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Post by mick0210 on Aug 1, 2019 4:04:40 GMT -5
Done
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Post by wellsa27 on Aug 1, 2019 4:44:11 GMT -5
The biggest issue imo is solving the difference between Xbox and the rest.
To me it doesn't mean creating a new tour for different consoles, it's creating a promotion/demotion system for Xbox/PS4 and PC.
In the CC Tour you could say the top 5 on each the PS4/Xbox/PC users on pro clubs receive a promotion mark, and the top 5 masters on each receives.
It's a simple change that will promote evenly.
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Post by lessangster on Aug 1, 2019 6:24:06 GMT -5
The biggest issue imo is solving the difference between Xbox and the rest. To me it doesn't mean creating a new tour for different consoles, it's creating a promotion/demotion system for Xbox/PS4 and PC. In the CC Tour you could say the top 5 on each the PS4/Xbox/PC users on pro clubs receive a promotion mark, and the top 5 masters on each receives. It's a simple change that will promote evenly. Simple if your bottom of the leaderboard after using master clubs on Xbox don’t give two strikes out. |
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Post by Crazy Croc on Aug 1, 2019 7:25:17 GMT -5
Confucius says "Man who uses words 'fairness' and 'master club only' in same sentence, should go play different society"
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Post by meyo on Aug 1, 2019 10:10:46 GMT -5
Here is my 2 cents on this subject Thank you  |
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 10:15:36 GMT -5
And my two scents...  |
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Post by rhino4life on Aug 1, 2019 11:30:42 GMT -5
Personally I think most Xbox players by now "get it" and understand that this platform being on the short end of the stick in terms of being competitive has grown progressively worse over the last two cycles of the game. Some press on anyway, other have quit playing altogether or changed to a more competitive platform. The choice is theirs. I have no data backing this up but I would venture a guess that if it was not for promotion events getting some of the Xbox guys out of CC Purgatory there would be even less people on this platform playing in tours. Those event results were huge in comparison to having to get a rare win or getting 5 promotion marks.
At the present time, the way things are right now the tours really is just 2-4 rounds of golf, nothing more really. There are a few rivalries here and there amongst guys on our same platform however the overall thrill and excitement I had playing in the tours against a network of Xbox friends and working my way up along side them is no longer there like it used to be. Thankfully people have found other outlets to try to enjoy their experience whether it be the BCT, weekly competition streams, and larger platform societies that have made their focus (and popularity) based on having divisions of same club sets. These types of things seem have brought much more enjoyment and competition to the table for myself and others I know as a TGCT replacement. I am almost certain there are the same types of things ongoing on the other platforms as well.
I know it was kind of thrown around earlier this year of having PS4 on its own type of tour next season if nothing changes which most certainly would not get much blowback from me. Although I don’t know much about Steam and what they deal with I wouldn’t have a problem lumping the other two platforms together as their successes seem about as futile as Xbox. And yes, I know the tours was started to be one stop location for all platforms to play and compete against each other and for a long time it seemed to work out okay. In todays game the dominance and advantages of one platform are pretty hard to ignore anymore. So I understand what the admins are trying to do here. The game has changed (for better or worse) which has made a great deal of painful decisions or work arounds possible up to now to try and maintain some sort of competitiveness to the tours. We/they can either try to adapt or change things as needed or do nothing. Either road traveled is bound to have some kind of pushback to some degree but I can appreciate them trying to get in front of things with the survey.
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Post by inflames47 on Aug 1, 2019 13:06:15 GMT -5
My response is a simple one that I feel would be fair all the way around. Master Tour (master clubs only) Pro Tour ( pro clubs only) Beginner tour (beginner clubs only). One cannot use different clubset than that tour one is placed in. This takes away all arguments of what club set is better than the other. Competition cannot be deemed unfair due to club sets ( master is longer, pro is more accurate, and leave the beginners alone people they want to be where you are today but need time to learn what adjustments need to be made to make them play better or perhaps they enjoy the game on that club set better than struggling with pro or master clubs). If a player wins in their tour, then they move up and must play club set for that tour. It is just that simple. And how would you address the Playstation having a huge advantage? A master tour for them? See the further we go down this route the further we get away from what tgctours is about. No matter what you do, ps4 will Always have the advantage. That cannot be changed regardless of how the tours are set up. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Aug 1, 2019 14:01:30 GMT -5
See the further we go down this route the further we get away from what tgctours is about. What is TGCTours about to you? To me, it's about fair golf competition. The point I am making is that "what TGCTours is about" is a way for whoever is reading this to fill in the blank. If we have different views on "what TGCTours is all about," then we're going to have very different solutions. If we're going to have fair golf competition, then I don't see how we could lump XBox Masters with PS4 Masters, and I don't see how we can lump Masters users with Pro users. Maybe, to you, TGCTours is more about competition across platforms and fairness is secondary. Then let's go with one Tour setup and everyone uses Pros. That'll give us the gameplay from TGC1, approximately, but it'll be close to fair. |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 1, 2019 14:08:27 GMT -5
Take this weeks TST tournament I’m sitting at -7 under on Xbox which for me represents pretty good play and it’s looking like I’m going to miss the cut this week, there are 50 PS4 players at -8 under which is nearly half the field, the cut is 70 that’s leaving 20 places for PC and Xbox.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2019 14:17:20 GMT -5
For me TGCTours is all about following the real life tours and having the ability to have cross platform leaderboards.
It's just a shame that all the CC flights are needed. In an ideal world we would have PGA, Euro, Web (KFT yuk), Mackenzie, Latinoamerica & European Challenge Tour.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Aug 1, 2019 14:24:22 GMT -5
Well I've always thought that TGCT is about cross platform play, first and foremost. I can live with the stats showing I play on a more difficult system, doesn't mean I can't try and compete at whatever level I find myself at. To be fair I only really found it frustrating when I was stuck in the Challenge Circuit being beaten by Pro Clubs players on ALL platforms every week, that wasn't a lot of fun. The rule rewarding Masters Clubs players was a game changer, I got promoted through a Promo event but had just earned my 3rd green tick and I'm pretty sure I would have gone up anyway in a few weeks. I would rather play against PS4 players with Masters than Xbox players with Pro ANY day of the week. I don't believe it's quite as easy as some make it out to be on that platform.
I completely understand the frustrations and have had plenty myself, but it does seem that some people love to be able to blame their system for struggling when in reality it might be that they are a level or two too high? It isn't random, I can tell you that much, but it is very finicky and it seems more so on Xbox and PC. There are some who have managed to do very well on Xbox, we have one currently in the top 10 on PGA this week and another only a few back. So how come they can do it? If people just got on with doing the best they can do instead of worrying what people on other systems are doing maybe they might start enjoying it a bit more?
We have some excellent and established societies in-game and on these forums where we can just compete against people on our own system. They are great and make a nice change from these tours but I wouldn't want to see TGCT go that way. Then it would just become another society, we've got them already. Being multi platform has always been what makes this place so great, I personally would be gutted to lose that aspect of it. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 1, 2019 14:45:56 GMT -5
There's always the fact that some of us are just not that good.
There are some XB players competing on PGA, so it can be done.
The majority of users happen to be on PS4, so it's always going to look skewed towards PS4.
Take promo#4, 700 players, only 238 XB, of the 238, only 120 used master clubs, 2 of which actually promoted to PGA (1 was the winner of the event), handful of Euro and Web promotions as well rounding out the top 100.
Can one of the admins take another comparison look at the data now compared to when it was first done at the beginning of the season? My guess is it's not going to be as far apart as people think.
A stroke or 2 difference is making or missing a putt, hardly a disadvantage IMO, you're either on or you're off..
This is better than that, that is better than this, blah, blah...
Do you have fun playing? Watching the leaderboards? Watching WGO? Playing in community events like 24K / Heaven and Hell? Rangering? Designing? Etc, etc, etc... then it doesn't really matter where you end up playing, just that you ARE playing and having fun doing so.
I am..
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Post by paulus on Aug 1, 2019 15:21:53 GMT -5
To counter the two posts above about it not being a big diff, my anecdotal evidence says different;
As a PC player - I was playing at Web / Lower Euro level. Very fasts from nowhere would destroy my carefully plotted rounds, it became quite frustrating.
As a PS4 player - I play in the PGA at medium player level.
While I prefer to play on PC, took the PS4 option because I'm shallow & unworthy... & like to play in majors.
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Post by Crazy Croc on Aug 1, 2019 15:58:55 GMT -5
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