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Post by golfwolfuk on Mar 4, 2020 5:31:29 GMT -5
I mean if you live in Australia and needed a write up to tell you it was Sandbelt, I don’t really know what else needs to be said. Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. All the more reason to find out the designers intentions where possible. You know,.. we should really start posting completed course threads... oh wait.. |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Mar 4, 2020 6:18:58 GMT -5
Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. All the more reason to find out the designers intentions where possible. You know,.. we should really start posting completed course threads... oh wait.. I know some judges tried to avoid anything about the courses to keep them fresh and not to be swayed by comments from others. I personally checked the completed courses threads out so I had an idea about the courses I judged. |
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Post by b101 on Mar 4, 2020 6:26:10 GMT -5
All the more reason to find out the designers intentions where possible. You know,.. we should really start posting completed course threads... oh wait.. I know some judges tried to avoid anything about the courses to keep them fresh and not to be swayed by comments from others. I personally checked the completed courses threads out so I had an idea about the courses I judged. Yup, I can see the logic here with why you wouldn’t look at a thread. Being a newer judge is really tough, for sure. I know we’re going to be chatting about it all and think the mentoring idea David mentioned is a really good one for helping with these sorts of pointers (I.e. so, the designer is going for this look), without giving too much guidance and swaying via opinions. |
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Post by jwtexan on Mar 4, 2020 7:21:12 GMT -5
I mean if you live in Australia and needed a write up to tell you it was Sandbelt, I don’t really know what else needs to be said. Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. no no. We are assuming that someone would know the history of the best courses in their own country. Texas is a big state, and the US is even bigger, but I can tell you if someone is going for Augusta, cypress, pine valley or pinehurst straight away if they’ve done it right and golfwolf did it exactly right. Hell, the presidents cup was merely weeks before the final release deadline of this contest. That should have at least triggered something. |
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Post by Davidius74 on Mar 4, 2020 7:21:43 GMT -5
I stayed away from the completed threads so that others who played the course before me and made comments I could avoid. I wanted to look at everything nfrom a fresh perspective. Everyone will have reasons and I wasn't directing it anyone in particular but yes a mentor could have pointed that out. In hindsight I could have looked at just the first post in each thread but with 32 threads and time being limited. ( I only get a couple hours to play each night after wife and kids have gone to bed). You don't always have time to look at ALL the threads in here.
I know for future judging to get an idea of what designer is going for.
I play real golf but I don't watch it on tv or know enough about courses overseas so any designer saying they are going for a certain look means little to me. Kind of like everyone mentioning template holes. Again it comes down to time management and not having enough to do all that research. If I did all that we would probably still be waiting for group results instead of being at semi finals.
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Post by Davidius74 on Mar 4, 2020 7:31:59 GMT -5
Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. no no. We are assuming that you’d know the history of the best courses in your own country. Texas is a big state, and the US is even bigger, but I can tell you if someone is going for Augusta, cypress, pine valley or pinehurst straight away if they’ve done it right and golfwolf did it exactly right. Hell, the presidents cup was merely weeks before the final release deadline of this contest. That should have at least triggered something. I do not watch golf at all. And if wasn't for Tiger coming back I wouldn't even know who plays professionally. Playing on a game and actually going out and playing is one thing but none of you can assume that everyone here watches the golf channel and can tell you everything about every single course in the world. Besides we don't have a dedicated golf channel here in Australia and this is just a hobby for me. You are making me feel worthless and wish I was not part of the group. I know I have some support from some people but a couple of people in these results threads have made my wish I not only agreed to judge but that I never even joined tgctours. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 4, 2020 7:34:30 GMT -5
Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. no no. We are assuming that someone would know the history of the best courses in their own country. Texas is a big state, and the US is even bigger, but I can tell you if someone is going for Augusta, cypress, pine valley or pinehurst straight away if they’ve done it right and golfwolf did it exactly right. Hell, the presidents cup was merely weeks before the final release deadline of this contest. That should have at least triggered something. I've been asked a few times to be a judge and come very close to accepting. I have a good general knowledge of golf course strategy and the famous courses, but "knowing the history of courses in my country" (what about if the course is based on one NOT in your country?) Is definitely beyond me. So I know now I probably shouldn't ever accept that invitation... |
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Post by Davidius74 on Mar 4, 2020 7:38:58 GMT -5
I know I won't ever again. Was going to judge more in future as it was a good experience but not anymore.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Mar 4, 2020 7:42:12 GMT -5
Australia is a big country and you are assuming that everyone who plays the game follows golf in real life. no no. We are assuming that someone would know the history of the best courses in their own country. Texas is a big state, and the US is even bigger, but I can tell you if someone is going for Augusta, cypress, pine valley or pinehurst straight away if they’ve done it right and golfwolf did it exactly right. Hell, the presidents cup was merely weeks before the final release deadline of this contest. That should have at least triggered something. I probably don't know enough about courses to tell you if a course in the game was based on it as I don't watch golf. I think this means I'm not an ideal judge but I signed up as I thought I should take a turn on the other side of a contest. I've learned a few lessons from doing this and I don't think I'll be sacrificing my time for it in the future. |
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Post by ryanmcconnell on Mar 4, 2020 8:08:33 GMT -5
Well, at the end of the day, it is a design contest. If you have no experience or background in it, or worse yet, no intention of educating yourself, then you probably shouldn’t be a judge.
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Mar 4, 2020 8:15:17 GMT -5
Well, at the end of the day, it is a design contest. If you have no experience or background in it, or worse yet, no intention of educating yourself, then you probably shouldn’t be a judge. No problem I won't waste my time with any of the contests and leave you all to slap each other back and attack folk. |
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Post by ryanmcconnell on Mar 4, 2020 8:22:36 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how devalued common sense is around here.
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 4, 2020 8:41:02 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how devalued common sense is around here. Has it EVER been said that people should have in depth knowledge of golf course design and history to be a judge in these contests?? Because the person who messaged me didn't say ANYTHING like that. I've not seen it listed ANYWHERE in the threads about contests. I've not seen ANYONE talk about it in the competition threads. But it's obvious "common sense," ok... |
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Post by ryanmcconnell on Mar 4, 2020 8:54:02 GMT -5
It never ceases to amaze me how devalued common sense is around here. Has it EVER been said that people should have in depth knowledge of golf course design and history to be a judge in these contests?? Because the person who messaged me didn't say ANYTHING like that. I've not seen it listed ANYWHERE in the threads about contests. I've not seen ANYONE talk about it in the competition threads. But it's obvious "common sense," ok... You’re right. It is not your fault some inept judges were selected. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Mar 4, 2020 9:02:06 GMT -5
Has it EVER been said that people should have in depth knowledge of golf course design and history to be a judge in these contests?? Because the person who messaged me didn't say ANYTHING like that. I've not seen it listed ANYWHERE in the threads about contests. I've not seen ANYONE talk about it in the competition threads. But it's obvious "common sense," ok... You’re right. It is not your fault some inept judges were selected. Your really arrogant and dismissive tone won't help solve this issue. I don't even agree with you either, so there's that too... |
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