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Post by B.Smooth13 on Aug 1, 2019 19:30:51 GMT -5
I've made the cut on the Euro Tour this week against all those PS4 players. I'm going to finish about 65th. This is a good week  Obviously we all hope the next incarnation evens things back up again, nobody is pretending this is ideal. It is what it is. So we completely change the whole ethos of these tours and then find the next game works properly and have to go through the whole process of changing it back again? Not for me, I say we ride it out and hope for better in the not too distant future. If the next game is the same, well then perhaps that changes things. In the meantime just play and enjoy the little wins, and join some good societies! Why everyone on Xbox isn't in CUCC I don't know? Preach! |
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Post by Generic_Casual on Aug 1, 2019 19:52:15 GMT -5
What happened here?! #InB4  |
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 20:07:53 GMT -5
So we completely change the whole ethos of these tours and then find the next game works properly and have to go through the whole process of changing it back again? Not for me, I say we ride it out and hope for better in the not too distant future. This is the most compelling argument for sticking. But I do have my doubts about the next iteration. Small cross-platform gameplay differences will never be a high priority fix for HB/2K... maybe super important to the few thousand here... but we represent just a few percent of the total player base. And it's almost certainly one of those horrible "bugs" that would take a disproportionate time to investigate/resolve - the cost/benefit analysis is probably not in our favour |
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Post by titaneddie on Aug 1, 2019 20:35:33 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you Paulus, but if I'm running that ship this a 100% attempt to fix thing. I mean, they have to obviously want the user to play on a certain difficulty to what they feel is the best way to play their game. To have that consistency on every platform i would think would be a must.
Now maybe its something completely out of their hands, who knows, but if that was the case then find some other way.
Golf is never going to any big factor in esports but even getting tgc to the level where everyone can compete fairly would be a great benefit to them. To be able to hold online tourneys, even if it is a pretty small number in comparison would no doubt sell more copies and give them more legitimacy in the market.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 1, 2019 20:44:50 GMT -5
So we completely change the whole ethos of these tours and then find the next game works properly and have to go through the whole process of changing it back again? Not for me, I say we ride it out and hope for better in the not too distant future. This is the most compelling argument for sticking. But I do have my doubts about the next iteration. Small cross-platform gameplay differences will never be a high priority fix for HB/2K... maybe super important to the few thousand here... but we represent just a few percent of the total player base. And it's almost certainly one of those horrible "bugs" that would take a disproportionate time to investigate/resolve - the cost/benefit analysis is probably not in our favour This is normally absolutely true, but more or less what % we are of the total buyers of this game? Someone knows it? If normally is obvious that a community of gamers is always a small portion of the total customers, considering that this game after all is already a game for a minority, I would not so surprised if we in this community could be maybe a 30-35% of the total. If it should be an exact evaluation, we are not so much a minority, after all. And our voices could be not so useless. We were talking about this, some time ago, in some other thread. If after All (and saying ALL I mean all the issues of this game, all the time we waited some other patch, all the advices and feedbacks we give them..shortly, really ALL) the new game should be delusional for us, or worst than this, why don't boycott it simply don't buying it and then continue with this game? And we could also consider that we still don't know when the new game will be released. If a new game will be available next year, this would mean that (above the talks here and there..that sounds even almost as a joke, when they are always and only words...) they will leave us alone for an year and half without a patch, a minimal improvement, something. Is enough to be a bit angry, or not? If they don't take our complaints and ideas seriously, if they don't care about us, why we should care about them and give them our money just to buy another broken product? |
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 20:48:51 GMT -5
IIRC the admins here have tried to contact HB about the issue and have had no response. Maybe that's changed? If not... it's a pretty clear indicator of their sentiment on this issue....
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 20:51:21 GMT -5
would not so surprised if we in this community could be maybe a 30-35% of the total I think it's less than 5%. |
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Post by titaneddie on Aug 1, 2019 20:52:08 GMT -5
To be fair they haven't really done any thing since release....
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 1, 2019 20:52:52 GMT -5
👀 Really?? Ouch.. I was too optimistic.  |
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 20:58:34 GMT -5
Is enough to be a bit angry, or not? If they don't take our complaints and ideas seriously, if they don't care about us, why we should care about them and give them our money just to buy another broken product? This is where I think hardcore players have way to high expectations of a $30 product. It's absolutely not broken. It's absolutely the best golf game ever released. Technically, it's deeply impressive, the course designer alone is better than many $100 software products. It's just not perfect for us, a very small percentage of the player base. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Aug 1, 2019 21:12:17 GMT -5
Is enough to be a bit angry, or not? If they don't take our complaints and ideas seriously, if they don't care about us, why we should care about them and give them our money just to buy another broken product? This is where I think hardcore players have way to high expectations of a $30 product. It's absolutely not broken. It's absolutely the best golf game ever released. Technically, it's deeply impressive, the course designer alone is better than many $100 software products. It's just not perfect for us, a very small percentage of the player base. I partially disagree with you, but only for one reason. Just to say...i bought this game ONLY cause I casually discovered this tour. Before to buy the game, I downloaded the offline version. And yes..you're absolutely right about the technical side of the game. The swing mechanic is the best I ever played and even if I'm not a designer, I can see in every round I play, that this tool Is great. But the game dies with these two great things. The playability offline is simply the worst I ever played in a post-2000 game of golf. There are flaws almost absurd..as the fake rain..or the fact that if you end an offline tournament sharing the first position with someone else, there's no winner, the starting order is always the same, i could continue. No counting the fact that they just wrote PGA on the game but there's nothing about PGA, if not a bunch of courses (not so well realized,above all) and some shirt. Not exactly a great deal, honestly. In short...without this Tour & community, you should buy in any case this game? I'm absolutely sure that I would still play alone on ps3 with TW14.  |
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Post by rhino4life on Aug 1, 2019 23:42:56 GMT -5
HB keeps changing partnerships and fiddle dicking around adding new half-assed tested things on items that were not broken to begin with that end up adding to the little things they never got around to fixing during TGC2. Maybe this time its different but i am not holding my breath.
As an XB user i get our shortcomings and dont crave the need to be the best in the world. Its more important to me to play with my regular boys and talk smack amongst ourselves under the same umbrella. im all for leaving things as they are over mandating lesser clubs across the board. I want to earn a good score, not sleepwalk to it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 23:56:25 GMT -5
Doyley If the option for Pro clubs on all tours were implemented, could members voluntarily use Master clubs still? Can't say at this point as we really just put that question in there to get the pulse - Have to wait and see if we pursue that further. As the question stands (an absolute yes/no) I voted against, but if nuanced I would vote in favor if there was a Masters only type of tour as I have no interest in playing Pro clubs personally, but would be okay with TGCT going with Pro clubs for the level playing field across platforms as the main tour as long as there was still an option for those to play Masters clubs, hopefully against the Pro clubs, but even would be okay with a side tour altogether if Pro clubs only was the main tour.
Clarification or more options on that question might have fleshed out the true opinions a bit better than an absolute, but admin has done well in the past in reading the chatter on the forums and getting the pulse of the community, and that may very well work here, too.
At any rate, this is a really good thing going on (TGCT) here, and I still enjoy it over 4 years after I joined up.  Keep up the good work and thanks for involving the community as a whole. Props! |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 2, 2019 2:06:59 GMT -5
I remember when TGC 2019 came out a lot of people bragging on threads that they could beat anyone by using Master Clubs no matter what the other person was using. So now is your chance to prove it, those that want to can use Master Clubs those that don’t use Pro Clubs and that includes being able to play on the pro tours with whatever club-set you want even if it’s the beginner set although that might be pushing it a bit to far. I say qualify and play on any of the tours using whichever club-set you choose. If I can’t beat someone on the same course with pro clubs when they are using beginner on the same then they’re just better than me. If I was to somehow miraculously get promoted to the PGA by using pro clubs on Xbox then I would compete against anyone on a longer more difficult course even if they were using master clubs on PS4.
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Post by lessangster on Aug 2, 2019 2:29:36 GMT -5
Rather than go down the route of asking people to all use the same clubs let them use whichever cub set they are comfortable with even on the pro tours. If they for example used beginner clubs in a PGA event they are taking a hit on distance and backspin to be more accurate. That gives a strategic choice but once you start an event with a particular set of clubs you have to play with them all the way through. If you find you can’t reach some of the par fours then tough.
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Keep up the good work and thanks for involving the community as a whole. Props!
