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Post by parbuster1962 on Aug 9, 2020 11:19:53 GMT -5
The best advice I can give is stop playing the TGC Tours and join some of the other societies that are a little more balanced and you can play against players of similar skill levels. I could be wrong but his point seemed to be more along the lines of, ‘why are those players not placed at a more appropriate skill level?’ From just looking at the rules for promotion in CC vs Tours, and monitoring the events the last few months, it does appear to me that it’s tougher to get promoted from CC-B and CC-A than it is from Web, and maybe even Euro. There appear to be loads of good players in the upper CC tours that have a tough time breaking through to Web. I feel that they’d do very well once they get there, too. I agree completely but if you look at even the lowest level on TGC Tours the top 10 scores are ridiculously low!! Looking at the last even the F and G Tours the winning scores were -46 and -47. The -47 score on the G Tour would have placed you in 6th Place on the A Tour. That sir is the problem with TGC Tours. There really is only a marginal difference between all the Tours and the average to slightly average player quickly looses interest. It would be wonderful if HB fixed the flawed course rating/slope rating system and you could actually create flights by handicap. TGC Tours this to do it but it's been a failure. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2020 11:23:54 GMT -5
I could be wrong but his point seemed to be more along the lines of, ‘why are those players not placed at a more appropriate skill level?’ From just looking at the rules for promotion in CC vs Tours, and monitoring the events the last few months, it does appear to me that it’s tougher to get promoted from CC-B and CC-A than it is from Web, and maybe even Euro. There appear to be loads of good players in the upper CC tours that have a tough time breaking through to Web. I feel that they’d do very well once they get there, too. I agree completely but if you look at even the lowest level on TGC Tours the top 10 scores are ridiculously low!! Looking at the last even the F and G Tours the winning scores were -46 and -47. The -47 score on the G Tour would have placed you in 6th Place on the A Tour. That sir is the problem with TGC Tours. There really is only a marginal difference between all the Tours and the average to slightly average player quickly looses interest. It would be wonderful if HB fixed the flawed course rating/slope rating system and you could actually create flights by handicap. TGC Tours this to do it but it's been a failure. Have to also consider course and conditions are much easier on the lower CC tours, it is not apple's to apple's vs. the higher tours. |
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Post by titan30003 on Aug 9, 2020 12:07:04 GMT -5
I agree completely but if you look at even the lowest level on TGC Tours the top 10 scores are ridiculously low!! Looking at the last even the F and G Tours the winning scores were -46 and -47. The -47 score on the G Tour would have placed you in 6th Place on the A Tour. That sir is the problem with TGC Tours. There really is only a marginal difference between all the Tours and the average to slightly average player quickly looses interest. It would be wonderful if HB fixed the flawed course rating/slope rating system and you could actually create flights by handicap. TGC Tours this to do it but it's been a failure. Have to also consider course and conditions are much easier on the lower CC tours, it is not apple's to apple's vs. the higher tours. I looked at the stats for Olympics, as it allows us to compare tours all playing the same course on the same conditions. I've posted the stats below (hopefully it shows up), but what it suggests to me is that TGCTours does a pretty good job of separating players by skill. The top tier and the bottom tier are separated very well, but in the middle, there is quite a bit of overlap between the skill levels (in fact, CC-A shot a bit better than Korn Ferry). This is what you would expect though. The distribution for skill level is probably close to a normal distribution. And it's very easy to separate out the tails in a normal distribution. But the vast majority of players are in the middle part of the normal distribution, and there would be much less separation between these "skill slices". So the difference between a Korn Ferry player and CC-A player (even giving Doyley and co. God like powers in separating these players by skill level) would likely be very small, which is what we see. Edit: the image isn't showing up. Here's the data for now, poorly formatted Tour PGA European Korn Ferry C-A C-B C-C C-D C-E C-F C-G C-Z Number of Players 77 40 45 49 45 41 42 55 43 54 38 Best -49 -37 -34 -35 -30 -28 -22 -31 -14 -13 -9 Worst -2 -10 4 5 26 10 8 27 29 47 82 Average -30.5 -22.7 -18.3 -18.4 -13.9 -11.2 -10.2 -6.0 1.4 6.7 20.5 Standard Deviation 9.7 6.8 8.5 8.0 10.4 8.6 7.6 11.4 10.3 10.7 18.5  ibb.co/Js5QKdD |
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Post by markwhitley77 on Aug 9, 2020 12:23:51 GMT -5
Also I would like to point out that at the lower levels the consistency isn’t the same like I’ve had a great stretch of golf and went from middle of cc-E all the way to cc-B in like 3-4 weeks but then came crashing down to earth and just finished like 150th in cc-e this past week, so in the lower levels you might have some people have a really good week then then crap the bed the next week
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Post by matthew_titots on Aug 9, 2020 12:45:50 GMT -5
I agree completely but if you look at even the lowest level on TGC Tours the top 10 scores are ridiculously low!! Looking at the last even the F and G Tours the winning scores were -46 and -47. The -47 score on the G Tour would have placed you in 6th Place on the A Tour. That sir is the problem with TGC Tours. There really is only a marginal difference between all the Tours and the average to slightly average player quickly looses interest. It would be wonderful if HB fixed the flawed course rating/slope rating system and you could actually create flights by handicap. TGC Tours this to do it but it's been a failure. Have to also consider course and conditions are much easier on the lower CC tours, it is not apple's to apple's vs. the higher tours. Completely agree. I have been playing the CC-Pro events just for fun and there’s often many players that beat me, and I’m on PGA now. |
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Post by sandsaver01 on Aug 9, 2020 14:17:53 GMT -5
Question probably for crazycanuck : one of my pet peeves is that paths, especially cart paths can never be made thinner with splines than about 10' wide. Have you tested whether that has changed in the designer? |
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Post by Crazycanuck1985 on Aug 9, 2020 14:29:45 GMT -5
Question probably for crazycanuck : one of my pet peeves is that paths, especially cart paths can never be made thinner with splines than about 10' wide. Have you tested whether that has changed in the designer? This hasn't changed and I'm finding it next to impossible to create a clean cart path without some minor bulges. It's not horrible, just a bit frustrating. I rarely use cart paths so not a huge issue. We have passed that bug/issue onto HB. |
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Post by jeffvadersith on Aug 9, 2020 15:15:16 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there has been any additions to the course designer, apart from the plants being now available for any theme? Like is there any new buildings, bridges, signs, vehicles etc? If there are any new objects any info about them would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
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Post by sandsaver01 on Aug 9, 2020 15:36:23 GMT -5
Question probably for crazycanuck : one of my pet peeves is that paths, especially cart paths can never be made thinner with splines than about 10' wide. Have you tested whether that has changed in the designer? This hasn't changed and I'm finding it next to impossible to create a clean cart path without some minor bulges. It's not horrible, just a bit frustrating. I rarely use cart paths so not a huge issue. We have passed that bug/issue onto HB. Maybe not a huge issue for you Andre   . No it really is not, except for us Lidar designers because most courses IRL have cart paths. I have taken to building them using tiny shapes to get the right width, but that makes them not very straight. |
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Post by sroel908 on Aug 9, 2020 15:58:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there has been any additions to the course designer, apart from the plants being now available for any theme? Like is there any new buildings, bridges, signs, vehicles etc? If there are any new objects any info about them would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance! Yes, there are new objects...I think a lot of new washrooms were added, some new industrial buildings, vans and more car color options, canvas fences that look more like ones you see at a real golf event on TV, etc. |
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Post by Riotous on Aug 9, 2020 19:48:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know if there has been any additions to the course designer, apart from the plants being now available for any theme? Like is there any new buildings, bridges, signs, vehicles etc? If there are any new objects any info about them would be much appreciated! Thanks in advance! Check out the first 30 minutes of Andre’s twitch video regarding the new game, he goes through every new addition in the design area |
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Post by scampi00 on Aug 9, 2020 19:55:36 GMT -5
Crazycanuck1985You had me at "heavy rough doesn't cause squiggly light rough".
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 9, 2020 20:49:04 GMT -5
Question probably for crazycanuck : one of my pet peeves is that paths, especially cart paths can never be made thinner with splines than about 10' wide. Have you tested whether that has changed in the designer? This hasn't changed and I'm finding it next to impossible to create a clean cart path without some minor bulges. It's not horrible, just a bit frustrating. I rarely use cart paths so not a huge issue. We have passed that bug/issue onto HB. Yes! If paths 1, 2, and 3 can get as thin as light rough at 1.7 that would be nice.. Now if they would only allow fence rotation in 2 planes or at least follow terrain.... |
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Post by craigc on Aug 9, 2020 21:14:52 GMT -5
Or will they deny it for 2 years and fix it in 2K23? Here's a copy and paste of my other post:
Okay this just in, the 96% is not a glitch, nor is it an exploit!!!
Twitch Prime 11BC2: See if this Set gives you 96% on slow plz lol
Twitch Prime11BC2: I really want HB to see this SLOW over and over so they fix it
hb_craigc: There's nothing to fix 11
Twitch Prime11BC2: I was half playing and half serious, but @hb_craigc Are you serious ^?
hb_craigc: If players want to go a chart out how to play courses at 96% swing power, and then are abelt o perform their swings perfectly - all the power to them. That's my personal opinion.
As stated in the stream, the top end of the Overswing meter (red section) where you hit 96% is penalizing your swing plane and your tempo. And, as such, if players feel it's easier to hit 96% in overswing w/ the input penalty opposed to hitting it 96% properly outside of the overswing with no penalty, that that was your prerogative. Not sure if this bit of information was omitted intentionally or you just missed the response... |
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Post by cseanny on Aug 9, 2020 22:39:57 GMT -5
craigc I'm a bit confused by your statement.
In twitch chat I asked about the 96% slow and if it would have overswing penalties. I thought perhaps you might have been AFK, so once I saw you posting in chat again I immediately sent you a PM asking the same question. After receiving the 2nd no response, I waited for you to continue chatting (hence, you are present and accounted for) at which point I immediately rephrased the question to Respawn in hopes that you would chime in.
Please notice you are active in chat before and after the 2nd and 3rd time the question was asked. Forgive me if I'm missing something but where is the answer?? People can continue watching from the 4h:56m mark to the end of the video and they won't find any response. Since I recorded this video today my personal Twitch PM with you is accurate in showing no response.
So then, according to your post, you're stating that a "slow" backswing which produces a 96% will indeed incur an overswing penalty? Is that correct, because it appears to be the opposite in the video.
Cheers and thanks in advance.
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. No it really is not, except for us Lidar designers because most courses IRL have cart paths. I have taken to building them using tiny shapes to get the right width, but that makes them not very straight.
