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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 28, 2020 12:17:17 GMT -5
Feel bad for Justin Turner. That whole thing went down so weird. I don’t understand why they don’t have test results before each game is played. Not like they don’t have the money for rapid testing.
But he should have kept his mask on after coming back out also. I *think* Dave Roberts is a cancer survivor and Turner sat right next to him and took off his mask. If that’s the case, pick another spot for the photo Justin.
Im hoping his positive test was a false one though and he hasn’t spread it to others during the celebration.
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 28, 2020 14:17:44 GMT -5
Feel bad for Justin Turner. That whole thing went down so weird. I don’t understand why they don’t have test results before each game is played. Not like they don’t have the money for rapid testing. But he should have kept his mask on after coming back out also. I *think* Dave Roberts is a cancer survivor and Turner sat right next to him and took off his mask. If that’s the case, pick another spot for the photo Justin. Im hoping his positive test was a false one though and he hasn’t spread it to others during the celebration. I'd bet money that was a false positive.... or else there was a major problem with the bubble. And he wasnt any more contagious than he was the whole day... so I have no problem with him celebrating with the team. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 28, 2020 17:25:45 GMT -5
Feel bad for Justin Turner. That whole thing went down so weird. I don’t understand why they don’t have test results before each game is played. Not like they don’t have the money for rapid testing. But he should have kept his mask on after coming back out also. I *think* Dave Roberts is a cancer survivor and Turner sat right next to him and took off his mask. If that’s the case, pick another spot for the photo Justin. Im hoping his positive test was a false one though and he hasn’t spread it to others during the celebration. I'd bet money that was a false positive.... or else there was a major problem with the bubble. And he wasnt any more contagious than he was the whole day... so I have no problem with him celebrating with the team. It’s a big problem. A really big problem, unless there is total disregard for another person’s life. Even moreso when it is your own team mates. And that’s a silly excuse not to separate after finding out. Seriously? “Oh well, may have given a potentially deadly virus to some of my teammates already, let’s put everyone else at risk too” There are also team staff, stadium workers and families of all the players on the field who were not around him during the day. He does NOT have the right to put those people’s lives in jeopardy. Some of them are older parents, older retired players etc who could have conditions that covid may kill them. Need to look past one’s self and self interest. The major problem MLB has is playing any game before having test results for that day. They should have known before getting to the ballpark. Could have avoided all of this. I don’t know how many more people need to die before this country takes this virus seriously. My wife is now looking at oxygen for life because of covid. And she was not an ICU case. She’s 55 for God’s sake. |
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 28, 2020 17:53:40 GMT -5
I'd bet money that was a false positive.... or else there was a major problem with the bubble. And he wasnt any more contagious than he was the whole day... so I have no problem with him celebrating with the team. There are also team staff, stadium workers and families of all the players on the field who were not around him during the day. The major problem MLB has is playing any game before having test results for that day. They should have known before getting to the ballpark. Could have avoided all of this. I'll start this by saying we are in 100% agreement the game should not have been played until the results of the test are in. What I quoted though isn't true Jimmy.. he was around everybody all day.. families in the clubhouse, and the hotel... same with the staff. They all road the same bus to the game, ate at the same location... you get the idea. You're telling me he instantly becomes more contagious once he, potentially, has the virus? Nothing changes with his positive test. What MLB should have done, but would never do, was immediately suspend the game when they got his result and quarantined both teams in their hotels until multiple days of no positive tests. Imagine hoo that would have looked. I'm kind of surprised MLB just didn't sit on that news and dealt with it if there was a game 7. Put yourself in his shoes.. you've been, essentially, quarantined for three weeks and then you get a positive test... I would 100% believe it to be a false positive, especially if no symptoms are attached to it. I would do the exact same thing in his situation. As his teammate, I would not have any problem with him joining us on the field. Remember, if the bubble truly held, there is an extremely small chance he has the virus.. in fact I would put the probability that it was a false positive as higher than him actually having the disease. We'll know in a few days what happens. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 28, 2020 21:50:17 GMT -5
There are also team staff, stadium workers and families of all the players on the field who were not around him during the day. The major problem MLB has is playing any game before having test results for that day. They should have known before getting to the ballpark. Could have avoided all of this. I'll start this by saying we are in 100% agreement the game should not have been played until the results of the test are in. What I quoted though isn't true Jimmy.. he was around everybody all day.. families in the clubhouse, and the hotel... same with the staff. They all road the same bus to the game, ate at the same location... you get the idea. You're telling me he instantly becomes more contagious once he, potentially, has the virus? Nothing changes with his positive test. What MLB should have done, but would never do, was immediately suspend the game when they got his result and quarantined both teams in their hotels until multiple days of no positive tests. Imagine hoo that would have looked. I'm kind of surprised MLB just didn't sit on that news and dealt with it if there was a game 7. Put yourself in his shoes.. you've been, essentially, quarantined for three weeks and then you get a positive test... I would 100% believe it to be a false positive, especially if no symptoms are attached to it. I would do the exact same thing in his situation. As his teammate, I would not have any problem with him joining us on the field. Remember, if the bubble truly held, there is an extremely small chance he has the virus.. in fact I would put the probability that it was a false positive as higher than him actually having the disease. We'll know in a few days what happens. First, all those people did not ride in one bus. Come on now. Teammates, coaches, bat boys, umpires, families, ex-players, stadium staff, etc all fit on ONE bus? No. If you’ve ever been to a ball game you know one team bus doesn’t cut it. Second, nobody here knows who he was with “all day”. I’ll go out on a limb and say it wasn’t everybody. I think I have a strong limb. If there’s a dude shooting up a theater and has already shot 20 people, you let him shoot the rest because he already shot 20. That’s the logic I’m reading here. Put myself in his shoes? Couldn’t care less about his shoes. He didn’t care about anyone else’s. I started this out by saying I felt bad for him. I did not say I’d accept excuses for his irresponsible behavior. He was told he tested positive. He should have acted accordingly for the sake of everyone there. Period. |
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Post by cliffs on Oct 29, 2020 5:43:45 GMT -5
Meanwhile back in the USA our National Guard is now Europes?
KYJOV, Czech Republic (AP) — Soldiers in Poland are giving coronavirus tests. American National Guard troops with medical training are headed to the Czech Republic to work alongside doctors there. A Czech university student is running blood samples to labs, and the mayor of the capital is taking shifts at a hospital.
With cases surging in many central European countries, firefighters, students and retired doctors are being asked to help shore up buckling health care systems.
“This is actually terrifying,” Dr. Piotr Suwalski, the head of the cardiac surgery ward at a Polish hospital said on a day when daily COVID-19 cases rose 20% nationwide. “I think if we continue to gain 20% a day, no system can withstand it."
Even before the pandemic, many countries in the region faced a tragic shortage of medical personnel due to years of underfunding in their public health sectors and an exodus of doctors and nurses to better paying jobs in Western Europe after the nations joined the European Union in 2004. Now, with the virus ripping through their hospitals, many health workers have been sickened, compounding the shortfall.
Over 13,200 medical personnel across the Czech Republic have been infected, including 6,000 nurses and 2,600 doctors, according to the doctors’ union.
It's not just clinicians these countries need. Both Poland and the Czech Republic are building field hospitals as beds fill up on wards, and authorities say there are only 12 ventilators left in all hospitals taking COVID-19 patients in the region around Warsaw, the Polish capital.
This may sound familiar, but not for these countries. Many in the region imposed tough restrictions in the spring — including sealing borders and closing schools, stores and restaurants — and saw very low infection rates even as the virus killed tens of thousands in Western Europe.
But now many central European countries are seeing an onslaught similar to the one their western neighbors experienced — and the same dire warnings.
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Post by catcherman22 on Oct 29, 2020 12:46:12 GMT -5
I'll start this by saying we are in 100% agreement the game should not have been played until the results of the test are in. What I quoted though isn't true Jimmy.. he was around everybody all day.. families in the clubhouse, and the hotel... same with the staff. They all road the same bus to the game, ate at the same location... you get the idea. You're telling me he instantly becomes more contagious once he, potentially, has the virus? Nothing changes with his positive test. What MLB should have done, but would never do, was immediately suspend the game when they got his result and quarantined both teams in their hotels until multiple days of no positive tests. Imagine hoo that would have looked. I'm kind of surprised MLB just didn't sit on that news and dealt with it if there was a game 7. Put yourself in his shoes.. you've been, essentially, quarantined for three weeks and then you get a positive test... I would 100% believe it to be a false positive, especially if no symptoms are attached to it. I would do the exact same thing in his situation. As his teammate, I would not have any problem with him joining us on the field. Remember, if the bubble truly held, there is an extremely small chance he has the virus.. in fact I would put the probability that it was a false positive as higher than him actually having the disease. We'll know in a few days what happens. First, all those people did not ride in one bus. Come on now. Teammates, coaches, bat boys, umpires, families, ex-players, stadium staff, etc all fit on ONE bus? No. If you’ve ever been to a ball game you know one team bus doesn’t cut it. Second, nobody here knows who he was with “all day”. I’ll go out on a limb and say it wasn’t everybody. I think I have a strong limb. If there’s a dude shooting up a theater and has already shot 20 people, you let him shoot the rest because he already shot 20. That’s the logic I’m reading here. Put myself in his shoes? Couldn’t care less about his shoes. He didn’t care about anyone else’s. I started this out by saying I felt bad for him. I did not say I’d accept excuses for his irresponsible behavior. He was told he tested positive. He should have acted accordingly for the sake of everyone there. Period. How does him going back out on the field after the game is over affect umpires. bat boys, ex-players, stadium staff etc? The only people he would be infecting at that point is teammates and families.. all of which he's spent 3 weeks with at the compound. Sounds like you may need to read up on your bubble info... They literally did everything together. Your theater reference is exaggerated. There would have been nobody else in the theater other than the 20 people. Again, they were quarantined for three weeks. Nobody in, nobody out. The odds of him actually contracting the virus are lower than the odds of it being a false positive. I believe he did act accordingly. Edited to add - All the other players and Dodgers families tested negative again... which makes the case even stronger it was a false positive. But like I said.. we'll know in a few days. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 29, 2020 14:12:10 GMT -5
First, all those people did not ride in one bus. Come on now. Teammates, coaches, bat boys, umpires, families, ex-players, stadium staff, etc all fit on ONE bus? No. If you’ve ever been to a ball game you know one team bus doesn’t cut it. Second, nobody here knows who he was with “all day”. I’ll go out on a limb and say it wasn’t everybody. I think I have a strong limb. If there’s a dude shooting up a theater and has already shot 20 people, you let him shoot the rest because he already shot 20. That’s the logic I’m reading here. Put myself in his shoes? Couldn’t care less about his shoes. He didn’t care about anyone else’s. I started this out by saying I felt bad for him. I did not say I’d accept excuses for his irresponsible behavior. He was told he tested positive. He should have acted accordingly for the sake of everyone there. Period. How does him going back out on the field after the game is over affect umpires. bat boys, ex-players, stadium staff etc? The only people he would be infecting at that point is teammates and families.. all of which he's spent 3 weeks with at the compound. Sounds like you may need to read up on your bubble info... They literally did everything together. Your theater reference is exaggerated. There would have been nobody else in the theater other than the 20 people. Again, they were quarantined for three weeks. Nobody in, nobody out. The odds of him actually contracting the virus are lower than the odds of it being a false positive. I believe he did act accordingly. Edited to add - All the other players and Dodgers families tested negative again... which makes the case even stronger it was a false positive. But like I said.. we'll know in a few days. Did you not see everyone on the field afterwards? It wasn’t just the players out there. “The only people he would be infecting.......”. Totally looses sight of the fact that he would be infecting people who could turn around and infect others. This is basic virus spread 101. The disregard for other people’s health is astonishing. The theater analogy never said how many were in the theater. You made that assumption even though it clearly implied more people were there. So to make that point more clear, the theater was full (85 ppl) and 20 have already been shot. So don’t do anything to mitigate the situation and let him shoot everyone else. You understand the point. If you are completely convinced that a false positive happened with Turner then you will also need to accept the fact that false negatives are also in play when they tested for the trips home. Turner and his wife did not fly back with the team. That tells me he is positive. It’s also been reported that when security told him he was positive and needed to quarantine he deliberately ignored them. Wtf? What he did was wrong. There is no way it can be spun otherwise. He put other people’s health in jeopardy - on purpose. If he had kept a mask on and even double masked this wouldn’t be the problem it is. That’s really all he had to do. Keep the mask on. |
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Post by cliffs on Oct 31, 2020 5:57:09 GMT -5
Why Jack Nicklaus likes Donald Trump’s handling of COVID-19
Per the Post, Nicklaus said it is impossible to know if anybody could have done better in Trump’s shoes — “Has he saved millions of lives or has he cost us lives? Nobody is going to know that.” — and he believes Trump has “done the best he can with the people he’s had.”
And Nicklaus cast doubt on the death totals themselves via speculation and anecdotal evidence:
“I don’t think the deaths are a correct number,” he said Friday. “I hate to say that.”
Nicklaus told a story about two people he knows whose parents died from something other than COVID and, according to Nicklaus, they were asked if the cause of death could be changed to COVID and declined.
“The hospital gets more money with COVID death than they do another death,” Nicklaus said. “I’m sure there’s been a lot of that.”
The 80-year-old Nicklaus and his wife both tested positive for COVID-19 in March. He told the Post that he experienced a sore throat and cough, while Barbara was asymptomatic. He also revealed how his case was treated:
“Sure I was concerned,” Jack said. “I took hydroxychloroquine. Gone in two days.”
Trump has endorsed hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat malaria and lupus, for months as coronavirus cure. Trump claimed in May to be taking the drug, but there was no indication the same drug was used to treat the president when he tested positive for the coronavirus last month.
LOL, all his reasons are false....
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 31, 2020 12:43:41 GMT -5
The blatant bullsht spewed by Trump that doctors are getting $2,000 for every dead covid patient is the most abhorrent, despicable, disgusting, asinine, irresponsible and dangerous purveying of misinformation I’ve ever witnessed in open public.
The fck was that sht? Seriously, WHAT THE FCK WAS THAT SHT?
He just endangered the lives every of doctor and other medical workers because there are people who believe every breadcrumb of sewage that comes out of his mouth. They will seek to act on his behalf.
If anyone in here thinks it is true, I am calling you out right here, right now, to PROVE it. Show me a doctor getting paid $2,000 for a covid death. Don’t give me some bullsht conspiracy theory website or altered photos and videos that the a$$holes at QANON uses.
SHOW ME THE MONEY. If you can’t, you owe all of our doctors a really big apology for believing that had one shred of truth to it.
Yea. That sht really triggered me and I’m proud to stand up for these doctors and the frontline workers who put their lives on the line everyday while Trump trolls mock them behind a keyboard.
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Post by cliffs on Oct 31, 2020 16:45:38 GMT -5
I hear ya Jimmy but alas there are way too many people not wearing masks and to them social distancing is for losers.
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Post by karma4u on Oct 31, 2020 17:28:10 GMT -5
The blatant bullsht spewed by Trump that doctors are getting $2,000 for every dead covid patient is the most abhorrent, despicable, disgusting, asinine, irresponsible and dangerous purveying of misinformation I’ve ever witnessed in open public. The fck was that sht? Seriously, WHAT THE FCK WAS THAT SHT? He just endangered the lives every of doctor and other medical workers because there are people who believe every breadcrumb of sewage that comes out of his mouth. They will seek to act on his behalf. If anyone in here thinks it is true, I am calling you out right here, right now, to PROVE it. Show me a doctor getting paid $2,000 for a covid death. Don’t give me some bullsht conspiracy theory website or altered photos and videos that the a$$holes at QANON uses. SHOW ME THE MONEY. If you can’t, you owe all of our doctors a really big apology for believing that had one shred of truth to it. Yea. That sht really triggered me and I’m proud to stand up for these doctors and the frontline workers who put their lives on the line everyday while Trump trolls mock them behind a keyboard. I always knew that Donald was corrupt. However, since becoming President he has shown that he is a disgusting POS who will do and say anything to retain power. His enablers, imo, are even worse because they know exactly who he is. Great post Jimmy. You the wife and family stay healthy my man. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 31, 2020 19:10:13 GMT -5
I hear ya Jimmy but alas there are way too many people not wearing masks and to them social distancing is for losers. I see them everyday. All fun and games until one of them get it and then it’s russian roulette on how it will affect you. So many accounts of people not taking it seriously until they got it. Then it’s “damn, I didn’t know”. But they did know. The world’s foremost authorities on these things told them over and over again. Their dumbasses decided to listen to a pathological liar instead of real knowledge. Chris Christie is lucky he survived .... to this point. He may have some concerns down the road (lung and heart scarring). I’ve lost all empathy for people attending those rallies and get sick. And it’s difficult to move my hippie needle to absolute zero empathy. But at some point, you reap what you sow. Stay well peeps and vote. Don’t care who ya for as long as you do it and not interject yourselves into other people’s business at the polls. Do your thing if you haven’t already. Go home and play golf  I have faith in the totality of the country’s voters to get it right this time. |
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Post by joegolferg on Nov 1, 2020 4:43:34 GMT -5
Before Covid I was certain that Trump would get his second term. I'm not so sure about that anymore, I think it's going to be one the closest we've seen in a long time.
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Post by cliffs on Nov 1, 2020 7:32:28 GMT -5
The changing of the seasons isn’t good news for public health purposes.
As the U.S. continues grappling with significant spikes in coronavirus cases, the country is now also facing flu season (from roughly November through February). To make matters worse, it’s next to impossible to distinguish the two illnesses, according to one expert.
“We’re definitely concerned about our testing capacity,” Dr. Taison Bell, an assistant professor of medicine in the infectious disease and pulmonary divisions at the University of Virginia, said on Yahoo Finance. “It is very hard to distinguish — actually impossible to distinguish — patients who have the flu versus the coronavirus versus the other respiratory illnesses that we have in the winter that all surge. So our testing capacity needs to be way greater than where it is right now.”
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