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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 15:33:40 GMT -5
Good post John. Will register myself. Hopefully we can get some response.
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Post by bassman70 on Feb 26, 2020 16:20:02 GMT -5
Well, sometimes guys you just have to say you stunk it up...I STUNK IT UP!! Just struggling at the moment...hopefully better next week. Missed cut for me as I had a terrible first round. good luck all...on to next week.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 26, 2020 17:54:16 GMT -5
I just played a quick 9 on PGA National to show what kind of swing I’m working with, and for the community’s opinion of whether I’m working an exploit or not. If you have 5-10 minutes I would be grateful for some feedback. I'm absolutely not watching this video and thinking of you as some exploiter or even anything similar to that. In fact, I'm guessing there's tons of guys on Tour who probably swing like this. A few have already noted they do like Dale Brennan and others. I'm guessing you guys had that push or pull naturally, noticed it worked pretty well and started to play for it. I see no harm in that at all. If someone is pushing the ball in real life by 10 yards most swings, I'd think on the course most people would start to play for the push. But if we're making similarities, this would be like a player somehow finding out that if they just play a 15 yard push on every swing, that the ball will go around 15 yards right every single time they swing the club. It doesn't matter if they turn through the ball early and block it right, it still goes 15 yards right. It doesn't matter if they turn late and flip their wrists for a pull, it still goes around 15 yards right. That's how the broken game mechanic outside of the cone works. And that's the only core issue. I don't think this swing you have is nearly as rewarding as the full out of the cone one some use because I'd imagine you could easily still pull your swing back into the middle of the cone and get pretty penalized for it. But it does probably give a bit of an advantage still over straight swingers, although negligible I'd assume. It's hard to get mad at anyone swinging like this or even expect everyone to completely change how they swing on the basis of moral high ground or something. I think all most of us want is at least try to swing the thing around the damn cone like you're doing here. As we've seen in some videos, people are full on exploiting the hell out of the mechanic on purpose. Your swing is not one of those. Simply acknowledging that the swing is an issue is enough, and I appreciate the people looking for feedback and showcasing some examples. Like Mark said, this isn't some witch hunt. It's the ones purposely exploiting the swing while somehow still fighting back on it not being an issue or unfair advantage that are actually "dividing the community."
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2020 18:18:13 GMT -5
If we're going to police this then some people are going to have to adjust swings. We're either going to go Wild West and everyone can exploit at will or we're going to go all-in on 12-6 shooting with everyone needing to make best efforts to swing in the cone and those that can't hit the cone the majority of the time will be pulled
There's no middle ground...
Pick your poison.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 26, 2020 18:22:06 GMT -5
If we're going to police this then some people are going to have to adjust swings. We're either going to go Wild West and everyone can exploit at will or we're going to go all-in on 12-6 shooting with everyone needing to make best efforts to swing in the cone and those that can't hit the cone the majority of the time will be pulled
There's no middle ground...
Pick your poison. That's easy. The second one
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Post by bassman70 on Feb 26, 2020 18:46:05 GMT -5
What in the world is going on around here?! There is no way the above should be "policed." He's just swinging and that's just his swing line. On Masters clubs you can't keep it in the cone for the majority of swings...trust me I've tried. I just pull back and push forward and my lines are crooked, in the cone, out of the cone and mostly to the right of the cone. Can we just play the game. Enjoy the work being done here to keep this site going. This constant complaining about who's cheating, who's using a script, who found a new exploit...at this point who cares. We know there are adults (shamed to say) cheating or trying to get an "advantage." This is the nature of the beast in online gaming, or really in gaming in general. The staff has done more than enough to try and police this, but come on...just Elsa this...Let it go ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I don't know about the staff here, but I work a CRAZY amount of hours and find it a joy to come home and just play the game. I don't have time to make improvements or complain every single week. How about this to...some people are just going to suck at this game and others will be okay, and others will be really good. Isn't that the way it always is in video games? Of course it is..just like there are people who suck where you work and there are people that excel. Instead of complaining week in and week out, let's just play the game, get our PS 5's in November ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) and hope for a better golf game. Maybe we need to go back to TGC 1 where everyone always hit it straight...oh, no wait, people complained about people lofting up...SMH people. So, here's an idea...you want to complain, complain, complain...tell you what...YOU start your own TGC site, and you police it! Better yet, develop your own golf game and make it perfect..oh wait, you can't...too busy...don't know how...Then SHHHHHH!! You're going to drive the staff here crazy with all of this. Just be the better person and move on.
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Post by materialization on Feb 26, 2020 19:00:09 GMT -5
The push police are coming! Honestly I'd hate to be the one making this decision one way or the other because it's just not black or white. Wild west swings or 12-6 shooting, time for a poll? Who'd of thought someone could play the game that badly to have a round pulled, I'm actually laughing at this thought right now because it is reminding me of someone I play with.
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 26, 2020 19:15:54 GMT -5
It’s going to be great fun trying to shoot -30 to make cut.
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Post by humanecentipede on Feb 26, 2020 19:18:58 GMT -5
Even though my swing isn’t 12-6 orthodox I think we should police this exploit. I was just watching ZN’s round and he doesn’t have one shot inside the cone, not even putts. It is complicated, but some percentage of shots outside the cone should definitely be penalized. Does 50% seem like too wide a net to cast, it might pick up 12-6 guys too right?
And yeah, it is a tough decision to make.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2020 19:24:22 GMT -5
Even though my swing isn’t 12-6 orthodox I think we should police this exploit. I was just watching ZN’s round and he doesn’t have one shot inside the cone, not even putts. It is complicated, but some percentage of shots outside the cone should definitely be penalized. Does 50% seem like too wide a net to cast, it might pick up 12-6 guys too right? And yeah, it is a tough decision to make. Can you adjust your swing to get more shots in the cone?
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Post by humanecentipede on Feb 26, 2020 19:41:38 GMT -5
Even though my swing isn’t 12-6 orthodox I think we should police this exploit. I was just watching ZN’s round and he doesn’t have one shot inside the cone, not even putts. It is complicated, but some percentage of shots outside the cone should definitely be penalized. Does 50% seem like too wide a net to cast, it might pick up 12-6 guys too right? And yeah, it is a tough decision to make. Can you adjust your swing to get more shots in the cone? I’m not sure. Even when I hit putts I miss the cone sometimes, despite trying my hardest to hit it straight. And the result is a bad (awful I miss 5 footers sometimes) putt. This swing was always the best I could do, it is me, very literally, trying to hit straight. But this exploit is definitely ridiculous, and I think something should be done, but I’ll leave what up to you. I will try my best to accommodate.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2020 19:44:40 GMT -5
Can you adjust your swing to get more shots in the cone? I’m not sure. Even when I hit putts I miss the cone sometimes, despite trying my hardest to hit it straight. And the result is a bad (awful I miss 5 footers sometimes) putt. This swing was always the best I could do, it is me, very literally, trying to hit straight. But this exploit is definitely ridiculous, and I think something should be done, but I’ll leave what up to you. I will try my best to accommodate. Guess my question really is - if you intentionally swing a little more to the right - does your line go in the cone? Can you angle the controller differently etc - can you physically get the white line into the cone or is it impossible?
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Post by Generic_Casual on Feb 26, 2020 19:58:00 GMT -5
Sometimes half my line is in the cone.
The top half.
The bottom is always left of it.
Sometimes I miss left of my target.
Sometimes I stay right of target.
Sometimes I am nowhere near the cone.
Even with putts?
Got tied up playing live with Albert last night, so no video from me.
I have videos in the Show Me Yours thread.
I'll try to get another one up.
I assure you that I'm not "gaming" it.
However, people have opinions.
Fair enough.
I try to hit it straight and it is TERRIBLE.
I guess if we make the choice to pull all non-straight, then I'll be done.
No big deal really.
This place is a bunch of fun, but I refuse to try and "fix" my swing to make others happy.
I've always watched people play/swing and they look super straight.
I wish I could do the same. Really.
I play games for fun.
Not to be a chore.
If you all swing straight and miss, then how far do you miss?
I literally can't tell you how far I miss.
I play some Augusta for warm-up and then me tour rounds.
Usually.
That's it.
Maybe 5 rounds a week or a touch over.
Zero more than that.
I can't tell you how far my miss is because I just don't know.
End of the day, not going to stress over it.
The admin and everyone here are wonderful people.
All I can do is see what they decide to do.
Sorry if this post offends anybody.
It's 2020.
😊😊
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 26, 2020 20:05:28 GMT -5
If we're going to police this then some people are going to have to adjust swings. We're either going to go Wild West and everyone can exploit at will or we're going to go all-in on 12-6 shooting with everyone needing to make best efforts to swing in the cone and those that can't hit the cone the majority of the time will be pulled
There's no middle ground...
Pick your poison. What about putting the violators in their own tour flight?
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Post by materialization on Feb 26, 2020 20:07:28 GMT -5
An idea, DoyleyThe data you use for the algorithm based on shots performed by players (good and bad) over the years you were able to make a fair analysis on what should be possible and what shouldn't in terms of a straight swing. Could this same data not be used to also determine how far off the center from the good but most importantly the lesser players on average, which would be just another algorithm working independently? I mean would that not at least prevent the obscurities you see now that no doubt stand out above all other years and therefore make some reasonable assumption it was deliberate? I don't know, I mean I assume this is what you mean about there being no middle ground but this would at least be something close to a compromise that was still fair.
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