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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 11, 2019 2:42:07 GMT -5
Thank you and paulus for the explanation. I suspected it couldn't be so easy  I'm anyway a bit skeptic about the fact that someone can take this advantage being not aware of doing something wrong. I mean..if someone realize that he's using a swing that allows to his ball to be always straight..there's no need to be De Coubertin to suspect that is a cheat. And this simply cause even someone with a IQ of 16, after 100 rounds, starts to understand how wind, slopes, distance and lie works, more or less. So the challenge, in this game, is EXACTLY to read all these things AND to hit always straight the ball in the same time. Without this, where is the challenge? And I also will never trust who says "yes but this is my natural swing". These are bullsh!Ts, for me. I bet that 100 players on 100 who takes in their hands for the first time a controller to hit a ball in any game of golf, will never try how could ever work a crooked short swing. It can happens only for a mistake. But if someone starts to use it until it became his "natural swing", it can be just for one reason : He's no good enough to play the game and, being a sad puppet who can't accept to lose, decided to gain this ridiculous advantage. There is not the shadow of innocence, here. Never. Is for this that I'm so pissed against who plays in this way. Is an insult to the hard work of every player to improve. And to a game BASED on fair play. Much more than any other, probably. Is for this. I can 1000% tell you that it is my natural swing. It was never an advantage, nor even known in TGC1 or TGC2. It only crept up in TGC2019. My very first round was an extremely good score and I had short swings in that round. I mentioned how I wondered about the difficulty. This was before anything about the short swing was known. I bought the game on the day of release, by the way.
I have been trying for months on end to adjust it to meet API standards and hit a full line swing after I got API pulled once after 20+ weeks of passing (both regular tours and off and on TST rounds). I have not been pulled since, but I am constantly trying to get full lines and not short swing, but it is a constant battle. I am not trying to pull the wool over your eyes here at all. I am being honest with you and I have no reason to deceive you being a member here since 2015.
There are some who have this as a natural swing on PS4. There are those who get occasional short swings on PS4, but mostly full lines. There are those who get full lines a great majority of the time. The blame here seems to be on HB for having this swing seemingly be a PS4 only thing. If not for that, this would not be an issue. Again, if one can short swing on other consoles, please correct me.
It is not a "mistake" for some PS4 players. I say that for those who have this as a natural swing. There are those who have also learned to short swing on PS4 as well when it wasn't their natural swing after reading the forums here or talked with other players in game. As far as I know, this is the only platform that can achieve the "flick" advantage. If someone can attest to otherwise on PC or XB1 reliably able to short swing to an advantage, feel free to set me straight.
Please understand that the fault lies on HB first and foremost here. I don't ask for apologies or acceptance after that, but I do stress on #1 that HB has a broken swing on PS4 for sure.
I appreciate your honesty. I have no reasons to don't believe in your words. I never played the others tGC, but in your story I see a problem from the start. You have this natural swing cause in the others iterations of this game it was good. And this is the capital sin. How can be considered "good" and legal a swing that allows a player to obtain the 100% of strength AND also be considered fair, when it obvious that less distance your stick has to run, bigger is the chance that you'll have a great straight swing, compared to someone who let the stick run yo the plastic? Is this that for me is obviously clear. And I'm sorry to tell you this, please don't take it personally, I'm stating just a fact, as the natural consequence following the evidence of the situation, but your natural swing give you un unfair advantage. And when I say that no one could/should ever choose it as a natural swing, is exactly cause is pretty clear from the very start that is an easier swing that gives an advantage that is obviously unfair in every case or situation. I don't think is needed the API to understand it. Is unfair cause is not the way in which the game was imagined to be used. And this I think is easy to say. Edit : To give a complete idea of my thought, I use a ps4 controller too, on my PC (I just can't grab properly the Xbox controller. I feel bad just seeing it  ). Is absolutely true that the natural first movement on the controller was also for me to see if I could have the 100% with a short swing. But I decide to don't built it as my "natural swing" (that for me means the swing that you try to develop as your standard swing with all the practice and the hard work to make him work properly, not simply the first swing that jumps out, to be precise), exactly cause for me was clear this principle that the less my stick moves, unfairly straighter would be my swing. Is this that I mean. The advantage is so clear that my surprise is not that now the API detects it, but that API don't detected the cheat before. Simply this. I don't know If my point of view is enough clear, I have a way a bit involuted to explain myself with English, but I hope so. Riedit : (sorry, I'm just awakening, I'm a diesel, the connection is still not good enough to develop a reasonable complete thought in a single round, please be patient ) In any case, if I understand well how short flicks works, are not the players like you our problem, now. Cause even if your swing was not how it should be, is actually detected by the API. This means that you were forced to change it how is right that happens. So the real problem here is who implemented to the short swing mechanic that other touch of (this time totally intentional) unfairness that screws up the whole mechanic of the swing to be unnoticed by the API. I'm right with this thought? (I'm going to prepare some coffee. 2-3 gallons). Have a good Sunday, anyway.  |
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Post by GW_Hope on Aug 11, 2019 4:57:11 GMT -5
I will PM you a link to an entire thread on this subject in the HB forum. Maybe it will answer your questions.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 11, 2019 5:03:40 GMT -5
I will PM you a link to an entire thread on this subject in the HB forum. Maybe it will answer your questions. Thank you a lot but I don't want that you spend your time to search a link only for me, if you tell me the name of the thread I'll go to read it. But thank you in any case! |
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Post by cathalos1991 on Aug 11, 2019 15:59:07 GMT -5
All I wanna know is what these results mean for Season 6 |
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 11, 2019 17:57:40 GMT -5
All I wanna know is what these results mean for Season 6 Probably absolutely nothing - or Brexit |
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Post by smoke on Aug 12, 2019 1:34:41 GMT -5
Curious, you are aware that most PC players use controllers right? Not all, but most. Only the strong willed use a mouse.... only the brave!! screw that controller vs kb/m noise
its about pro clubs even being allowed in cc A-D
in the ben hogan, i'm T122 against pro/master clubbers, and T41 against all masters, so i lose 81spots to players that cant even use those clubs in pro tours... yeah that makes lots of sense
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Post by cephyn on Aug 12, 2019 8:34:51 GMT -5
only the brave!! screw that controller vs kb/m noise
its about pro clubs even being allowed in cc A-D
in the ben hogan, i'm T122 against pro/master clubbers, and T41 against all masters, so i lose 81spots to players that cant even use those clubs in pro tours... yeah that makes lots of sense
promo points are handed out separately, don't worry about it. Just be in the top 10 of either and you get a promo point. |
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Post by greyosprey on Aug 13, 2019 0:55:20 GMT -5
If we do go to Pro clubs only, can there be an option to play Master clubs at your own discretion? Personally, I'll probably get lapped by the straight shooting pro club players (already do by some of the Master Club players), but at least I'll get to play with my preferred club set. Besides, I'm used to missing cuts and being at the bottom of the leaderboard, so the view will be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 0:59:56 GMT -5
If we do go to Pro clubs only, can there be an option to play Master clubs at your own discretion? Personally, I'll probably get lapped by the straight shooting pro club players (already do by some of the Master Club players), but at least I'll get to play with my preferred club set. Besides, I'm used to missing cuts and being at the bottom of the leaderboard, so the view will be the same. I support this option. |
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Aug 13, 2019 1:23:01 GMT -5
If we do go to Pro clubs only, can there be an option to play Master clubs at your own discretion? Personally, I'll probably get lapped by the straight shooting pro club players (already do by some of the Master Club players), but at least I'll get to play with my preferred club set. Besides, I'm used to missing cuts and being at the bottom of the leaderboard, so the view will be the same. I’ve been mulling this over and to me this sounds like the only logical choice to keep folks happy, Open all the tours up to play pro and masters at their discretion, that way you have a complete shot at being balanced with all platforms, but if you dare you can gain an advantage to try masters . Just my 2 cents |
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Post by xEB50x on Aug 13, 2019 14:56:59 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, but wanted to post here as well. Just the view of an xboxer.
I know a lot of xbox players on the pro tours using master's, and not one of us wants to play with pro clubs. Honestly, I don't think any of us want any changes in the Pro tours. I'd rather keep the pro tours just as they are. I would be completely against allowing Pro clubs on the pro tours. All the posts keep referring to xbox players as the motivator to make a change. We've accepted how things are and are fine with it, so you can refrain from using the xbox pro tour players as examples. (disclaimer) I know I don't speak for all xbox players on the pro tours, but I have a pretty big sample size of support in my statement.
People that want pro clubs on the pro tours for your own personal reasons, can stop hiding behind the "it's unfair for xbox" war cry. Your not speaking for a lot of us. I don't want to see rash decisions being made over inflated claims. Unballanced yes, but xbox leading the charge for change, no.
Note: I'm only speaking of the pro tours, not CC tours as they may have a completely different opinion and view on the matter. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 13, 2019 15:51:11 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, but wanted to post here as well. Just the view of an xboxer.
I know a lot of xbox players on the pro tours using master's, and not one of us wants to play with pro clubs. Honestly, I don't think any of us want any changes in the Pro tours. I'd rather keep the pro tours just as they are. I would be completely against allowing Pro clubs on the pro tours. All the posts keep referring to xbox players as the motivator to make a change. We've accepted how things are and are fine with it, so you can refrain from using the xbox pro tour players as examples. (disclaimer) I know I don't speak for all xbox players on the pro tours, but I have a pretty big sample size of support in my statement.
People that want pro clubs on the pro tours for your own personal reasons, can stop hiding behind the "it's unfair for xbox" war cry. Your not speaking for a lot of us. I don't want to see rash decisions being made over inflated claims. Unballanced yes, but xbox leading the charge for change, no.
Note: I'm only speaking of the pro tours, not CC tours as they may have a completely different opinion and view on the matter. I would echo this on CC as well being an XB master player not wanting to play pro clubs.. fact is the way it is currently people have the choice in the CC ranks to use whichever club they choose. Not saying XB isn't harder, but those of us that stuck it out have accepted the challenge, it is what it is. Totally agree masters only on the pro levels.. |
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Post by Nemecyst on Aug 13, 2019 21:55:07 GMT -5
It's definitely a dilemma being on XB1.
On one hand I do prefer to play with Masters clubs. I like the challenge of them and how they play. Any casual rounds I play anymore with friends it's masters clubs only.
On the other hand, I quit playing the tours on here because once I got to the PGA level and knowing how much of a disadvantage I was at before I even hit my first tee shot was demoralizing.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Aug 14, 2019 12:10:11 GMT -5
If we do go to Pro clubs only, can there be an option to play Master clubs at your own discretion? Personally, I'll probably get lapped by the straight shooting pro club players (already do by some of the Master Club players), but at least I'll get to play with my preferred club set. Besides, I'm used to missing cuts and being at the bottom of the leaderboard, so the view will be the same. I’ve been mulling this over and to me this sounds like the only logical choice to keep folks happy, Open all the tours up to play pro and masters at their discretion, that way you have a complete shot at being balanced with all platforms, but if you dare you can gain an advantage to try masters . Just my 2 cents Nothing would change (or it would be minimal). The whole point of the potential (but not probable) change is to make the tours more fair. Currently PS4 master clubs users have an advantage. That would still hold true if anyone was allowed to use master clubs (if you believe PS4 master clubs = XB pro clubs). The advantage still lies with PS4 users. It would potentially narrow the gap though. FWIW, I do not play with either club set and wouldn't no matter the decision. I personally know that a majority of the XB players I know want to play with master clubs and to be forced from that would be a no go (but they would probably still play).
I personally think everyone should just come to BCT, its the happening place.
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Post by fadgewacker on Aug 16, 2019 10:49:47 GMT -5
I’ve been mulling this over and to me this sounds like the only logical choice to keep folks happy, Open all the tours up to play pro and masters at their discretion, that way you have a complete shot at being balanced with all platforms, but if you dare you can gain an advantage to try masters . Just my 2 cents Nothing would change (or it would be minimal). The whole point of the potential (but not probable) change is to make the tours more fair. Currently PS4 master clubs users have an advantage. That would still hold true if anyone was allowed to use master clubs (if you believe PS4 master clubs = XB pro clubs). The advantage still lies with PS4 users. It would potentially narrow the gap though. FWIW, I do not play with either club set and wouldn't no matter the decision. I personally know that a majority of the XB players I know want to play with master clubs and to be forced from that would be a no go (but they would probably still play).
I personally think everyone should just come to BCT, its the happening place.
The advantage lies with the flickers. Forget XBOX tempo vs PS4. The pro club movement was to level the advantage that flickers get for being able to fully loft and rely on the outcome. |
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). Is absolutely true that the natural first movement on the controller was also for me to see if I could have the 100% with a short swing. But I decide to don't built it as my "natural swing" (that for me means the swing that you try to develop as your standard swing with all the practice and the hard work to make him work properly, not simply the first swing that jumps out, to be precise), exactly cause for me was clear this principle that the less my stick moves, unfairly straighter would be my swing.
