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Post by kendawgallday on Feb 25, 2020 10:19:02 GMT -5
That's fine I've read the thread but can't really do much about it when I've bought a new controller as well as tried to change my hand and thumb position...if my scores get pulled so be it nothing else I can really do...im not gonna sit here for hours at a time trying to get my swing perfectly straight when I've already done that since November of 2018 when i first joined. So I'll play like I always have until I get pulled...( btw it's not an intentional push swing it's just how I swing so i play for it thats all) and im not whining about anything I just enjoy the game and like to compete with everybody and honestly didn't know I could have an advantage like that
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Post by Demonondalinks on Feb 25, 2020 10:19:36 GMT -5
How hard is it to understand??? The game was designed for the swing to go from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock in as straight a line as possible. If you're not trying to do this then you're trying to exploit the game!! John knows the score... This is how the game was designed folks. funny that he's using the xbox1 controller. i'm on xbox1 and try to hit down the middle which happens 20% of the time to the right 60% and left 20% and P/P's are probably 50%. One round 2 weeks ago I had 7 VF downswings. So it really comes down to making long putts. Would this style of play be considered gaming the system.
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Post by kendawgallday on Feb 25, 2020 10:23:40 GMT -5
I would never cheat at a video game cuz it's not that serious to me. I just literally can't hit the ball straight lol...any advice on how to swing differently? I'm not gonna fool with it forever cuz i don't have time just trying to get ideas to see if theres any easier way to hit it fully straight cuz I haven't found one lol
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 10:26:55 GMT -5
John knows the score... This is how the game was designed folks. funny that he's using the xbox1 controller. i'm on xbox1 and try to hit down the middle which happens 20% of the time to the right 60% and left 20% and P/P's are probably 50%. One round 2 weeks ago I had 7 VF downswings. So it really comes down to making long putts. Would this style of play be considered gaming the system. That barely warrants a response, but no, of course it wouldn’t. Seems you’re trying to hit it straight and having the same issues as most of us.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 25, 2020 10:31:26 GMT -5
I would never cheat at a video game cuz it's not that serious to me. I just literally can't hit the ball straight lol...any advice on how to swing differently? I'm not gonna fool with it forever cuz i don't have time just trying to get ideas to see if theres any easier way to hit it fully straight cuz I haven't found one lol Hit the driving range until you can. Hitting it like a "slash /" wasn't how the game was meant to be played. People have taken master clubs and dumbed them down
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 10:34:19 GMT -5
I would never cheat at a video game cuz it's not that serious to me. I just literally can't hit the ball straight lol...any advice on how to swing differently? I'm not gonna fool with it forever cuz i don't have time just trying to get ideas to see if theres any easier way to hit it fully straight cuz I haven't found one lol Nobody, at any point, had called anybody a cheat in amongst all of this. It’s been a mainly civil discussion, about a fault, found and proven, that some people were unaware that they were benefiting from. There are others out there (not actually part of the discussion) that knew what the benefit was and have been profiting from it for a long time. I can’t offer any advice on how to swing better, as I wish I knew myself 😂
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Post by kendawgallday on Feb 25, 2020 10:45:04 GMT -5
Lol I'll hit the driving range and see if I can start staying in the cone better
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 25, 2020 11:04:20 GMT -5
The following applies to you and I, but is also a broad representation of the temperature of members involved in the debate, I feel. I'd welcome your feedback: • We agree the swing is broken in relation to the push? Right? I agree it is a poor design choice, along with many other aspects of the swing. I do not think it is broken in terms of a bug in the code • We don't agree on whether the use of that broken mechanic is giving people an unfair advantage, despite it just being proven? Correct? I agree that it gives an advantage in certain situations. Despite knowing about this generally for some time I only play a push on maybe 10-15% of shots where the blue bar is extremely narrow because I think it is easier to aim right at the flag most of the time.
I do not agree that this advantage is unfair, this is the type of poor word choice that leads people to feel attacked.
Banning this shot would also outlaw valid course management strategy of taking away a miss to a certain side to avoid trouble. So it is not without negative consequence to gameplay to do so. However, if a society or the tour were to decide this is not kosher and make it specifically against their rules as done with chipping on the green (or ghost balls in some cases) then I would stop playing this shot in those societies. Until then I think everyone should play the shot selection that gives them the best results.
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Post by SweetTeeBag on Feb 25, 2020 11:16:37 GMT -5
Banning this shot would also outlaw valid course management strategy of taking away a miss to a certain side to avoid trouble. So it is not without negative consequence to gameplay to do so. However, if a society or the tour were to decide this is not kosher and make it specifically against their rules as done with chipping on the green (or ghost balls in some cases) then I would stop playing this shot in those societies. Until then I think everyone should play the shot selection that gives them the best results.
Maybe a name change to donkeypusherben would be more fitting...
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 11:30:18 GMT -5
The following applies to you and I, but is also a broad representation of the temperature of members involved in the debate, I feel. I'd welcome your feedback: • We agree the swing is broken in relation to the push? Right? I agree it is a poor design choice, along with many other aspects of the swing. I do not think it is broken in terms of a bug in the code • We don't agree on whether the use of that broken mechanic is giving people an unfair advantage, despite it just being proven? Correct? I agree that it gives an advantage in certain situations. Despite knowing about this generally for some time I only play a push on maybe 10-15% of shots where the blue bar is extremely narrow because I think it is easier to aim right at the flag most of the time.
I do not agree that this advantage is unfair, this is the type of poor word choice that leads people to feel attacked.
Banning this shot would also outlaw valid course management strategy of taking away a miss to a certain side to avoid trouble. So it is not without negative consequence to gameplay to do so. However, if a society or the tour were to decide this is not kosher and make it specifically against their rules as done with chipping on the green (or ghost balls in some cases) then I would stop playing this shot in those societies. Until then I think everyone should play the shot selection that gives them the best results.
Thanks Ben There are other ways to play safe, or safeguard against a hazard on the left other than this particular tactic. The age old favourite of actually aiming a little further right could well be employed. As could playing with a bit of cut... these do however still have an element of risk attached, and also have a an uncertain outcome, just like the swing design would have intended, and just like real life. I think that almost everyone will continue to play the shot that gives them the best result. It’s unlikely to be able to be regulated, so, we have to hope that bringing it to the attention of HB will have the desired long term effect that dispersion for missing the cone should be equal or greater.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 25, 2020 11:39:24 GMT -5
At least it makes more sense to me as to why I’ve dropped 65 places in WGR! That’s something to ease my pain.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Feb 25, 2020 12:07:17 GMT -5
At least it makes more sense to me as to why I’ve dropped 65 places in WGR! That’s something to ease my pain. I thought the same...then I remembered I'm actually just sh%$ at the game these days...but it hasn't helped!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 25, 2020 12:13:21 GMT -5
At least it makes more sense to me as to why I’ve dropped 65 places in WGR! That’s something to ease my pain. I thought the same...then I remembered I'm actually just sh%$ at the game these days...but it hasn't helped! I think we're allowed to simultaneously call ourselves out for being s**t and say that half the people above us in the WGR are playing a different game to us and it's a little bit annoying
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Post by jtcurrent on Feb 25, 2020 13:00:12 GMT -5
I've changed my take on this style of swing after working on it for a bit. There are two realities to using the "push" method:
1- It completely takes away the two way miss you can experience as a straight away swinger (of the club). If I aim left and push the stick right for my swing I WILL NOT miss left. This is a huge advantage and not one intended by the developers of the game, I'm sure. 2- The amount of push ceases to matter at a point so even a miss right of the intended landing spot is hardly possible assuming the backswing is relatively straight. Again, this can't be what was intended by the developers. And why the heck does this even exist??? You miss a little right of the cone and the ball is 10 yards right. You miss as far right as possible, and the ball is 10 yards right. What???
I'm just not down for this kind of game manipulation. It completely changes the competitive balance through an exploit. I understand why people use it and I'm certainly not trying to change anyone, but it's just too bad the game isn't played on the same level for everyone. I won't stop playing the game and I won't change to the push method...but I know for certain the days of competing at the highest level, like I did in TGC1, are over. Oh well...just my thoughts.
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Post by jtcurrent on Feb 25, 2020 13:00:56 GMT -5
Banning this shot would also outlaw valid course management strategy of taking away a miss to a certain side to avoid trouble. So it is not without negative consequence to gameplay to do so. However, if a society or the tour were to decide this is not kosher and make it specifically against their rules as done with chipping on the green (or ghost balls in some cases) then I would stop playing this shot in those societies. Until then I think everyone should play the shot selection that gives them the best results.
Maybe a name change to donkeypusherben would be more fitting... Pay the man Shirley! Damn funny...
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