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Post by welikeitroughnc on Aug 16, 2019 17:42:03 GMT -5
That fairway needs a burger and fries š³
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Post by Riotous on Aug 16, 2019 18:03:34 GMT -5
That fairway needs a burger and fries š³ Oh man, thatās my Saturday head space taken up! Fairway is about a 100yds long and narrow at the neck to make you think from the tee but I can stretch it as we get closer to the green |
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Post by b101 on Aug 17, 2019 2:39:32 GMT -5
That fairway needs a burger and fries š³ Oh man, thatās my Saturday head space taken up! Fairway is about a 100yds long and narrow at the neck to make you think from the tee but I can stretch it as we get closer to the green How long is the hole? I would suggest a good rule of thumb is starting your fairway at 180-200 yards from the tee. People may not use it, but it looks good and eats up that awkward space between tee and fairway youād otherwise have to plant. In terms of the fairway bottling, thatās all good as long as you make sure thereās a safe way to play the hole (even if that brings bogey right into play). For example, designing a par four that allows you to go for it in two with risk but also laying up safely, then laying up again safely and trying to chip and putt is good design IMO. For me, that means you always want a wider part of the fairway that isnāt at the optimal distance or angle to the green so that people can choose how much risk they want to take on. Very little worse than a fairway that bottles but offers no safe play and forces you into going for it. Not by any means suggesting this is what youāre doing, but itās common with us newer designers. |
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Post by Riotous on Aug 17, 2019 8:24:54 GMT -5
That fairway needs a burger and fries š³ Oh man, thatās my Saturday head space taken up! Fairway is about a 100yds long and narrow at the neck to make you think from the tee but I can stretch it as we get closer to the green Iāve stretched the fairway in front of the green but kept it tight ish around the 300yd area. It looks better and will play better now, thank you! |
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Post by Riotous on Aug 17, 2019 8:32:16 GMT -5
Oh man, thatās my Saturday head space taken up! Fairway is about a 100yds long and narrow at the neck to make you think from the tee but I can stretch it as we get closer to the green How long is the hole? I would suggest a good rule of thumb is starting your fairway at 180-200 yards from the tee. People may not use it, but it looks good and eats up that awkward space between tee and fairway youād otherwise have to plant. In terms of the fairway bottling, thatās all good as long as you make sure thereās a safe way to play the hole (even if that brings bogey right into play). For example, designing a par four that allows you to go for it in two with risk but also laying up safely, then laying up again safely and trying to chip and putt is good design IMO. For me, that means you always want a wider part of the fairway that isnāt at the optimal distance or angle to the green so that people can choose how much risk they want to take on. Very little worse than a fairway that bottles but offers no safe play and forces you into going for it. Not by any means suggesting this is what youāre doing, but itās common with us newer designers. Great advice, I tend to start Par 5 fairways around 190 and Par 4ās a little nearer, all depending on terrain and hole set up. Totally agree that there should always be a lay up option or safe option both from every tee and every second shot location, even if thatās 100 yards from the green |
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Post by Davidius74 on Aug 17, 2019 23:49:29 GMT -5
Not posted for a while but been busy sorting a planting strategy and routing the course. 14 holes now have fairways and greens, just the all important final stretch to go. The 1st is the only 'finished' hole but i'm sure it'll be re-visted and tweeked during testing. Major changes in the last 24 hours on hole 2, i've decided that if there's even a little uncertainty or doubt about a feature/route then change it!  After spending almost 2 hours designing a hole last night I had to scrap it and start again as the hazards did not come into play and were 30 yds beyond master clubs from tips. Took another h=our and a half to redo the hole and it is how I want it now. Have altered a few holes after playtesting just like that. No point having holes look good if they don't play well and hazards don't come into play. |
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Post by Riotous on Aug 18, 2019 1:01:32 GMT -5
100% agree Dave, itās tough to scrap something after youāve spent so long on it, but as that old saying goes āif thereās doubt in your mind, area select and delete the lotā š
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Post by Riotous on Aug 20, 2019 0:22:45 GMT -5
So, 20 days in and the photos everyone's posting look bloody great, the standard appears to be very high. Personally i'm enjoying the process and just trying to improve my skills as we go along, a bit like my Tour play, i'm top half CC-C trying to improve my game. I've got 16 holes routed and a 17th that's in between the ears just awaiting fabrication. Delta is my theme, not my favourite because you can't get that low angled sun through the trees look but i'll persevere and see what comes. I need to battle against planting trees everywhere just to fill space. I'm also going to start posting photos of my 'problem' areas to see what the community comes up, and finally the course name - better not call it Magnolia or Augusta! Can i even type those words !  |
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Post by b101 on Aug 20, 2019 1:10:22 GMT -5
Totally beg to differ with the low lighting point (see Greenstone River in my sig). Delta is a great theme - loads of variety and the ability to use the negative space with the ocean is really helpful and I love the tree options.
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Post by Riotous on Aug 20, 2019 1:39:52 GMT -5
Totally beg to differ with the low lighting point (see Greenstone River in my sig). Delta is a great theme - loads of variety and the ability to use the negative space with the ocean is really helpful and I love the tree options. More than happy to be proved wrong mate, just seen photos of Greenstones which looks fantastic, youāre working on a different level to me. Iāll give it a play later šš» |
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Post by b101 on Aug 20, 2019 1:58:26 GMT -5
Totally beg to differ with the low lighting point (see Greenstone River in my sig). Delta is a great theme - loads of variety and the ability to use the negative space with the ocean is really helpful and I love the tree options. More than happy to be proved wrong mate, just seen photos of Greenstones which looks fantastic, youāre working on a different level to me. Iāll give it a play later šš» Oh no, not a case of trying to prove you wrong at all - just showing you that one of the best things you can do with Delta is go full out for the low lighting! You just need to be careful with the holes that don't have it in terms of how you route them and what you do to minimise its effects - things like tree placement, use of water, type of hole, bunkers etc. For me, it was placing my two longest holes directly away from the lighting to eat up space, making both of them very strategic so that you had to think about the approach more (therefore not looking at the lighting as much), using water and negative space in a big way on both of them and generally just making good holes. If you compare 9 and 15 (away from the light) with 12 (dead into), you should see that 12 needed the lighting to make it pop way more than 9 or 15. Not that 12 is a bad hole, far from it, but it isn't as option heavy as those others. Hope you enjoy your round  |
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Post by Davidius74 on Aug 20, 2019 9:15:22 GMT -5
Loving that fence on the left. I have been putting a fence or two on my course two to stop players falling into ravines. I too am enjoying the learning process and can't wait for feedback from judges to see what I am doing right and what needs to be improved for future courses.
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Post by Riotous on Aug 22, 2019 19:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by welikeitroughnc on Aug 23, 2019 0:34:38 GMT -5
Ooo planting some of those hillsides with some overgrown look and throw in some waste bunkering and I think youād have a winner right there!
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Post by Riotous on Aug 27, 2019 0:33:51 GMT -5
The team have been busy out on the course, i'll post some photos tomorrow. A specialist from Madrid was working on the planting but we've parted ways, he kicked Mr M Salah, our head greenkeeper. We're very happy to announce that Mr I Rush from Wales is arriving soon to take over the planting, he should be perfect for us as he's known within the industry as a top finisher.  |
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