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Post by B.Smooth13 on Feb 28, 2020 17:42:52 GMT -5
Where do I sign up for a fan club like this, honestly it's remarkable, or is there some sort of animal that I have to sacrifice mid-twitch stream or something? I believe it's a goat to get in the dam clique... Before I start my planning, does the goat need to be conspicuously hidden in a shed with only the head poking out of a wall or window, or in the middle of a hot spring or something? Want to get it right the first time.
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Post by titaneddie on Feb 28, 2020 17:51:52 GMT -5
I believe it's a goat to get in the dam clique... Before I start my planning, does the goat need to be conspicuously hidden in a shed with only the head poking out of a wall or window, or in the middle of a hot spring or something? Want to get it right the first time. I think it's only required that you dress in pink and perform the ritual within a giant kraken.
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Post by fadgewacker on Feb 28, 2020 18:20:45 GMT -5
Before I start my planning, does the goat need to be conspicuously hidden in a shed with only the head poking out of a wall or window, or in the middle of a hot spring or something? Want to get it right the first time. I think it's only required that you dress in pink and perform the ritual within a giant kraken. Have you met Phil, my Kraken?
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Post by LKeet6 on Feb 28, 2020 18:23:08 GMT -5
You’ve never called anyone any names Aron. I’ll go no further down that rabbit hole for now. Nothing to do with you at all. Somebody else from his stream opened an account specifically to chirp up in the PGA thread to defend him... this whole “don’t pick on Adam” shite is just bloody tiresome. This has only blown up since Adam posted the videos as he essentially publicised and explained it. It was mentioned to him that his swing had been viewed that it could be deemed a glitch or an exploit. No more than that. He didn’t like it, by all accounts. He did helpfully start this thread, as it seems to me he was feeling hard done by, but all it has done is to completely confirm what was first said about the swing after it has been discussed in depth and proven, but still people think this is about him.... boggles my mind. It truly does. It’s not personal. Nobody gives a damn about Adam. It’s about making sure that the competition is as fair as possible. I have called people names in an argument before yes, but this is a discussion so I just don't get the personal attack element to your post. I'm no minion and I have always said even to Adam that the push makes the game easier. But in the comments on his YouTube video he was accused in several comments of exploiting it.....all I'm defending is that he isn't, his swing has always been that way....I can hit straight but I use finger and thumb to pull back and push through...I'm guessing just using a thumb like Adam has the tendancy to shift off centre as the angle of your hand may impact the straight swing??? Why are you getting so worked up about defending someone playing a video game, when you've specifically said it's a meaningless game that other people are getting too worked up about?? Oh, let me guess, because YOUR reasons are GOOD reasons, it's just everyone else who has the bad reasons...smh...
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Post by Trayys on Feb 28, 2020 18:36:32 GMT -5
"We'll I suck at this game, let's check this thread out to see if I can grab some ide......"
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Post by titaneddie on Feb 28, 2020 18:38:54 GMT -5
Have you met Phil, my Kraken? Yeah Barry's buddy right? Last name McCockiner.
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Post by LKeet6 on Feb 28, 2020 19:00:38 GMT -5
"We'll I suck at this game, let's check this thread out to see if I can grab some ide......" My favourite ever gif.
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Post by theduke21 on Feb 28, 2020 19:01:21 GMT -5
I think the main reason this has become more and more about Adam is because of his response to it.
In general, we've seen Sickenger, Daxon and Virt already come forward, acknowledge the issue/post videos, be transparent and move forward in potentially trying to adjust their swings. Meanwhile it seems Adam is content remaining silent on here while still streaming and completely disregarding any information that the admins here have already posted and telling his viewers that anyone opposing his opinions are basically stupid. I mean the things he's saying to people who watch him are truly mind boggling. It almost reminds me of a certain someone in the oval office, but let me not get into that here. His ability to present his opinion as fact while disregarding evidence or anyone else's viewpoint really is impressive. It's hard to believe how someone could be so close-minded. He even banned Mike in his stream last night after Mike was essentially the only one who wasn't going along with all of it.
So yeah, it's started to become a bit more about Adam. But that's because he's the only one that continues trying so hard to defend it and act as if anyone not on his side is just an idiot.
And here's the thing, I'd probably be mad if I swung like that too. I imagine Virt and Daxon and others are pretty pissed. Understandable. You now have to completely change the way you play the game all of the sudden. That truly does suck. If HB had made a competent game they would've realized right when they started playing the game that swinging out of the cone wasn't going to be a good thing and they'd have been well accustomed by now to swinging it as needed. And they're good scorers, so I'd have no doubt they'd probably be competitive at the top. But now we're a couple years in and that process will likely not be very fun.
But again, the difference is they're not fighting like hell against it and causing so many arguments because of it.
I appreciate those of you who have accepted what's happening and moved on. I'm sure you're pissed off and have every right to be. Hopefully Adam can sit back and accept some other viewpoints and evidence soon and realize this probably shouldn't be a hill for him to die on. I mean Doyley gave some crazy stories about how he's been looking at this data from the shadows for a while now while wondering what the hell was going on. Probably enough to see right there. Had a good laugh at a comment on his stream saying Doyley was changing something just to please the few of us complaining. As if Doyley has ever been influenced by people whining before. If he'd always not stood ground on his views, we'd have turned these tours into a dumpster fire by now.
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 28, 2020 19:01:28 GMT -5
End of the world? Of course not. Ruin a hobby I enjoy and have invested a lot of my time in? Absolutely. Please do not minimize my time or the time and effort of those who created and run TGCTours - as well as those who volunteer their time to help. Everything here is free of charge yet provides so much more back to its community. At the end of the first TGC game and heading into TGC2, I got together with the owners of the Swing X Swing app and we organized a tournament season that awarded a $300 Amazon gift card for the first hole in one of the day and awarded a $10,000 gift card to Carl's Golf Shop to the overall winner at season's end. It was called The Swingcast Cup. And I think there was a real trophy.... so there's that. We had fun playing this, it was a good time although the timing of it from SxS was odd. Although one of the rules for all participants was to stream your rounds so they could be verified, this is the kind of thing that will most likely prevent it from happening again. It's a shame because I think golf would be a great addition to eSports some day but that's another topic for another time. I have never said anything about the creators of the tours or anyone that helps out! I have given my free time up also to judge in the last dream team design contest, so I'm entitled to my views.....all this stupid thread has done is cause arguments over something that can't be helped....don't harass me, speak to Hb if you want it sorted. I don't get why this is such a big deal, where is the constant arguing over PS4 being easier etc. This to me seems like a witch-hunt against Adam because all of a sudden he is challenging on pc....he has streamed his rounds for a year and not one of you gave a sh%$ about his push swing when he was struggling away on Xbox......I say good luck to him because I have watched him from day 1 and his swing has always been the same so I can guarantee you that he isn't exploiting the flaw in the game. He has put so many hours into the game to get better unknowing this flaw and all he is getting now are accusations of foul play! Sour grapes I think Sorry but i don't know Adam from "Adam" as far as I know. And I'm not harassing you, that was an odd thing to say. No need to be so defensive. The entitlement of opinion is not a one way street. If you don't care, that's great. You don't need to care. You also do not need to belittle the people who do care. I have no beef with anyone here, including you. My post was to explain why it isn't "just a game" here. When we can prove fair play can be had, then it opens doors for other opportunities. Take that as you wish. I was simply providing a deeper dig into why it matters. Have a great day man.
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Feb 28, 2020 19:11:22 GMT -5
This to me seems like a witch-hunt against Adam because all of a sudden he is challenging on pc.... Yeah, of course. I've spent the last 5 years having my ass handed to me on a weekly basis by all and sundry.
But as soon as Adam starting beating me, that's when i really lost my s**t and decided he must be stopped by all means necessary.
Jesus H Christ. I had no idea narcissism was contagious
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Post by ClassAct147 on Feb 28, 2020 19:40:24 GMT -5
Perhaps the Tgc tours API adjudicator could bring in EH / The Exploiters Handicap system. Basically a one shot penalty every time a swing misses the accepted zone under the new API adjustments which are in the pipeline. Much more satisfying to see an exploited 55 become a 65 for example than withdrawing a player. I would imagine many of the swing cone avoiders would quickly find a way of keeping it in the blue..
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 28, 2020 19:46:30 GMT -5
Perhaps the Tgc tours API adjudicator could bring in EH / The Exploiters Handicap system. Basically a one shot penalty every time a swing misses the accepted zone under the new API adjustments which are in the pipeline. Much more satisfying to see an exploited 55 become a 65 for example than withdrawing a player. I would imagine many of the swing cone avoiders would quickly find a way of keeping it in the blue.. No, I would just quit. I've been pretty open about trying to swing straighter. If this was actually a thing I honestly wouldn't even try. I'm sure many wouldn't care about that but it would be a true shame.
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Post by unclevirt on Feb 28, 2020 19:52:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 20:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 28, 2020 20:26:13 GMT -5
Perhaps the Tgc tours API adjudicator could bring in EH / The Exploiters Handicap system. Basically a one shot penalty every time a swing misses the accepted zone under the new API adjustments which are in the pipeline. Much more satisfying to see an exploited 55 become a 65 for example than withdrawing a player. I would imagine many of the swing cone avoiders would quickly find a way of keeping it in the blue.. I don’t believe this can be effectively and fairly policed by anyone. The API info only provides half the story on this kind of shot. It will show us the swing path for a shot but the other half of the equation is where the aim circle is placed. We would need to know both pieces of info to have a fair determination of possible intent. I simply ask everyone to play fairly and as the game has intended. Keep the cheese for a nice bottle of wine. I know it won’t be easy for some. One thing I’ve learned over decades of gaming is that once someone learns some cheese it is like a drug addiction. Really difficult to ween off it. I hope for the best from the players because we will not get a fix from the Dev.
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