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Post by reebdoog on May 21, 2020 13:19:39 GMT -5
but why is it obvious? My point is that the reason it's obvious is to avoid bad optics. The fact that it's bad optics relies on the perception of those watching that there could be a problem. It all comes back to things being taken to seriously. I need to say that I agree. If someone outside the contest is ready to roll.. great. My issue is that there are perceptions of impropriety that keep boiling up and causing issues and this mindset is a symptom of that mindset. I'm not calling you wrong, or mayo wrong, or anyone WRONG... just saying that it goes to show the larger issue. Now you're scaring me... Preaching social philosophy and I've just noticed that your avatar looks very similar to Marx but with a bit of beard missing. Excellent form, Reeb đź‘Ź I aint a dummy. I just play one on the interwebs. |
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Post by gamesdecent on May 21, 2020 13:19:48 GMT -5
What about like a reunion episode like reality TV shows do where all the eliminated contestants come back into the same room and all the drama from the season is brought back out to center stage and then they all do commentary on the final results as they are announced? That'd be fun.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 13:20:21 GMT -5
Well I was going to let this be but I have to mention something. How can we not see that this "worry" over having a participant that could even win do a results show is just proof of the problem? For crying out loud I didn't make finals but only by a whisker. I set up the judging criteria in the WCoD contest. I created the judging sheets... would anyone like to call me into question? Why? Why not? Arielatom says it's not worth riskin, b101 talks about something being a great look, mayo talked about optics. Again...what does this say about all of this? The contests here are for FUN. They are a showcase. We have judges that aren't competitors. We have contest runners that aren't judges. How on earth would a person doing a results show who is in the contest sully anything? They aren't involved in the process at any point? The concern may seem valid but I see it as a symptom of a bigger problem. These contests have become far to serious and people seem to define their designer skill by where they finish. Is that true? Is that how this works? Not at all! It's a showcase, it's just a fun endeavor that allows folks to get competitive juices going sure, but at the end of the day it's irrelevant and just silly fun. Not only that but Dylan? (Dylan would be on the TOP of the list of folks I would trust to show absolutely NO bias of any kind in any setting. They guy abhors conflict) I know I know... doesn't matter who it is...optics. Again, this is dumb. Optics only matter if the folks watching the show BELIEVE there to be a potential problem. Unless someone is going to watch it and think "I'm getting screwed and it's because the guy that made this show is in on the fix!" there are no bad optics. Remember how I said the contests mentality needs to change? Yeah...this is part of the problem. If you want to tell me I'm wrong and show me that I am...go for it. I'm happy to be proven to be wrong. In a nut shell... we should be thinking the best of people on here, not the worst.
Keep it simple, I vote Dan.
I have no reason to believe Dylan or anyone else would show bias, We all understand the results are the results, and that is that. But after some of the reactions here in the past week, I think it's pretty clear that the current hard times are not exactly bringing out the best in us.
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Post by joegolferg on May 21, 2020 13:20:43 GMT -5
A contest on a TV, with prizes, and a wide audience...obviously Again, the fact you're comparing this to those is part of the issue. This! Think carefully about what is being said here.. |
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Post by PithyDoctorG on May 21, 2020 13:21:25 GMT -5
Reeb, my comment is simple. If we have someone who isn't a contestant (and better yet, on the judging panel) that wants and is ready to do it, it should be that person over someone who's involved. Not because I believe anyone will cheat, but because I think that's the most obvious option. I don't see how that is controversial. I can't put it any simpler than that. I should say that I can announce the results on the show, just not host it. I am so technically inept (or perhaps just lazy) that I cannot imagine doing a results show justice by myself. I also don't think I'll have enough prep time to do it alone. It would basically be my disembodied voice talking over a black screen. Somebody else would have to step up with the multimedia aspects of it. I think Dylan or Reeb or Mayday would do a great job. |
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Post by reebdoog on May 21, 2020 13:22:15 GMT -5
In a nut shell... we should be thinking the best of people on here, not the worst.
Keep it simple, I vote Dan.
I have no reason to believe Dylan or anyone else would show bias, We all understand the results are the results, and that is that. But after some of the reactions here in the past week, I think it's pretty clear that the current hard times are not exactly bringing out the best in us.
That is reasoning I can agree with. If we just do it because "Man folks are stressed!" THAT is valid reasoning and I approve. Gold star for you. |
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Post by joegolferg on May 21, 2020 13:22:52 GMT -5
What in the sam heck is going on now? Thread of the week might even top the Donald Trump thread of we're not careful... |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 13:26:00 GMT -5
Hopefully the irony meter is in full working order...
Anyway, I'd be happy to provide the picture files that were on Twitter for all of the courses to anybody doing the production if they are wanted.
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Post by lessthanbread on May 21, 2020 13:31:08 GMT -5
I'll tell you all a story: A while back playing high school baseball, our coach posted the list of kids who made the team the locker room after tryouts. A very nerve wracking time from some who knew they were on the fence and more of a whatever let's joke around and have fun feeling from those who knew they were sure to make the team (like me  . Well, one of those guys who thought he was sure to make the team decided to be the one to read the names aloud of the kids who made it... you can see where this is going. The further down the page he got, the quieter his voice became and the smile slowly drained from his face. He finally reached the bottom of the page without calling his own name. Without another word, he stormed out of the locker room with all this gear, jumped in his car, and angrily sped off with a loud squeal of his tires... only to crash his car and total it. How this relates? Not sure but this reminded me of that. |
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Post by TannerBronson on May 21, 2020 13:32:16 GMT -5
Reeb, my comment is simple. If we have someone who isn't a contestant (and better yet, on the judging panel) that wants and is ready to do it, it should be that person over someone who's involved. Not because I believe anyone will cheat, but because I think that's the most obvious option. I don't see how that is controversial. I can't put it any simpler than that. I should say that I can announce the results on the show, just not host it. I am so technically inept (or perhaps just lazy) that I cannot imagine doing a results show justice by myself. I also don't think I'll have enough prep time to do it alone. It would basically be my disembodied voice talking over a black screen. Somebody else would have to step up with the multimedia aspects of it. I think Dylan or Reeb or Mayday would do a great job. This sounds like a good middle ground. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 13:37:08 GMT -5
I'll tell you all a story: A while back playing high school baseball, our coach posted the list of kids who made the team the locker room after tryouts. A very nerve wracking time from some who knew they were on the fence and more of a whatever let's joke around and have fun feeling from those who knew they were sure to make the team (like me . Well, one of those guys who thought he was sure to make the team decided to be the one to read the names aloud of the kids who made it... you can see where this is going. The further down the page he got, the quieter his voice became and the smile slowly drained from his face. He finally reached the bottom of the page without calling his own name. Without another word, he stormed out of the locker room with all this gear, jumped in his car, and angrily sped off with a loud squeal of his tires... only to crash his car and total it. How this relates? Not sure but this reminded me of that. I think what this means is, you don't believe Dylan has any shot at winning, so he might as well announce the names.  |
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Post by ryanmcconnell on May 21, 2020 13:37:38 GMT -5
I'm down for a car wreck.
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Post by gamesdecent on May 21, 2020 13:44:57 GMT -5
Hopefully the irony meter is in full working order... Anyway, I'd be happy to provide the picture files that were on Twitter for all of the courses to anybody doing the production if they are wanted. I don't think it's irony that a person in charge stepping down would cause confusion amongst those trying to salvage the pieces. More of an expected result, really. Not an ironic one. |
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Post by lessthanbread on May 21, 2020 14:01:46 GMT -5
I'll tell you all a story: A while back playing high school baseball, our coach posted the list of kids who made the team the locker room after tryouts. A very nerve wracking time from some who knew they were on the fence and more of a whatever let's joke around and have fun feeling from those who knew they were sure to make the team (like me . Well, one of those guys who thought he was sure to make the team decided to be the one to read the names aloud of the kids who made it... you can see where this is going. The further down the page he got, the quieter his voice became and the smile slowly drained from his face. He finally reached the bottom of the page without calling his own name. Without another word, he stormed out of the locker room with all this gear, jumped in his car, and angrily sped off with a loud squeal of his tires... only to crash his car and total it. How this relates? Not sure but this reminded me of that. I think what this means is, you don't believe Dylan has any shot at winning, so he might as well announce the names. Hahahaha something like that  |
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Post by titaneddie on May 21, 2020 14:02:46 GMT -5
Somebody needs to hit up Griff to host it...after a bottle of wine of course!
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. Well, one of those guys who thought he was sure to make the team decided to be the one to read the names aloud of the kids who made it... you can see where this is going. The further down the page he got, the quieter his voice became and the smile slowly drained from his face. He finally reached the bottom of the page without calling his own name. Without another word, he stormed out of the locker room with all this gear, jumped in his car, and angrily sped off with a loud squeal of his tires... only to crash his car and total it.
