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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jul 31, 2019 15:11:37 GMT -5
I have submitted two courses that were rejected by the tour (A), but on HB regular play they both have 5/4.5 ratings after hundreds of players (B). Perhaps one person's opinion shouldn't determine the fate of the course. Let the players rank it for inclusion or rejection. A) No such thing as "rejected by the tour," that's a misunderstanding of how the system is setup to work and an incorrect description of the status of courses submitted to TGCT
B) In-game star ratings are a horrible way to evaluate the quality of courses, for a ton of reasons that aren't immediately pertinent to what I'm sure the admin hope to be a focused discussion here.
Another topic for another day, but if you think you're course(s) are that good, send a PM to one of the schedulers for feedback on why it wasn't as good of a fit to be on tour as you'd thought.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 31, 2019 15:22:21 GMT -5
The problem here is that we all are thinking about what we like or dislike. I think we should look to this problem from another perspective. A bit less selfish.
Me, I joined this tour EXACTLY to reach the pro tour and to compete using master clubs. I love this simple idea.
But, after three months of play and the proofs that there's something wrong about master clubs, I must understand that here is not about me. Or someone else. Here is only about the fact that for a huge portion of players, the game is just different. Unfairly different. And this is not an opinion. Is a fact.
The new option that shows on the standings what system is used by every player, shows that Xbox players are really a lot. Really. I suppose they are maybe the 40%. So we're talking about almost the half of us. Not exactly a minorance.
Not counting those Xbox players that decided to quit the tour exactly for this issue. And I know they're a lot. Is not absurd that someone is forced to quit a tour born to crossover the systems, just cause his system don't works well enough?
So..for me now the question that needs an answer, here, is not what me or we want or prefer, but simply this : what is more important for us as COMMUNITY? To guarantee the harder and more enjoyable challenge for the half of us, even if this choice will continue to affect and to ruin the experience for the other half, or to do everything we can to provide a fair game for everyone, even if this means to renounce, everybody, to some portion of our enjoyment?
The truth is that i really dislike the idea to play a pro tour with something different than master clubs. I totally dislike it. But is easy for me. And probably a bit selfish. I'm a PC player, the game has really few issues for me, but nothing dramatic. If i should play on Xbox I could feel the same? I don't know but... Probably not. And you?
I think that the right thing to do should be to ask to the Xbox players what they wants. A poll. Not here on the forum, but via mail, to reach even who don't use the forum or who stopped to play the game exactly for this issue. Ask to them. I know a good number of them wants anyway to play with master clubs and no matter what. Let's see what all they want.
And if some renounce is needed to guarantee enjoyment for all, I'll be happy to renounce to master clubs.
Enjoyment is important, but I believe is more important that this enjoyment is for all, not just for someone. We have the chance to do something great, as a community. Ask to who suffer more the issue. And let's this decision in their hands.
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Post by titaneddie on Jul 31, 2019 15:25:03 GMT -5
On xbox started the year in web coming out of q-school with masters.
After a month or so kinda saw the writing on the wall and didn't bother competing in any tourneys.
Some time later i dropped down to cc to give competing with players clubs a go. Played a few weeks but although i cant really explain it, it just wasnt as much "fun" playing with those clubs. Game just felt weird playing with them.
Sucks for us xboxers but i dont think its fair to not let the other platforms use masters. Is what it is. Hopefully hb can get this right at some point.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 31, 2019 15:52:29 GMT -5
With just about a full season under my belt and countless rounds as a ranger, I've always played with master clubs.
Now, initially I thought XB gave me random VF or VS downswing, but lately I don't think that's the case. My swing tempo has stabilized and if I get VF, I can tell it was something I did, like catch my thumb on the bottom edge of the controller (I use chess piece method to swing). I don't remember the last time I had a VS!
So, obviously I stuck with it and frustration early had turned into much better play and I no longer believe XB is as 'broken' as many thought initially. I don't think so anyway.
Data will show that there is a clear difference between swing planes on the systems, but that data was also reviewed very early on in the season.
I guess all I'm saying is one can't get any better with what one has if one doesn't keep at it.
No forced Pro Clubs only please!!
Pro clubs will show more consistency in data because they are easier to use, larger 'cone' to deviate from.
If any change is made, please make it a choice. If I choose to play with masters in a tour dominated by pro, that's my choice. Ultimately we all want to play the game that gives us the most enjoyment.
For me, that is Master clubs all the way!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 16:43:44 GMT -5
No forced clubs all the way! Beginner/pro/masters clubs for everyone. Choose your poison and let the SCORE lead the way x
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Post by Doyley on Jul 31, 2019 16:56:24 GMT -5
You guys are really fixed on that throw in question - not totally surprised by the results so far.
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Post by ksmith851 on Jul 31, 2019 17:30:48 GMT -5
As a newer member here and an Xbox masters club user in CC-C, I think things here are pretty great. I think with the addition of the masters v pro filters now, it’s almost like having a master and pro version of each circuit level. The only change I would make is an auto promote for the top master club user each week (but only auto promote for the top pro club user if they outright win).
I think the addition of 1 “pga tour level” for pro club users only could make some people happy, have it play similar events as the masters club pga tour. And it would be the step up from CC-A for pro club users.
Just food for thought.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 31, 2019 18:06:04 GMT -5
I would say take away the fear of a demotion mark if you try to use Master Clubs on the CC tours and below.
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Post by rich68 on Jul 31, 2019 19:05:22 GMT -5
Pro clubs have a real putting advantage..they do. Master and Pro clubs need to be separated and I believe that would make a huge difference. A pro player winning a tour by 1,2 strokes over a master player is just not fair. Look at how many societies there are now that are Master Clubs only with over 100-200 members. People want to play against the same club set . IMO, this is the # 1 thing I would change ASAP. Thanks for listening. PS. I would quit the tour before I would play pro clubs
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Post by ksmith851 on Jul 31, 2019 20:28:17 GMT -5
After finishing my CC-Pro event on masters clubs I just decided to try round 3 conditions as a practice round using pro clubs to see the difference. Holy crap. Talk about stress free golf. Basically auto perfect-perfect every shot. Please don’t require that to play in this community.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jul 31, 2019 21:34:27 GMT -5
You guys are really fixed on that throw in question - not totally surprised by the results so far. You had to put something in there to stir the pot.... Maybe we should link back over to the other clubset debate threads... Drag out the horses, I'll bring the bats....LOL Seriously though guys (all admins) - You have one hell of a thing going here, hats off to you all. If you change nothing, it'll still be great! |
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Post by lions67 on Jul 31, 2019 22:57:02 GMT -5
Let me say this. Beginner clubs have NO PLACE on tour!! At least not in CC. Allow them back in regular tour, forget it!
Doyley Warning - forum timeout not far off
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Post by greyosprey on Aug 1, 2019 2:31:51 GMT -5
Meh...leave the clubs alone. Turn off green grids, scout cam, and ball marker. 😉😊 Sorry, couldn't resist. 😁
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Post by inflames47 on Aug 1, 2019 3:09:54 GMT -5
My response is a simple one that I feel would be fair all the way around. Master Tour (master clubs only) Pro Tour ( pro clubs only) Beginner tour (beginner clubs only). One cannot use different clubset than that tour one is placed in. This takes away all arguments of what club set is better than the other. Competition cannot be deemed unfair due to club sets ( master is longer, pro is more accurate, and leave the beginners alone people they want to be where you are today but need time to learn what adjustments need to be made to make them play better or perhaps they enjoy the game on that club set better than struggling with pro or master clubs).
If a player wins in their tour, then they move up and must play club set for that tour. It is just that simple.
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Post by gdog on Aug 1, 2019 3:14:35 GMT -5
My response is a simple one that I feel would be fair all the way around. Master Tour (master clubs only) Pro Tour ( pro clubs only) Beginner tour (beginner clubs only). One cannot use different clubset than that tour one is placed in. This takes away all arguments of what club set is better than the other. Competition cannot be deemed unfair due to club sets ( master is longer, pro is more accurate, and leave the beginners alone people they want to be where you are today but need time to learn what adjustments need to be made to make them play better or perhaps they enjoy the game on that club set better than struggling with pro or master clubs). If a player wins in their tour, then they move up and must play club set for that tour. It is just that simple. And how would you address the Playstation having a huge advantage? A master tour for them? See the further we go down this route the further we get away from what tgctours is about. |
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