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Post by Generic_Casual on Feb 24, 2020 23:03:59 GMT -5
I was going to post me scores, but I see we ain't doing that this week. 😂😂
These threads are becoming gold. 😎😎
New controller is...somewhat strange. 😬😬
I'll make the cut. 😏😏
Well played and good luck! 😊😊
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 23:05:28 GMT -5
Finding some very scary things on this game this evening... This is from my "gaming twitter" yeah i think this was discussed early on in the other thread if i remember correctly. Hard to keep track at this point to be honest
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 25, 2020 0:10:11 GMT -5
Just one of those type of shots that gives an advantage over another. I remember posting a video where I could pull back my 5w, click by click and achieve a 90% power swing three times in a row. I could execute this shot on any club, including flops and chips. Basically it would have allowed me to dial in ANY power % any time I wanted to. It only took HB 2 other iterations of the game to fix it by making the mouse swing mirror the controller swing.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 25, 2020 0:29:42 GMT -5
After some more playing around I am almost convinced they have push/pull zones very similar to tempo zones. Anywhere in that zone say 11:00 to 11:55 is 5 yards, 10:00 to 11:00 is 7 yards. Have to experiment so more. Now I said 5 yards but it’s more likely and angle penalty say 5 degrees and that is how it grows with the clubs distance and half a circle works
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 25, 2020 2:00:00 GMT -5
To me the the challenge is that in fully lofted shots there is essentially zero cone. So playing for a one way miss is the same as taking advantage of the “exploit.” This is really the only situation I have ever used it but also the most valuable situation to use it. I need to loft a shot and avoid water left. Over time I notice I can aim a pretty consistent amount to the left when doing this shot to get predictable results. It’s not looking for an exploit it is just trying to manage the course and understand the pattern of my misses. I don’t see any point in going back to aiming directly at the target for these shots and having 60% of my swings miss 6 yards right and 40 % miss 6 yards left. I am still stunned that most people did not notice this before, The pattern is pretty clear if you just pay attention to where you ball lands on lofted swings and what your line looked like.
I also use push swing with driver when I want a fast downswing because it is a lot easier for me to consistently get fast tempo just slamming the stick to the upper right than it is trying to do my normal swing faster. It sort of gives me a separate muscle memory for my fast tempo swing and my perfect tempo swing, which helps avoid unintentional bad tempos. And the draw from the fast tempo almost perfectly offsets the push putting my ball on the line where I originally aimed.
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Post by rob4590 on Feb 25, 2020 2:40:46 GMT -5
Using the push/pull swing up to this point, not knowing it is a huge exploit - fair enough - can't being cheating if you (and everyone else) aren't aware you are doing anything wrong. Using the push/pull swing going forward from here, now knowing full well that it IS a massive unfair advantage = cheating, plain and simple. Anyone doing so going forward loses all respect they may have built up over the past months in this community - exactly like the flickers..... So to those who have used it - make that change, get practising on hitting the cone..... Oh and by the way - the last obvious troll / double account like the one in here was Jeff's dad......just saying.... Don't feed him folks.......
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 3:28:35 GMT -5
Using the push/pull swing up to this point, not knowing it is a huge exploit - fair enough - can't being cheating if you (and everyone else) aren't aware you are doing anything wrong. Using the push/pull swing going forward from here, now knowing full well that it IS a massive unfair advantage = cheating, plain and simple. Anyone doing so going forward loses all respect they may have built up over the past months in this community - exactly like the flickers..... So to those who have used it - make that change, get practising on hitting the cone..... Oh and by the way - the last obvious troll / double account like the one in here was Jeff's dad......just saying.... Don't feed him folks.......
Jeff’s dad uses beginners clubs!!
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Post by humanecentipede on Feb 25, 2020 3:34:52 GMT -5
Whoa, I go out of town for one week and come back to a complete sh@#show lol. So I play a pull but it’s a tiny one, half the time it doesn’t even leave the blue cone. Does that count as playing the exploit? I “miss” by hitting straight shots sometimes too. It seems like different people will have different opinions on this, but removing misses is part of golf, and I don’t feel like I hit it straight enough to be considered taking advantage of this exploit re: I miss right and left of the pin consistently.
I skimmed over the clubhouse thread and it seems like if you play a miss to an extreme there is an obvious advantage, but is there any grey area here?
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Feb 25, 2020 3:48:44 GMT -5
Yes according to the crowd here playing a pull outside the cone is an exploit
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Post by gavlaar124 on Feb 25, 2020 4:07:54 GMT -5
How hard is it to understand??? The game was designed for the swing to go from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock in as straight a line as possible. If you're not trying to do this then you're trying to exploit the game!!
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 25, 2020 4:20:58 GMT -5
Trying doing it for 1000 hours and then you find out it's wrong. It's literally my natural swing. A straight swing for me doesn't feel straight in the slightest but it feels like I have to pull my mouse down to the right and push it up to the left. It doesn't feel natural at all. IT NEVER WILL. Don't give me that CRAP that it's not natural. The first swing I took on this game had that path. So was your first thought not "that's not right, maybe I have to swing it differently?
My "natural" swing is/was almost always left of the cone.
I tried damn hard to find a method to eliminate it and still fight damn hard to stop it creeping back in (with mixed results).
I didn't lean into it knowing the further from the middle I was the less the game would punish me.
See the problem yet?
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 4:26:48 GMT -5
Yes according to the crowd here playing a pull outside the cone is an exploit I think "the crowd" here are well able to speak for themselves Ben... Regardless of your view / use of the tactic, please don't feed the pitch fork / hurt feelings movement that keeps trying to override what is essentially a discovery of a flaw in the swing, proven and presented with clear evidence. Chris is well informed and bright enough to understand the mechanic at play here, but his question, I suppose, is: When does it become an advantage? I'm not sure there's a clear line in the sand on that right now. It would mean further testing if it ever got that far. humanecentipede - There could be some tests you could perform on your own that would confirm how your swing seems to perform. If you're interested, I'll happily talk through them offline with you, or get a party chat going one night.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 4:34:40 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way... 3 total, 1 this season.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 5:18:49 GMT -5
Finding some very scary things on this game this evening... This is from my "gaming twitter" Pretty awesome isn't it? For further entertainment, use the following and set the wind to none. Just search for a course with the term "debate" - that's the one that is used to do the tests designed by materialization . Other one - us the search term "zero wind" - a fun little 9 hole green, which you can play to different flags, with different clubs, using the edge of the circle as an offset and you can see how you can slap it at each flag without paying any real attention to your swing line whatsoever. The plain swing is broke enough, but add no deviation penalty for max loft and you drop the jackpot... Broken **I know that other people playing this way pay plenty of attention to the swing line... Just the game affords you an out where it doesn't really matter, at a certain point**
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 25, 2020 5:21:31 GMT -5
How hard is it to understand??? The game was designed for the swing to go from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock in as straight a line as possible. If you're not trying to do this then you're trying to exploit the game!! John knows the score... This is how the game was designed folks.
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