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Post by flyingj75 on Feb 28, 2020 10:49:13 GMT -5
I agree with the others that something has to be done. I don't think the worry of a few players who happen to get promoted to PGA that are exhibiting this swing should trump not acting at all. Failing to act will de-legitimize the tour even more and impact its long-term sustainability. We're seeing people turn in their cards (and I'm guessing any future donations). I would say many of us have seized donations because little has been done to combat the abuse in TGC2019. When the so-called "number one player in the World" cannot participate anymore, that says enough about the current state of things. Now we have this? Many of us had suspected things with the swing for a while - big props to Z3NZ for really bringing this to the community's attention. I'll happily pledge a donation if we take a stand on this issue. Chalk me up as another that would gladly go the donation route that I too have sadly been holding back on. I would feel compelled to go monthly if and when an attempt is made by the administration to again bring tournament play back to a fair competition. If you remember I was quite outspoken about the short/flick conundrum, even getting into a shouting match with the world #1. Since then, I have decided to allow the adults in the room to prove,plead,beg,shout,quit,investigate,etc. Props to those that really brought this to light. Props to the administration to open their ears and minds. I promise that if you implement whatever needs to be done to the API to again assure us that we are all (at least those of us that are on PS4😯) playing the same game, and yes THE GAME AS INTENDED, TGCTOURS will be the better for it. The community will be the better for it. The fight is exhausting, let's get back to fun fair competition.
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 28, 2020 10:53:02 GMT -5
So if this is going to start being enforced here are my questions: Will it only apply to drives and approaches or also putting as well? (People with the natural swing line also push/pull their putts not sure if there is any advantage doing it during putting). I assume it would cause if they have to change their swing to straight, i assume they would start putting straight. Will it be a certain percentage throughout the tournament or on a round by round basis? (swing might be off in a certain round) Will it also be enforced in promotional events where PGA, EURO, and KF tour cards are available to the top placers? Will it be enforced if the CC-A winner is using this swing (they would be promoted to the KF)? Will players on the top 3 tours who dont care about swing lines/cant hit straight shots for whatever reason be allowed to take voluntary demotions to the CC-A? (this could make it hard for new players to get on the top 3 tours if its not being enforced on the CC level) Good questions here 1. Won't apply to putting 2. haven't decided - might be similar to our current policies where it combines R1/R2 and R3/R4 together as that would probably be the easiest to code in (copy/paste and change a few values) 3. Leaning on no since the majority of people in these events are from the CC ranks - if people get to Pro tours from it they'll have to adjust once there - lesser of the two evils unfortunately (falls under the 'I'm not going to manually police it' 4. See #3 - likely no 5. Don't think we'll allow that - They are some of the best scorers in this game - sending them down to CC-A is not a solution I'm going to go with - if 95% (probably a low estimate) of our members can manage to swing inside the blue channel - I expect our push/pull golfers to be able to adapt and do so as well.
Really happy this won't apply to putting. Unlike my swings for drives and approaches......when I putt I aim in a general area and then make up my mind literally on the through swing of where it's going to go. That's really more for the big breakers but it would definitely get picked up and I don't think it's something that should be penalized lol. If anything, it's a worse way to putt but it works for me. That does make me curious though. Will it apply to chipping? In the USE video I posted I had a chip that was like 5 yds or something stupid short but I was obviously scared because I basically made a 45 degree swing to the left. Had nothing to do with gaming the system, it was just nerves getting in the way. I think I even hit it at 45%. If chipping is going to get picked up, I'd just bite the bullet and putt it because it was right off the green.
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Post by lessangster on Feb 28, 2020 11:02:06 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it.
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Post by nick80 on Feb 28, 2020 11:16:40 GMT -5
For rules to be applied they must be clearly explained.
Until now we knew that the API was used to prevent flick. ( PGA leaderboard shows limited efficiency).
We know that we must not shot too straight even without flicking or we will be punished. ok with that.
Now here comes the pull shots ban. We are talking about controlling an intention.
I already gave my opinion on it, but ok let'go for.
So I advise you to create a detailed topic with clear explanations of graphics and visual examples of swing lines. We need to know what is accepted and what is not accepted ? what kind of shots are controlled ? Because adapting my (our) swing I (we) can do it but I (we) need certainties and to not become pull shooters.
Finally, could you watch this short video and tell me if this kind of repetitive shots will pass the api ?
Or may i have to hit all over the place ?
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 28, 2020 11:20:34 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it. What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that?
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Post by lessangster on Feb 28, 2020 11:27:41 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it. What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that? We’ve established that pro clubs are very similar across the three platforms let us qualify to play on the top tours with them but no I have to use master clubs.
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Post by lessangster on Feb 28, 2020 11:28:45 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it. What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that? The admins can’t fix the flick swing or the push swing only use the api to try and weed out the people taking advantage of it.
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Post by nick80 on Feb 28, 2020 11:30:59 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it. What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that? i'm ok it's off topic You can hit pull shots on xbox But be quick cause i think it will be prohibited soon
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 28, 2020 11:33:45 GMT -5
What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that? i'm ok it's off topic You can hit pull shots on xbox But be quick cause i think it will be prohibited soon It's funny you say that, Z3nz played his push on xbox long before switching to PC and his results are almost night and day with the same swing. Xboxers just have it way worse. Would switching to pro clubs really help with the tempo issues? The switch wouldn't bother me=P
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Post by mrohde4 on Feb 28, 2020 11:36:48 GMT -5
For rules to be applied they must be clearly explained.
Until now we knew that the API was used to prevent flick. ( PGA leaderboard shows limited efficiency).
We know that we must not shot too straight even without flicking or we will be punished. ok with that.
Now here comes the pull shots ban. We are talking about controlling an intention.
I already gave my opinion on it, but ok let'go for.
So I advise you to create a detailed topic with clear explanations of graphics and visual examples of swing lines. We need to know what is accepted and what is not accepted ? what kind of shots are controlled ? Because adapting my (our) swing I (we) can do it but I (we) need certainties and to not become pull shooters.
Finally, could you watch this short video and tell me if this kind of repetitive shots will pass the api ?
Or may i have to hit all over the place ?
Simple. Get the tip in the blue channel. If you do that most of the time, you’ll be fine. If you’re able to consistently swing miles right/left, you should be able to consistently swing in the center as the tutorials instruct. If you can’t consistently swing in the center, then practice more. If you practice more and are still fed up with the inconsistency, pat yourself on the back because you’re now playing the game.
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Post by lessangster on Feb 28, 2020 11:39:23 GMT -5
What do you propose is done to fix Xbox tempo Les... really, what is your suggestion? How could admin fix that? i'm ok it's off topic You can hit pull shots on xbox But be quick cause i think it will be prohibited soon You can also use the flick swing on Xbox I’ve seen it on some streams with their short swings. 😉
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Post by lessangster on Feb 28, 2020 11:43:45 GMT -5
i'm ok it's off topic You can hit pull shots on xbox But be quick cause i think it will be prohibited soon It's funny you say that, Z3nz played his push on xbox long before switching to PC and his results are almost night and day with the same swing. Xboxers just have it way worse. Would switching to pro clubs really help with the tempo issues? The switch wouldn't bother me=P Not really you can still get a few bad tempo shots with pro clubs just today I had two very slow swings out of nowhere, one after the other and they didn’t feel that bad. Look at my stats in this weeks competition in CC-B I’m not hitting 100% FIR or GIR so pro clubs aren’t automatic. We should all play beginner clubs end of problem 😜
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Post by nick80 on Feb 28, 2020 11:44:39 GMT -5
i'm ok it's off topic You can hit pull shots on xbox But be quick cause i think it will be prohibited soon It's funny you say that, Z3nz played his push on xbox long before switching to PC and his results are almost night and day with the same swing. Xboxers just have it way worse. Would switching to pro clubs really help with the tempo issues? The switch wouldn't bother me=P Exactly ! I know cause i watched him when he was on web tour. We both reached the PGA tour by the same promotional event last year.
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 28, 2020 11:44:45 GMT -5
For rules to be applied they must be clearly explained.
Until now we knew that the API was used to prevent flick. ( PGA leaderboard shows limited efficiency).
We know that we must not shot too straight even without flicking or we will be punished. ok with that.
Now here comes the pull shots ban. We are talking about controlling an intention.
I already gave my opinion on it, but ok let'go for.
So I advise you to create a detailed topic with clear explanations of graphics and visual examples of swing lines. We need to know what is accepted and what is not accepted ? what kind of shots are controlled ? Because adapting my (our) swing I (we) can do it but I (we) need certainties and to not become pull shooters.
Finally, could you watch this short video and tell me if this kind of repetitive shots will pass the api ?
Or may i have to hit all over the place ?
Simple. Get the tip in the blue channel. If you do that most of the time, you’ll be fine. If you’re able to consistently swing miles right/left, you should be able to consistently swing in the center as the tutorials instruct. If you can’t consistently swing in the center, then practice more. If you practice more and are still fed up with the inconsistency, pat yourself on the back because you’re now playing the game. Yes, that is the easy explanation. However, there should be something that shows clearly what the expectations are so that when people have questions, we can say "refer to this thread:insert link here". The weekly tournament threads shouldn't be cluttered with all of this swing debate. It should be about the tournament. We need a black/white representation that shows everything, especially for the people that find the game and are new or find the forums and are new to them...unless people don't care about the new players....which is a vibe I get at times in here.
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Post by flyingj75 on Feb 28, 2020 11:45:31 GMT -5
Unbelievable now that you’ve discovered a swing method that puts PS4 and PC players at a disadvantage your complaining about it and looking for ways of levelling the playing field us Xbox players have been at a disadvantage since the game came out nothing was done about that because it doesn’t affect you lot but now it does your wanting something done about it. Geez you are as out of touch and helpful as ever I see. The object again, is to not look for advantages or disadvantages, the object is to be able to play the game fairly. The game on XBox plays differently, not as easy, whatever you want to call it. Nothing nobody here including administration can do about that. Nothing. Play amongst yourselves or get a damn Playstation. We get it, it's harder on XBox, that has nothing to do with the conversation.
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