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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 6:08:19 GMT -5
Even TGC2...never had a problem with anything on that game. If you are refering to too straight; the reason for that in TGC 1 and 2 is that the game itself gave you random misses. So you could be robotic straight, and the game will miss for you. This was removed in TGC 2019, thus robotic straight is robotic straight in this game, not in TGC 2. If you are too straight according to the rules set in TGC tours, you have tested more controllers so you know it is not a faulty controller with deadzone, then perhaps it could be a point to be humble and say that "hm, perhaps my technique is too precise, so I need to change my technique?". How many ways have people come up with to shoot straight in these games through time? From my memory, it started in Links 2003 with a ruler to keep your mouse straight (still in use these days I should think) - and others found more and more ways to shoot straight - too straight.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 16, 2020 6:10:09 GMT -5
Who is Liam Griffiths (retired)? How is he 26th on the money list with $0 earnings? Who is Liam Griffiths??? Come on The GRIFFSTER! Biggest short swinger and misunderstander of the game's swing and reasons for API ever. Got DQ'd 7 times last year and eventually banned, but seems he's back on the database somehow. I doubt he'll stay there.
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Post by rob4590 on Apr 16, 2020 6:13:22 GMT -5
Who is Liam Griffiths (retired)? How is he 26th on the money list with $0 earnings? Another lovely character from PGA season 5. He was (until recently) the career API-fails leader - from memory he failed about 7/8 times in the space of 10 weeks last season, argued the toss (with everyone) about his so-called 'legitimacy' and then got banned (from the forums and the tour I thought) God knows why he's been allowed back
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 16, 2020 6:15:34 GMT -5
If I was him I would play a round of Euro which each controller and ask Admin which one passes. Then I would take that one and play a round with Bluetooth and one wired and ask which one is safer. I would also suggest he looks over the controller carefully the Chinese counterfeit are almost exact now days even the box www.ifixit.com/Guide/Difference+between+fake+and+original/125855Tyler, if you don’t mind. How many controllers have you tried that work decent? I am just curious if you have options is all. Good point on the Euro tour with all three, I'll probably do that later this week. Hopefully Jeff doesn't mind me bothering him a little bit more lol. I just own 3 DS4's which are the ones in the video and then the Scuf controller. I used to have about 10+ old beat up ones from college days I could've tested with but I traded them in to get the Scuf and a new DS4. And then I bought the gold one and the grey one in the last couple of months. Interesting on the fake controllers. These are all new from Gamestop or Target, so I would think they're good to go. But I have gotten some used ones in the past from Gamestop that had some super weird issues and wouldn't be surprised if they were fakes. So just so I'm on the same page as you here Tyler, you bought the SCUF and the red one, and then proceeded to by 2 more... What is wrong with the red one? Did you get DQ'd using that? I assume that his the one you're going to try and use moving forward. $100 + is a lot to spend when you have 2 other pads, albeit 1 of them is 3rd party modded
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 16, 2020 6:24:13 GMT -5
Who is Liam Griffiths (retired)? How is he 26th on the money list with $0 earnings? Another lovely character from PGA season 5. He was (until recently) the career API-fails leader - from memory he failed about 7/8 times in the space of 10 weeks last season, argued the toss (with everyone) about his so-called 'legitimacy' and then got banned (from the forums and the tour I thought) God knows why he's been allowed back He's got some catching up to do if he wants to regain his crown... Hrabec has beaten him in this season alone... In fact he's 4 clear now since TGC2019 came out! Maybe that's why he's back? #undisputed
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Post by t2theb2 on Apr 16, 2020 7:12:11 GMT -5
Where has everyone gone who used to speak about the golf?
Did Q school last week and got put on the euro tour. Have gone to post my scores on the thread this morning and there isnt one lol. Not one person talking about their rounds on the euro. Come on this one where the top players talk about what colour controller they have.
Bring back the characters.
Edit: My bad, just found a euro thread.
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Post by crushtastic on Apr 16, 2020 7:23:09 GMT -5
Where has everyone gone who used to speak about the golf? Did Q school last week and got put on the euro tour. Have gone to post my scores on the thread this morning and there isnt one lol. Not one person talking about their rounds on the euro. Come on this one where the top players talk about what colour controller they have. Bring back the characters. Edit: My bad, just found a euro thread. Golf? What is this golf you speak of??
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 16, 2020 7:33:34 GMT -5
Good point on the Euro tour with all three, I'll probably do that later this week. Hopefully Jeff doesn't mind me bothering him a little bit more lol. I just own 3 DS4's which are the ones in the video and then the Scuf controller. I used to have about 10+ old beat up ones from college days I could've tested with but I traded them in to get the Scuf and a new DS4. And then I bought the gold one and the grey one in the last couple of months. Interesting on the fake controllers. These are all new from Gamestop or Target, so I would think they're good to go. But I have gotten some used ones in the past from Gamestop that had some super weird issues and wouldn't be surprised if they were fakes. So just so I'm on the same page as you here Tyler, you bought the SCUF and the red one, and then proceeded to by 2 more... What is wrong with the red one? Did you get DQ'd using that? I assume that his the one you're going to try and use moving forward. $100 + is a lot to spend when you have 2 other pads, albeit 1 of them is 3rd party modded The red one was DQ'd for only putting from what I remember. I think all 3 of my pulls had putting involved while 2 of them also were flagged for approaches in addition. I'll probably stream playing with the red one going forward, although playing a few practice rounds with it today I don't know that there's too much of a difference, but a slight pull at times might save me. I got the gold one for 2K actually pretty shortly after the other 2 because the analogs on the red one stick sometimes and it bothered me, but I had always preferred more worn in controllers for TGC just for comfort/tempo purposes. The gold one was then pulled at the API so I figured I'd go try another one and bought the grey one that following week and had been using it since. FWIW I've had the Scuf Vantage since launch which was right around when TGC19 launched. I messaged Doyley to test it in an exhibition tournament out of curiosity and it was expectedly flagged so I haven't used it since for TGC obviously. But my first one broke after a little over a year so I traded in to get another one last fall.
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Post by theduke21 on Apr 16, 2020 7:44:23 GMT -5
Even TGC2...never had a problem with anything on that game. If you are refering to too straight; the reason for that in TGC 1 and 2 is that the game itself gave you random misses. So you could be robotic straight, and the game will miss for you. This was removed in TGC 2019, thus robotic straight is robotic straight in this game, not in TGC 2. If you are too straight according to the rules set in TGC tours, you have tested more controllers so you know it is not a faulty controller with deadzone, then perhaps it could be a point to be humble and say that "hm, perhaps my technique is too precise, so I need to change my technique?". How many ways have people come up with to shoot straight in these games through time? From my memory, it started in Links 2003 with a ruler to keep your mouse straight (still in use these days I should think) - and others found more and more ways to shoot straight - too straight. I think you have this a little wrong. While there were random misses in TGC1, they were called "squirts", it didn't change your feedback. That's what made them so infuriating for players. You could have a perfectly straight line on the feedback and the ball would go 10 yards right for no reason. Someone straight swinging with a script or 3rd party controller would still get "squirts" while failing the API. I also disagree with the technique part. Using a ruler is using something inhuman to help you out, completely different. Being precise is the point of the game, and using a thumb or an index finger or two thumbs or whatever isn't an unfair advantage, it's just your hand on a controller like anyone else. I think others would agree when I say I'd rather just join BCT or take a break until next game then purposely get worse at the game.
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Post by hippystein on Apr 16, 2020 9:03:57 GMT -5
I swing finger and thumb and have done since tiger woods golf on first analogue pads 19 years ago. Ive tested loads of rounds over last few years on various pads and over time outcome would be the same. If you only use one pad for golf games it grooves in a certain way due to the repitious movement back and forth over and over and over again but they develop flat spots when putting especially and your dispersion isnt as bad as if youve played 100 games on cod with it. Example. When ive been pulled most of the time its been for a few zero deviations in the putt line. I was asked if i changed pads to putt which obviously i dont but it wasnt every round it'd be a mix id be fine 1 n 2 then id have a few in r4 or vice versa. Because your not taking it back as far and slower and the pad is grooved there is a possibility when using that swing method you could get a flag. Are you intentionally cheating "No!" But your pad has developed a flat spot.
I bought a new one and used that after 2-3 months heavy golfing new pad developed a flat spot again. So bought a new one AGAIN. And my son has the hand me downs to plays fornite and the like. The last one i bought is by far the most sensitive one ive got out the box and thats the one i play with since my last pull and theres no sign of that developing a flat spot. I can shank a 6ft putt better than most if i dont concentrate .
I had a friend buy a dualshock off the shelf and try and play and after 9 holes took it back and asked for a replacement cos he had no side movement at all. Literally laser. They exchanged it and he plays down in cc somewhere but it just shows you.
What im trying to say is zero deviation on a full swing shot is nion impossible without either a faulty pad or a 3rd party or a titan.
We can all safely say this game is flawed just like the others(cant comment on 1) but tgc2 the flick shot was there still and looking back at feedback from some streams from players who have since converted to full swings you can see it. ( feedback same shape favouring either right or left of the cone.) They never fixed it they just got rid of feedback meter for others to see and went back to a straight one. The squirt is still here if you loft it it still squirts.
Where they really messed up is the mishit variation. No matter how far you miss the line right or left of the blue it only plays the edge of the circle. Thats massive it should be 20 yards right of target How far some people are missing by but its not. The game with masters clubs is broken. I like the challenge of judging the mishit in the blue line cos lets face it. I see some streams and if theres a 6 wind at 9 they leave the marker on the flag and hit it wonky whereas i have to adjust for wind and possible squirt if im lofting or delofting.
Then you get onto the wonky short swingers who because they are short swinging the api will only register where there swing finishes but if it was a full line it would be at 1 or 2 o'clock and theyd be failing the api too.
I feel for u tyler cos it stinks when you keep getting flagged for stuff your not intentionally doing but try playing another game with one of your pads and seeing if that loosens it up some!!!!
Sorry for going on! #covidmadness
Stay safe all
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Post by cseanny on Apr 16, 2020 9:08:15 GMT -5
theduke21 While my next suggested application is for course management, in your case, it could have some API benefits!! Also, there's a high skill ceiling involved in pulling it off, therefore it's not something that would make the game easier, but on the contrary, more difficult. Just sayin, it's not an abusive/exploit technique. Have you tried to deliberately mix in left side cone and right side cone ball strikes, and then, play the push or pull accordingly? Like in real golf, close your stance to enable draws, or open your stance to enable fades. When I angle the controller to the to the inside (left) my thumb pressure shifts ever so slightly and induces left side cone (within cone), and draws. Likewise, if I shift the angle of the controller to the right, the opposite is true in that I will always hit right side cone (within cone), for fades. The technique "usually" works great for avoiding nasty obstacles/OB, the only caveat being, if I accidentally hit it straight then I'm still safe (if approaching a pin), just a little bit too far away.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:28:09 GMT -5
If you are refering to too straight; the reason for that in TGC 1 and 2 is that the game itself gave you random misses. So you could be robotic straight, and the game will miss for you. This was removed in TGC 2019, thus robotic straight is robotic straight in this game, not in TGC 2. If you are too straight according to the rules set in TGC tours, you have tested more controllers so you know it is not a faulty controller with deadzone, then perhaps it could be a point to be humble and say that "hm, perhaps my technique is too precise, so I need to change my technique?". How many ways have people come up with to shoot straight in these games through time? From my memory, it started in Links 2003 with a ruler to keep your mouse straight (still in use these days I should think) - and others found more and more ways to shoot straight - too straight. I think you have this a little wrong. While there were random misses in TGC1, they were called "squirts", it didn't change your feedback. That's what made them so infuriating for players. You could have a perfectly straight line on the feedback and the ball would go 10 yards right for no reason. Someone straight swinging with a script or 3rd party controller would still get "squirts" while failing the API. I also disagree with the technique part. Using a ruler is using something inhuman to help you out, completely different. Being precise is the point of the game, and using a thumb or an index finger or two thumbs or whatever isn't an unfair advantage, it's just your hand on a controller like anyone else. I think others would agree when I say I'd rather just join BCT or take a break until next game then purposely get worse at the game. The feedback in TGC 1 and 2 shows an average. So for example, you could have short line, going zig-zag etc and it could show the line as straight and always a full line. The actual input was hidden from you. TGC tours have decided too straight is not allowed, so if your technique fails that, be it whatever technique that is, you need to adjust to play on TGC tours.
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Post by GW_Hope on Apr 16, 2020 9:32:40 GMT -5
I think you have this a little wrong. While there were random misses in TGC1, they were called "squirts", it didn't change your feedback. That's what made them so infuriating for players. You could have a perfectly straight line on the feedback and the ball would go 10 yards right for no reason. Someone straight swinging with a script or 3rd party controller would still get "squirts" while failing the API. I also disagree with the technique part. Using a ruler is using something inhuman to help you out, completely different. Being precise is the point of the game, and using a thumb or an index finger or two thumbs or whatever isn't an unfair advantage, it's just your hand on a controller like anyone else. I think others would agree when I say I'd rather just join BCT or take a break until next game then purposely get worse at the game. The feedback in TGC 1 and 2 shows an average. So for example, you could have short line, going zig-zag etc and it could show the line as straight and always a full line. The actual input was hidden from you. TGC tours have decided too straight is not allowed, so if your technique fails that, be it whatever technique that is, you need to adjust to play on TGC tours. I believe it only artificially extended a short line and that it. May be wrong but never seen that mentioned Ok I found it, yes you are correct the line is smoothed basically but straight is still straight the averages is for the display. From HB_Craig “Just to be clear, the swing input tracking between TGC2 and TGC2019 did not change. The only difference is how we display the line. 2019 shows exactly what your thumbstick did. TGC2 hid all of that and drew a line based on averages. This was a design decision to display actual input so that corrections could be made by the user, whereas in TGC2 all of that was hidden, making it harder to see what you did wrong. We did remove a number of random calculations that made it impossible to be consistent, meaning that TGC2 had more of a luck element to it than skill compared to TGC 2019, and we changed a number of elements to the entire swing input to be able to create more shot outcomes. But how we track and return swing line input, did not change. Perhaps we should have kept the exact swing line input hidden. We felt it was more beneficial to the user to see exactly what happened.”
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:04:08 GMT -5
I swing finger and thumb and have done since tiger woods golf on first analogue pads 19 years ago. Ive tested loads of rounds over last few years on various pads and over time outcome would be the same. If you only use one pad for golf games it grooves in a certain way due to the repitious movement back and forth over and over and over again but they develop flat spots when putting especially and your dispersion isnt as bad as if youve played 100 games on cod with it. Example. When ive been pulled most of the time its been for a few zero deviations in the putt line. I was asked if i changed pads to putt which obviously i dont but it wasnt every round it'd be a mix id be fine 1 n 2 then id have a few in r4 or vice versa. Because your not taking it back as far and slower and the pad is grooved there is a possibility when using that swing method you could get a flag. Are you intentionally cheating "No!" But your pad has developed a flat spot. I bought a new one and used that after 2-3 months heavy golfing new pad developed a flat spot again. So bought a new one AGAIN. And my son has the hand me downs to plays fornite and the like. The last one i bought is by far the most sensitive one ive got out the box and thats the one i play with since my last pull and theres no sign of that developing a flat spot. I can shank a 6ft putt better than most if i dont concentrate . I had a friend buy a dualshock off the shelf and try and play and after 9 holes took it back and asked for a replacement cos he had no side movement at all. Literally laser. They exchanged it and he plays down in cc somewhere but it just shows you. What im trying to say is zero deviation on a full swing shot is nion impossible without either a faulty pad or a 3rd party or a titan. We can all safely say this game is flawed just like the others(cant comment on 1) but tgc2 the flick shot was there still and looking back at feedback from some streams from players who have since converted to full swings you can see it. ( feedback same shape favouring either right or left of the cone.) They never fixed it they just got rid of feedback meter for others to see and went back to a straight one. The squirt is still here if you loft it it still squirts. Where they really messed up is the mishit variation. No matter how far you miss the line right or left of the blue it only plays the edge of the circle. Thats massive it should be 20 yards right of target How far some people are missing by but its not. The game with masters clubs is broken. I like the challenge of judging the mishit in the blue line cos lets face it. I see some streams and if theres a 6 wind at 9 they leave the marker on the flag and hit it wonky whereas i have to adjust for wind and possible squirt if im lofting or delofting. Then you get onto the wonky short swingers who because they are short swinging the api will only register where there swing finishes but if it was a full line it would be at 1 or 2 o'clock and theyd be failing the api too. I feel for u tyler cos it stinks when you keep getting flagged for stuff your not intentionally doing but try playing another game with one of your pads and seeing if that loosens it up some!!!! Sorry for going on! #covidmadness Stay safe all It is not true that misses are no more than the circle. A complete miss left or right equals roughly the same as very slow or fast tempo. With my old controller a wireless x-box 360 for PC, I compensated ca 30 yard for the pull I got with that controller.
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Post by t2theb2 on Apr 16, 2020 10:30:57 GMT -5
Has anyone played any rounds yet?
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