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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 20:51:04 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching. If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it. It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way. Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say. An unfair advantage would mean other people are not capable of swinging like this. And again if you watch his actual gameplay, you will see that his swing has got straighter over time even though I know you dont care about that. Also you never responded to my comment about using slow swings purposely. Thats available in the game. He's playing just as honest as anyone else. Making moral arguments over a reasonable swing is a yikes I'm not really interested in arguing with you on this anymore. We don't know who you are or what tour you play on. The only thing you made clear is you seem to be close with Adam and you obviously have a pretty strong bias toward this argument. As for chips, I made it clear I didn't use the slow chip for over a year despite probably 90% of the top guys using it. Couldn't believe how easy it was when I first tried it. Most of us maybe chip 2 times a round on most courses, it's just not that big of an issue. But I'd absolutely love for it to be out of the game and there's even a tour policing that people don't use it. Made that as a point that if some of us are barely even willing to use a little tempo trick to chip the ball more consistently once or twice a round, we definitely aren't going to use a full on unnatural swing exploit used on every single swing.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 20:54:14 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching. If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it. It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way. Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say. Trying doing it for 1000 hours and then you find out it's wrong. It's literally my natural swing. A straight swing for me doesn't feel straight in the slightest but it feels like I have to pull my mouse down to the right and push it up to the left. It doesn't feel natural at all. IT NEVER WILL. Don't give me that CRAP that it's not natural. The first swing I took on this game had that path. 1. I'm not really going to even try to discuss PC or mouse swings. I have no clue how it works and haven't used a mouse for a video game since I was like 6 years old in 2000. So I really have no basis to talk about it. 2. I do find it a little strange that a few of you in the same circle/group seem to be the only ones defending this and as far as I know seem to be where this came from. Maybe I'm wrong though. Just read up on it/talked to some people about it starting today. If it was natural for all of you, it'd be an interesting coincidence.
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 24, 2020 21:00:16 GMT -5
Trying doing it for 1000 hours and then you find out it's wrong. It's literally my natural swing. A straight swing for me doesn't feel straight in the slightest but it feels like I have to pull my mouse down to the right and push it up to the left. It doesn't feel natural at all. IT NEVER WILL. Don't give me that CRAP that it's not natural. The first swing I took on this game had that path. 1. I'm not really going to even try to discuss PC or mouse swings. I have no clue how it works and haven't used a mouse for a video game since I was like 6 years old in 2000. So I really have no basis to talk about it. 2. I do find it a little strange that a few of you in the same circle/group seem to be the only ones defending this and as far as I know seem to be where this came from. Maybe I'm wrong though. Just read up on it/talked to some people about it starting today. If it was natural for all of you, it'd be an interesting coincidence. I wasn't going to post in this thread until you mentioned an unnatural swing. It's about how I hold the mouse in general. My mouse points at about "11:30" on the clock. Because of that the cursor goes left to right. It's just natural for me.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 21:08:25 GMT -5
An unfair advantage would mean other people are not capable of swinging like this. And again if you watch his actual gameplay, you will see that his swing has got straighter over time even though I know you dont care about that. Also you never responded to my comment about using slow swings purposely. Thats available in the game. He's playing just as honest as anyone else. Making moral arguments over a reasonable swing is a yikes I'm not really interested in arguing with you on this anymore. We don't know who you are or what tour you play on. The only thing you made clear is you seem to be close with Adam and you obviously have a pretty strong bias toward this argument. As for chips, I made it clear I didn't use the slow chip for over a year despite probably 90% of the top guys using it. Couldn't believe how easy it was when I first tried it. Most of us maybe chip 2 times a round on most courses, it's just not that big of an issue. But I'd absolutely love for it to be out of the game and there's even a tour policing that people don't use it. Made that as a point that if some of us are barely even willing to use a little tempo trick to chip the ball more consistently once or twice a round, we definitely aren't going to use a full on unnatural swing exploit used on every single swing. "i dont care to watch his entire gameplay....i just saw one shot he pushed some that turned out alright so it must be an exploit". Also it doesnt matter if Im close with him or not, you guys act like hes missing the target on most of his shots. Also if the swing is such an advantage, why has he only recently been placing well using it? Still takes many hours to perfect. Just because it isnt right down the center and hes outperforming you, now you want to complain about it. If he was really trying to "exploit" and take advantage of the game, why would he stream his gameplay every week and upload youtube videos? Wouldnt he want to keep his "secret" to himself?
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Feb 24, 2020 21:12:17 GMT -5
Did someone hire a personal lawyer to come in here and defend them? If so...we’ll played...?
Edit: LMAO so yea, registered 7hrs ago, something like 16 or 17 posts, and I believe (after a quick glance) all but 2 are in here. Have to keep those billables up, that’s just good representation.
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Post by searchingforthegains on Feb 24, 2020 21:23:29 GMT -5
Did someone hire a personal lawyer to come in here and defend them? If so...we’ll played...? Edit: LMAO so yea, registered 7hrs ago, something like 16 or 17 posts, and I believe (after a quick glance) all but 2 are in here. Have to keep those billables up, that’s just good representation. Yeah litigating cases on the TGC brings me in the big money. Moving into my 2nd mansion later this month. In all seriousness...I dont even know if Z3NZ agrees with what im saying. Im just here offering my opinion. I heard him talking about the thread on his stream and thats why im here
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 24, 2020 21:36:38 GMT -5
1. I'm not really going to even try to discuss PC or mouse swings. I have no clue how it works and haven't used a mouse for a video game since I was like 6 years old in 2000. So I really have no basis to talk about it. 2. I do find it a little strange that a few of you in the same circle/group seem to be the only ones defending this and as far as I know seem to be where this came from. Maybe I'm wrong though. Just read up on it/talked to some people about it starting today. If it was natural for all of you, it'd be an interesting coincidence. I wasn't going to post in this thread until you mentioned an unnatural swing. It's about how I hold the mouse in general. My mouse points at about "11:30" on the clock. Because of that the cursor goes left to right. It's just natural for me. Without getting too involved here, right handed mouse players will tend to push the mouse slightly right based their elbow/shoulder/forearm alignment. Ergonomic studies show that most mouse users tuck in their elbow closer to their body, which creates this push. I was the head of ergonomic equipment in a job for 8 years and did a lot of studying on this. To push the mouse straight up and down for something like a golf swing, you have to position your elbow away from the body, which is unnatural because when people type, their elbows are generally close to the body anyway. So I believe Virt when he says it is 'natural' for him.
That being said, when learning this game I had the same push, but at the time, I didn't think a person could play the game well using that type of swing. It is because of this I practiced my swing with my elbow away from my body. That is how I've been paying for over 4+ years.
Oh and -8 for -18 at the turn. I think that will be enough to clear that last strike. I'm surprised.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 24, 2020 21:49:29 GMT -5
Watch Z3NZ gameplay and you will see that 95% or more of his shots are still within the lines. Just because he has a 1 way miss, which any real golfer or golfer in a video game would like to have doesnt make it an exploit. If you guys think it is, you can adopt it and see if you shoot a -62. Good luck I learned by reading the thread for about 5 minutes that this is far from the point. You should check it out as well before forming an opinion on it. This guy is an Adam fan mate... people think we’re picking on him, which is far from the truth... the power of Twitch.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 24, 2020 21:59:06 GMT -5
I mean damn, it took me until last month to finally do the very slow chips and flops around the green because I was too prideful to do it until then lol i did them for a few weeks and abandoned that too. Looked too dumb Never even done an off tempo chip (on purpose)... regardless, that’s not the point at hand. Distance control is a different enabler to dispersion / repeatability... it can help people in certain situations and be a good tool but compare it to the fully lofted shot discrepancy here and the issues are poles apart.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 22:20:42 GMT -5
i did them for a few weeks and abandoned that too. Looked too dumb Never even done an off tempo chip (on purpose)... regardless, that’s not the point at hand. Distance control is a different enabler to dispersion / repeatability... it can help people in certain situations and be a good tool but compare it to the fully lofted shot discrepancy here and the issues are poles apart. The slow chip is a pretty small thing, and honestly it has its risks as well. For something like a 6 yard chip, you can hold the chip back for a few extra seconds and follow through and you'll get a higher arcing chip that'll land close to the pin and bang in some times. But you can really run some chips by with this method. I've actually been pretty bad with this method as of late and very rarely do it at this point. Feel like my speed control is way better the natural way. I also never do the slow flops. Feel like it's too risky to leave short. I'd rather use my half swings and know I'll be within 5-10 feet even if my aim is typically off because of it. But I do know from watching ghost balls that the majority of the top players do the slow chip method and try to bang in their chips aggressively. I watched Crawesy a couple weeks ago make a few chips but also knocked one 6 yard chip like 40 feet by. LOL. Made the come backer of course.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 24, 2020 22:20:45 GMT -5
Did someone hire a personal lawyer to come in here and defend them? If so...we’ll played...? Edit: LMAO so yea, registered 7hrs ago, something like 16 or 17 posts, and I believe (after a quick glance) all but 2 are in here. Have to keep those billables up, that’s just good representation. Yeah litigating cases on the TGC brings me in the big money. Moving into my 2nd mansion later this month. In all seriousness...I dont even know if Z3NZ agrees with what im saying. Im just here offering my opinion. I heard him talking about the thread on his stream and thats why im here Yes you do, as it’s discussed on his stream regularly. The pitchforks are out, aren’t they? Somebody did say they’d come in here and tear us a new one... Now if the Adam club, or anyone else that thinks this is about Adam rather than just trying to highlight a glitch in the swing that people have been using for a long time could kindly stop, take a second and give your heads a shake, it’d be much better for everybody involved. This is not about Adam. Or uncle. Or Mccreath. Or Hiro. It’s about an element of broken swing that gives an advantage over people with an equally repeatable swing in a different plane. That. Is. All.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 22:22:27 GMT -5
1. I'm not really going to even try to discuss PC or mouse swings. I have no clue how it works and haven't used a mouse for a video game since I was like 6 years old in 2000. So I really have no basis to talk about it. 2. I do find it a little strange that a few of you in the same circle/group seem to be the only ones defending this and as far as I know seem to be where this came from. Maybe I'm wrong though. Just read up on it/talked to some people about it starting today. If it was natural for all of you, it'd be an interesting coincidence. I wasn't going to post in this thread until you mentioned an unnatural swing. It's about how I hold the mouse in general. My mouse points at about "11:30" on the clock. Because of that the cursor goes left to right. It's just natural for me. Well when I say unnatural I'm speaking toward controller anyways. Just don't really have any clue how mouse swings work so I'll defer to brighttail on that one.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 22:24:02 GMT -5
I'm not really interested in arguing with you on this anymore. We don't know who you are or what tour you play on. The only thing you made clear is you seem to be close with Adam and you obviously have a pretty strong bias toward this argument. As for chips, I made it clear I didn't use the slow chip for over a year despite probably 90% of the top guys using it. Couldn't believe how easy it was when I first tried it. Most of us maybe chip 2 times a round on most courses, it's just not that big of an issue. But I'd absolutely love for it to be out of the game and there's even a tour policing that people don't use it. Made that as a point that if some of us are barely even willing to use a little tempo trick to chip the ball more consistently once or twice a round, we definitely aren't going to use a full on unnatural swing exploit used on every single swing. "i dont care to watch his entire gameplay....i just saw one shot he pushed some that turned out alright so it must be an exploit". Also it doesnt matter if Im close with him or not, you guys act like hes missing the target on most of his shots. Also if the swing is such an advantage, why has he only recently been placing well using it? Still takes many hours to perfect. Just because it isnt right down the center and hes outperforming you, now you want to complain about it. If he was really trying to "exploit" and take advantage of the game, why would he stream his gameplay every week and upload youtube videos? Wouldnt he want to keep his "secret" to himself? You're just way, way, way off on this entire comment. It's probably better if you back off of this for now and it'd probably be better for Adam too. As you've made this completely 100% about him specifically now and not the core issue.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 24, 2020 22:50:24 GMT -5
Finding some very scary things on this game this evening...
This is from my "gaming twitter"
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Feb 24, 2020 22:56:20 GMT -5
The "always swung like this" argument doesn't work. People used it for short swinging too. It's no excuse to keep knowingly do it. In my opinion this is actually worse than short swinging because it's way less natural. BY FAR. I have friends who just naturally short swung on golf games and other games that require joystick swings like MLB pitching. If I personally knew I was using a swing that exploited the game and very clearly gave me an unfair advantage I shouldn't have over 90%+ of players, I would stop using it. It's really that simple. I would feel like a POS if I was winning tournaments that way. Golf. Honesty, integrity, for the love of the game. You know, all that stuff the USGA and R&A say. Trying doing it for 1000 hours and then you find out it's wrong. It's literally my natural swing. A straight swing for me doesn't feel straight in the slightest but it feels like I have to pull my mouse down to the right and push it up to the left. It doesn't feel natural at all. IT NEVER WILL. Don't give me that CRAP that it's not natural. The first swing I took on this game had that path. Except for the bit about mouse swing, this is the exact same thing some flickers experienced when this game was new. It is how they had always done it, etc. Am not intending this as anything against you, I just read this and it sure did "ring a bell".
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