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Post by theduke21 on Feb 25, 2020 21:57:47 GMT -5
Welp, some people requested us showing using this swing if it was so easy, so here you go.
This is about an hour after I got onto the game to try this swing. Literally just one hour. -15 through 15 holes at Augusta. These swings are all over the place. Had a couple iffy shots but mostly had zero issues despite absolutely no practice swinging like this. I'm as 6-12 as 6-12 gets when I swing usually.
No clue why it uploaded at 340p, not a pleasant watch but you'll get the point.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 25, 2020 22:00:32 GMT -5
So far a disappointing 2 people have posted on HB complaining. Here is the thread started back in December. Fadge post a link to our clubhouse there but no proof of acknowledgement from HB yet. We need numbers on this one. www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,29621.0.html General-Dispersion Linear? Sorry, copy and paste link or for some reason won’t take you directly there. I feel there is very little reason to take the time and complain to HB. They have a very bad track record of fixing issues like these that aren't cosmetic or has to do with things they care about (like societies). Changes like this are more hard coded and probably requires a full rewrite of their core code. So basically if they haven't figured it out for the next game and already decided to change it, chance of it being changed are nil to zilch.
Good vid Duke. I guess we wait for the admin to make a determination. Frankly I already know that my chances to win on this tour is next to zero but with how quickly and easy it is to learn this swing and seeing the results from just a little practice, I'm sure there is going to be a fair number of people suddenly playing this way just so they can 'compete', which is a shame. I'd be very interested in knowing from the admin how many people a month from now are suddenly never hitting their shots left of center? Will there be a sudden jump of players shooting 3, 4 5 shots better per round out of the blue?
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Post by GW_Hope on Feb 25, 2020 22:05:32 GMT -5
So far a disappointing 2 people have posted on HB complaining. Here is the thread started back in December. Fadge post a link to our clubhouse there but no proof of acknowledgement from HB yet. We need numbers on this one. www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,29621.0.html General-Dispersion Linear? Sorry, copy and paste link or for some reason won’t take you directly there. I feel there is very little reason to take the time and complain to HB. They have a very bad track record of fixing issues like these that aren't cosmetic or has to do with things they care about (like societies). Changes like this are more hard coded and probably requires a full rewrite of their core code. So basically if they haven't figured it out for the next game and already decided to change it, chance of it being changed are nil to zilch. I can almost promise you if nobody complains then for sure nothing will change. It takes literally as much time as you’re reply to me to post there.
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 25, 2020 22:10:46 GMT -5
Welp, some people requested us showing using this swing if it was so easy, so here you go. This is about an hour after I got onto the game to try this swing. Literally just one hour. -15 through 15 holes at Augusta. These swings are all over the place. Had a couple iffy shots but mostly had zero issues despite absolutely no practice swinging like this. I'm as 6-12 as 6-12 gets when I swing usually. No clue why it uploaded at 340p, not a pleasant watch but you'll get the point. I think it needs time to optimize to 720 and 1080. It looks okay now. Close call there on 11! To me it’s not even about the scoring because that depends on putting but your proximity to the hole. Basically you can swing terribly and be rewarded. That’s an exploit.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 2:06:24 GMT -5
Welp, some people requested us showing using this swing if it was so easy, so here you go. This is about an hour after I got onto the game to try this swing. Literally just one hour. -15 through 15 holes at Augusta. These swings are all over the place. Had a couple iffy shots but mostly had zero issues despite absolutely no practice swinging like this. I'm as 6-12 as 6-12 gets when I swing usually. No clue why it uploaded at 340p, not a pleasant watch but you'll get the point. But you must’ve been very repeatable with that swing to do that? It takes xxxx hours to get this down!!!!! Oh... I’ll get my coat. Nice vid. I wonder how many more of us grumpy old, thick skulled witch hunters that just aren’t as skilled as so many others up here could manage to do this?
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Post by BillySastard976 on Feb 26, 2020 3:46:52 GMT -5
Where is the satisfaction for anyone playing like this? Oh, wait - the leaderboard is where the satisfaction comes in, obviously.
It really makes a mockery of the game, anyone could reasonably expect to do well with a swing which is just plain poor!
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 4:02:20 GMT -5
Where is the satisfaction for anyone playing like this? Oh, wait - the leaderboard is where the satisfaction comes in, obviously. It really makes a mockery of the game, anyone could reasonably expect to do well with a swing which is just plain poor! There’s also a world outside of these forums, Twitch, YouTube etc, whereby lots of traffic won’t be as informed on these issues, and in fact, any questioning of this is deemed to be somewhat outrageous. Everyone is wired up differently. Most people only see an informed group of grown men, with like minded competitive goals, showing up something that breaks up that competitive environment at the highest level. PS - Don’t let this put you off the Tours. There are loads of us plucking away at the core gameplay, and we all have our own rivals 👍 ‘Tis a great community, despite my best efforts to destroy it.
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Post by ClassAct147 on Feb 26, 2020 4:23:56 GMT -5
This push exploit bollocks has just about wiped out any interest I had left in this game. I wonder how many top scorers have a relatively straight swing,not many I'd bet. I'd say the majority worked out the exploit long ago and don't give a damn,it's all about winning for them. Masters clubs should always have been more penalising with anything outside the cone resulting in distance loss and in extreme circumstances a shank,forcing players to swing properly. If there is to be another version of The Golf Club (probably PS5) the new controller sensitivity settings will just about kill off any chance of a challenging fair game unfortunately.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 4:34:57 GMT -5
Well since apparently no PGA Tour players have ever streamed their rounds (not true, some of us have occasionally streamed tournaments or posted full round videos for five years now) I'm going to start streaming my rounds at twitch slash the_duke21 on turn-based with a friend of mine on Saturday nights and Sunday nights probably. Funny enough, my friend was a natural short-swinger but worked on getting to a full swing and is still on the PGA Tour. This will also give me a great platform to talk sh%$ about people and spew misinformation relentlessly without most people having to see it since that seems to be the popular thing to do. 👍👍 Sign me up for a follow Tyler. I’ll maybe play some sad violin music in the background for you if you like, just so you feel like the world is against you. Maybe make a really detailed post at the start of a thread that will spectacularly backfire on you, just to be 100% on trend. Sad times.
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Post by CuseHokie on Feb 26, 2020 4:56:19 GMT -5
Well since apparently no PGA Tour players have ever streamed their rounds (not true, some of us have occasionally streamed tournaments or posted full round videos for five years now) I'm going to start streaming my rounds at twitch slash the_duke21 on turn-based with a friend of mine on Saturday nights and Sunday nights probably. Funny enough, my friend was a natural short-swinger but worked on getting to a full swing and is still on the PGA Tour. This will also give me a great platform to talk sh%$ about people and spew misinformation relentlessly without most people having to see it since that seems to be the popular thing to do. 👍👍 Sign me up for a follow Tyler. I’ll maybe play some sad violin music in the background for you if you like, just so you feel like the world is against you. Maybe make a really detailed post at the start of a thread that will spectacularly backfire on you, just to be 100% on trend. Sad times. Don’t forget to undermine the advantage and then win with it the same week.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 26, 2020 5:13:46 GMT -5
Using the push/pull swing up to this point, not knowing it is a huge exploit - fair enough - can't being cheating if you (and everyone else) aren't aware you are doing anything wrong. Using the push/pull swing going forward from here, now knowing full well that it IS a massive unfair advantage = cheating, plain and simple. Anyone doing so going forward loses all respect they may have built up over the past months in this community - exactly like the flickers..... So to those who have used it - make that change, get practising on hitting the cone.....
This sums it up pretty nicely for me. I accept most people fell into this method by accident.
But now it's been established pretty much beyond doubt that it is giving them an advantage over the field, they have two options.
A/ Hunker down, continue to insist it's all perfectly fine and they are achieving their results through "skill" whilst the rest of consider anything they manage to achieve here to be tainted. Call us out for "sour grapes" or whatever.
B/ Pull up their big boy pants & learn to play the game the way the rest of us do. They might achieve less, but whatever they do achieve will be worth a hell of a lot more. If they are genuinely "skilled" , why wouldn't they?
Which is it going to be fellas?
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 5:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by nick80 on Feb 26, 2020 6:00:28 GMT -5
Believe the frenchy drink Moet & Chandon champagne in a glass like this one is a pure sacrilege
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Post by materialization on Feb 26, 2020 6:33:32 GMT -5
So far a disappointing 2 people have posted on HB complaining. Here is the thread started back in December. Fadge post a link to our clubhouse there but no proof of acknowledgement from HB yet. We need numbers on this one. www.hb-studios.com/forum/index.php/topic,29621.0.html General-Dispersion Linear? Sorry, copy and paste link or for some reason won’t take you directly there. I feel there is very little reason to take the time and complain to HB. They have a very bad track record of fixing issues like these that aren't cosmetic or has to do with things they care about (like societies). Changes like this are more hard coded and probably requires a full rewrite of their core code. So basically if they haven't figured it out for the next game and already decided to change it, chance of it being changed are nil to zilch.
Good vid Duke. I guess we wait for the admin to make a determination. Frankly I already know that my chances to win on this tour is next to zero but with how quickly and easy it is to learn this swing and seeing the results from just a little practice, I'm sure there is going to be a fair number of people suddenly playing this way just so they can 'compete', which is a shame. I'd be very interested in knowing from the admin how many people a month from now are suddenly never hitting their shots left of center? Will there be a sudden jump of players shooting 3, 4 5 shots better per round out of the blue?
My thinking on that is it really all depends on the programming design decisions. Certain elements/modules concerning both the swing meter and loft box are bound to be 'tightly coupled' with parts of the 'main module code' just simply because of it being such a focal fixture. But if the most logical steps were taken, this would have enough flexibility to enable small changes that would not 'break' anything else. In the main debate (where some of this should be posted anyway) ohheycat mentioned the previous updates to this game which did alter the entire swing meter mechanic quite considerably. If anyone remembers just how much loft could be applied to clubs such as a 9 Iron, it almost became redundant to carry any surrounding clubs if you could master the 'incredibly sensitive' loft box. It was also apparent that the sensitivity levels for both swing meter and loft box were adjusted during the subsequent updates. My point being is that if the correct design decisions were followed from a modern day object-oriented programming perspective, this wouldn't take a huge amount of code modification. I would of thought that by now it's down to the team behind the project, they are no longer on contract to this game, and it would require hiring them again or hiring new ones which for those in the programming sector will know just how time consuming this can be when it comes to relearning the related scripts or relying heavily on what you would HOPE to be a good source of notes accompanying the code. Finally I would say this, If hitting the cone was the way this game was meant to be played, then for goodness sake at least make this the most rewarding factor. In my opinion, some of us are just wasting energy on this topic now as we all know where the blame truly lies and that is not with each other.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 26, 2020 6:57:17 GMT -5
Believe the frenchy drink Moet & Chandon champagne in a glass like this one is a pure sacrilege I wholeheartedly agree Nick! Though I'm a bit of a neanderthal, I do know how to enjoy the finer things in life (luckily) ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) ... But, any port in a storm I suppose, hey, Lord Richard? It has to be better than sharing backwash with Jeff Goldblum
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