimGem playing.
Looking at the drivers I saw some specs i don't understand.
1- Shot shaping
2- Swing plane
3- Control distance (Would it be a higher accuracy in the shot?).
Can anyone explain these items?
I'll probably buy them all, with the coins I'll earn, but until then, I'd like to know the importance of the qualities to choose from.
I privilege tranquility in swing. Then the accuracy in the distance.
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Post by cseanny on Aug 10, 2020 13:46:12 GMT -5
alexandre To my knowledge it is:
1) Distance impacts Distance ^
2) Shot shaping impacts Spin and Angle, which in turn will effect distance control and ball reaction. 3) Forgiveness impacts the size and width of the tempo, or downswing timing. 4) Swing Plane impacts the width of the white cone. 5) Distance Control impacts the length, or size of the sweet spot on your swing power bar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:47:06 GMT -5
I saw JimGem playing. Looking at the drivers I saw some specs i don't understand. 1- Shot shaping 2- Swing plane 3- Control distance (Would it be a higher accuracy in the shot?). Can anyone explain these items? I'll probably buy them all, with the coins I'll earn, but until then, I'd like to know the importance of the qualities to choose from. I privilege tranquility in swing. Then the accuracy in the distance. Shot Shaping is how much the "safe zones" are effected by changes to draw, fade, and spin. The more you use the shot shaper, the smaller the safe zones get. Swing Plane is how much wider the verticle "safe zone" is on that particular club, meaning how careful you need to be when pulling the stick back and forward. Control Distance is how wide the "safe zone" is on the power meter when pulling the club back into the target range for how hard you want to hit the shot. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:57:41 GMT -5
So in theory these longer clubs are going to make legend swing difficulty even harder to hit where you want it to go, with the attributes trade off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:15:12 GMT -5
Yes, there is no perfect club that gives you all things. If you want to hit it 295 in this new game, good luck hitting it straight. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:18:56 GMT -5
Yes, there is no perfect club that gives you all things. If you want to hit it 295 in this new game, good luck hitting it straight. ;-) Just play on easy difficulty settings  This is one part of the new game I do not like at all. I find it unrealistic and gamey (some may call it arcadey). |
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Post by greyosprey on Aug 10, 2020 14:18:59 GMT -5
Guys, you may have already seen this, but just in case some people don't frequent the HB forum..
Post by HB_CraigC 8/9/20 "...Rumble is not a restrictable difficulty feature. It is not any more of an aid than taking practice swings to find the intended power percentage, another feature that is also not restrictable. If you want to turn off rumble for yourself because you feel that's a more "pure" way to play you're free to do so.
And just to clarify something that doesn't seem to have translated from the streams - or perhaps the streams weren't watched and opinions are being made blindly. The Pro Swing Difficulty "perfect zone" is akin to the 2019 master perfect window. Depending on the club you're using it may even be smaller. The difference with 2K21 is the [grey] forgiveness zones outside are slightly more forgiving than missing perfect equally in 2019. So, in 2k21 you can expect to be offline more on Pro than 2019 Master
2K21 Master and Legend swing difficulties are both a lot harder than the 2019 Master clubs. Don't let the familiar nomenclature fool you here..."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:24:18 GMT -5
Yes, there is no perfect club that gives you all things. If you want to hit it 295 in this new game, good luck hitting it straight. ;-) Just play on easy difficulty settings This is one part of the new game I do not like at all. I find it unrealistic and gamey (some may call it arcadey). I completely disagree. "Arcadey" would refer to the game being really easy, like being able to shoot a 47 in the old Tiger Woods games because you could adjust flight and spin during the flight of the ball. LOL This game is as close to real golf as I've seen, and maybe I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, but I've played the game for several days now, and I'm enjoying the difficult of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:27:26 GMT -5
Guys, you may have already seen this, but just in case some people don't frequent the HB forum.. Post by HB_CraigC 8/9/20 "... Rumble is not a restrictable difficulty feature. It is not any more of an aid than taking practice swings to find the intended power percentage, another feature that is also not restrictable. If you want to turn off rumble for yourself because you feel that's a more "pure" way to play you're free to do so.
And just to clarify something that doesn't seem to have translated from the streams - or perhaps the streams weren't watched and opinions are being made blindly. The Pro Swing Difficulty "perfect zone" is akin to the 2019 master perfect window. Depending on the club you're using it may even be smaller. The difference with 2K21 is the [grey] forgiveness zones outside are slightly more forgiving than missing perfect equally in 2019. So, in 2k21 you can expect to be offline more on Pro than 2019 Master
2K21 Master and Legend swing difficulties are both a lot harder than the 2019 Master clubs. Don't let the familiar nomenclature fool you here..."
This ^^ I believe the 6 difficulty settings give something for everyone to enjoy! It's not my decision, but if it were me, I would either put the PGA, Euro, and KF on Legend and all of CC on Master in the new game, or bump that down one level and have it be Master and Pro. We can end this whole clubset BS that we've had to deal with the past few years and just put everybody on the same playing field, and if you're good at the game you'll rise up the ranks, and if you're not, you'll be in the lower CC levels. But at least we're all using the same foundation now, just at different difficulties as you get up the tour ranks! |
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Post by greyosprey on Aug 10, 2020 14:27:47 GMT -5
And another post on HB's forum from HB_CraigC...
Last little tidbit regarding putting is interesting.
"...Our stance is that haptic feedback indicating you are in the general area of your intent is no different than taking a practice swing and seeing where on your golfers body/where in the swing animation you are targeting your backswing transition point. You can still that target location on your golfer during your swing. You still have to perform the swing, you still have to transition at the right time... you still have to nail the downswing timing (off the green).
The putting distance control window on PRO is about 3x smaller than it was on Master in 2019... Legend is about 15x smaller..."
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