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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 2, 2019 2:31:20 GMT -5
I remember when TGC 2019 came out a lot of people bragging on threads that they could beat anyone by using Master Clubs no matter what the other person was using. So now is your chance to prove it, those that want to can use Master Clubs those that don’t use Pro Clubs and that includes being able to play on the pro tours with whatever club-set you want even if it’s the beginner set although that might be pushing it a bit to far. I say qualify and play on any of the tours using whichever club-set you choose. If I can’t beat someone on the same course with pro clubs when they are using beginner on the same then they’re just better than me. If I was to somehow miraculously get promoted to the PGA by using pro clubs on Xbox then I would compete against anyone on a longer more difficult course even if they were using master clubs on PS4. Nope, because they aren't club sets, they're skill levels. The best thing that happened to the Challenge Circuit this season was essentially splitting the two club sets up and giving promotion marks to the best of both. It instantly made it a lot fairer for the players who don't want to play on the easier mode. What you're suggesting would be a step backwards. |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 2, 2019 2:41:40 GMT -5
I remember when TGC 2019 came out a lot of people bragging on threads that they could beat anyone by using Master Clubs no matter what the other person was using. So now is your chance to prove it, those that want to can use Master Clubs those that don’t use Pro Clubs and that includes being able to play on the pro tours with whatever club-set you want even if it’s the beginner set although that might be pushing it a bit to far. I say qualify and play on any of the tours using whichever club-set you choose. If I can’t beat someone on the same course with pro clubs when they are using beginner on the same then they’re just better than me. If I was to somehow miraculously get promoted to the PGA by using pro clubs on Xbox then I would compete against anyone on a longer more difficult course even if they were using master clubs on PS4. Nope, because they aren't club sets, they're skill levels. The best thing that happened to the Challenge Circuit this season was essentially splitting the two club sets up and giving promotion marks to the best of both. It instantly made it a lot fairer for the players who don't want to play on the easier mode. What you're suggesting would be a step backwards. If you play a multiplayer game with the different club sets it puts you on a different tee but in the tour you would have to play the course that was set up by the admins. Call them what you want skill levels or club sets I still remember a lot of guys saying they could play master clubs and still beat anyone using a lesser club set all I’m saying is prove it. |
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Post by gdog on Aug 2, 2019 3:09:46 GMT -5
This is a joke right? The whole reason the beginner club tour was created was because people were actively switching to beginner clubs in cc because they could shoot ridiculously better scores with them. Similar to why with why they added the Pro/Master promo mark splits more recently on CC, because Pro is easier to shoot with than master. Look at this week 1 cca leaderboard www.tgctours.com/Tournament/Leaderboard/4104?showEarnings=True |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 2, 2019 3:14:21 GMT -5
Were coming to the end of the season why don’t the admins set up a couple of test events under PGA conditions but you can use either master or pro clubs and see how everyone does.
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Post by therayaka on Aug 2, 2019 4:24:57 GMT -5
Were coming to the end of the season why don’t the admins set up a couple of test events under PGA conditions but you can use either master or pro clubs and see how everyone does. The entire season has been a test event. Wake up. |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 2, 2019 4:29:42 GMT -5
Were coming to the end of the season why don’t the admins set up a couple of test events under PGA conditions but you can use either master or pro clubs and see how everyone does. The entire season has been a test event. Wake up. Go back to sleep |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 2, 2019 4:43:06 GMT -5
What I'd like to see is from CC-A to CC-C Master club flights, CC-D and CC-E as buffer flights with a mix of Pro and Master clubs, then CC-F to CC-Z would be Pro club flights. The promotions for A-C would just be top 20, in D-E it could be 15 Master 5 Pro, and F-Z the top 20. There could be no demotion marks for Master club users in CC-E so they wouldn't be forced to play with Pro clubs. But if you gain promotion to C you must use Master clubs quite the same as we have with the Web tour.
This set-up could be adjustable to suit the number of Pro and Master club users with maybe C-D or E-F acting as buffer flights. It could still have the 2 courses, 1 for A-D and 1 for E-Z as we currently have. This would limit the amount of flights where the clubs are mixed and maybe cut down on the whining from players.
Although I don't know how we would get to this stage without running Q School again but maybe just include those who finish this season in CC.
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Post by honeybadger64 on Aug 2, 2019 4:51:22 GMT -5
What I'd like to see is from CC-A to CC-C Master club flights, CC-D and CC-E as buffer flights with a mix of Pro and Master clubs, then CC-F to CC-Z would be Pro club flights. The promotions for A-C would just be top 20, in D-E it could be 15 Master 5 Pro, and F-Z the top 20. There could be no demotion marks for Master club users in CC-E so they wouldn't be forced to play with Pro clubs. But if you gain promotion to C you must use Master clubs quite the same as we have with the Web tour. This set-up could be adjustable to suit the number of Pro and Master club users with maybe C-D or E-F acting as buffer flights. It could still have the 2 courses, 1 for A-D and 1 for E-Z as we currently have. This would limit the amount of flights where the clubs are mixed and maybe cut down on the whining from players. Although I don't know how we would get to this stage without running Q School again but maybe just include include those who finish this season in CC. Well done Pat for articulating a sensible solution which with a tweak here or there could resolve a lot of the issues raised |
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Post by paulus on Aug 2, 2019 4:51:50 GMT -5
Great idea as it lets members have their say without pages of arguments. ...  This is what makes a lively forum tho, so arguments are all good imho.... |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 2, 2019 4:59:50 GMT -5
Great idea as it lets members have their say without pages of arguments. ... This is what makes a lively forum tho, so arguments are all good imho.... They can be good but when you're down in CC and see the same thing getting brought up time and time again with no offer of solutions it gets mundane. |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 2, 2019 5:05:47 GMT -5
What I'd like to see is from CC-A to CC-C Master club flights, CC-D and CC-E as buffer flights with a mix of Pro and Master clubs, then CC-F to CC-Z would be Pro club flights. The promotions for A-C would just be top 20, in D-E it could be 15 Master 5 Pro, and F-Z the top 20. There could be no demotion marks for Master club users in CC-E so they wouldn't be forced to play with Pro clubs. But if you gain promotion to C you must use Master clubs quite the same as we have with the Web tour. This set-up could be adjustable to suit the number of Pro and Master club users with maybe C-D or E-F acting as buffer flights. It could still have the 2 courses, 1 for A-D and 1 for E-Z as we currently have. This would limit the amount of flights where the clubs are mixed and maybe cut down on the whining from players. Although I don't know how we would get to this stage without running Q School again but maybe just include include those who finish this season in CC. Well done Pat for articulating a sensible solution which with a tweak here or there could resolve a lot of the issues raised Cheers Greg, I don't know how it would be implemented in full, but it brings another idea which can be rubbished or modified by admins however they like. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:24:34 GMT -5
We have 12 tours now right?
Why not split them by club and use the distribution % to put the right number of tours? So if 40% play masters, 50% pro and 10% beginner then maybe it looks like this:
4 Master Club only tours
6 Pro Club only tours
2 Beginner Club only tours
If you change club sets at any time you have to start at the bottom tour of the club set you switch to and work your way up.
Pretty simple then and no battling other club sets
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Post by Crazy Croc on Aug 2, 2019 7:35:46 GMT -5
Above sums it up for me, we have to chose between fairness or multi platform. Pro clubs across the board would give both fairness and cross-platform. Which means either pro clubs only across the board or keep the status quo? This is the main point of the question I guess. The dilemma is more; do we go for fair cross-platform but simplified competition. Or do we keep the status quo. I can easily see both viewpoints - a total fence sitter at this point. I reckon the quo wins this one. They always win. Yeah, quietly rooting for the quo squad here |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:53:17 GMT -5
This is the most compelling argument for sticking. But I do have my doubts about the next iteration. Small cross-platform gameplay differences will never be a high priority fix for HB/2K... maybe super important to the few thousand here... but we represent just a few percent of the total player base. And it's almost certainly one of those horrible "bugs" that would take a disproportionate time to investigate/resolve - the cost/benefit analysis is probably not in our favour  This is normally absolutely true, but more or less what % we are of the total buyers of this game? Someone knows it? If normally is obvious that a community of gamers is always a small portion of the total customers, considering that this game after all is already a game for a minority, I would not so surprised if we in this community could be maybe a 30-35% of the total. If it should be an exact evaluation, we are not so much a minority, after all. And our voices could be not so useless. We were talking about this, some time ago, in some other thread. If after All (and saying ALL I mean all the issues of this game, all the time we waited some other patch, all the advices and feedbacks we give them..shortly, really ALL) the new game should be delusional for us, or worst than this, why don't boycott it simply don't buying it and then continue with this game? And we could also consider that we still don't know when the new game will be released. If a new game will be available next year, this would mean that (above the talks here and there..that sounds even almost as a joke, when they are always and only words...) they will leave us alone for an year and half without a patch, a minimal improvement, something. Is enough to be a bit angry, or not? If they don't take our complaints and ideas seriously, if they don't care about us, why we should care about them and give them our money just to buy another broken product? I have purchased all 3 versions day 1, but I won't be with the next one. I think I'll wait the 2 or 3 months for it to be half price in a PlayStation sale and donate the other half I saved to this site. Without TGCTours I wouldn't be playing the game. If that means missing out on a mass Q school then so be it, haven't exactly been lighting up the bottom 5% of the PGA tour anyway  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 8:44:07 GMT -5
Were coming to the end of the season why don’t the admins set up a couple of test events under PGA conditions but you can use either master or pro clubs and see how everyone does. There are the two Eliminated Invitational events for those on the Pro tours week 2 and 3 of the playoffs that get knocked out. Doyley if some of us use pro clubs will we be automatically removed off the leaderboard? Figure I may as well give it a try if it helps with data. |
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