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Post by xEB50x on Jul 31, 2019 10:51:28 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
100% agree. It would make no sense to have the so-called best players in the world playing with an easier set of clubs, when a more difficult set is provided to challenge the best players.
I say this as an xbox Master club player. I would never switch to PS4 just to compete, and would never want to play the game with Pro clubs. However, these are only my feelings and I respect others views on this topic as well.
Pro clubs only across all tours was an easy NO for me, and I hope it doesn't go that way.
I understand the master clubs are not balanced, and this is the issue going forward, how to make a level playing field?
1. Split tours by platform? 2. Split tours by club set? 3. Provide each platform it's own WGR ,FedEx, and Money lists?
Very tough decisions to be made.
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Post by Airik3333 on Jul 31, 2019 11:36:15 GMT -5
Where was the question asking if we all want to go back to TGC1 ?
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Post by rob4590 on Jul 31, 2019 11:36:37 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
100% agree. It would make no sense to have the so-called best players in the world playing with an easier set of clubs, when a more difficult set is provided to challenge the best players.
I say this as an xbox Master club player. I would never switch to PS4 just to compete, and would never want to play the game with Pro clubs. However, these are only my feelings and I respect others views on this topic as well.
Pro clubs only across all tours was an easy NO for me, and I hope it doesn't go that way.
I understand the master clubs are not balanced, and this is the issue going forward, how to make a level playing field?
1. Split tours by platform? 2. Split tours by club set? 3. Provide each platform it's own WGR ,FedEx, and Money lists?
Very tough decisions to be made.
Splitting by platform is entirely contrary IMO to the whole point of TGCT - it is supposed to be a cross platform website, providing a way of competing with everyone in the game.
And also agree that forcing the top players to play anything but Master clubs is crazy.
The bit I forgot to put in my survey answers was for much more severe punishments for REPEAT API failers (stressing REPEAT)
One fail can be bad luck / bad controller / ignorance / other issues out of the player's control. Repeats (given that you can get lots of help and advice from admins if you fail) are therefore solely down to the player deliberately trying to cheat, or at best, trying to get as close to the (straight!) line as possible.
If people can't play fair - then boot them out for longer than a DQ for just that week. There needs to be a suitable punishment for repeat offenders, which there really isn't currently
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Post by lessthanbread on Jul 31, 2019 11:45:00 GMT -5
I completely agree forcing the top tier players to use anything but Masters is not the way to go. I would be curious to know, however, would the top players in the world actually have a tougher time scoring low with pro clubs? I, as a most certainly NOT top tier player, score much much better with the pro clubs because I am way more accurate with them. The accuracy gained using pro vs master far outweighs the drop in shot distance. For the top players, aren't they already accurate enough with master clubs that switching to pro clubs might actually hinder their scores because of the loss of distance (not being able to reach par 5s they normally would have)?
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Post by blend123 on Jul 31, 2019 12:00:59 GMT -5
Keep Masters in Pro Tours. But I do think the possibility of getting rid of promotional events and dropping the number of promotion/demotion marks to 3 could be a very good option. Too much movement with the promo events, but with less marks to move up or down I think it could even it out.
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Post by blend123 on Jul 31, 2019 12:04:31 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
100% agree. It would make no sense to have the so-called best players in the world playing with an easier set of clubs, when a more difficult set is provided to challenge the best players.
I say this as an xbox Master club player. I would never switch to PS4 just to compete, and would never want to play the game with Pro clubs. However, these are only my feelings and I respect others views on this topic as well.
Pro clubs only across all tours was an easy NO for me, and I hope it doesn't go that way.
I understand the master clubs are not balanced, and this is the issue going forward, how to make a level playing field?
1. Split tours by platform? 2. Split tours by club set? 3. Provide each platform it's own WGR ,FedEx, and Money lists?
Very tough decisions to be made.
#3 sounds like a lot of work. But man that would be sweet! Agree with all you said Rob. |
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jul 31, 2019 12:27:35 GMT -5
Scenario 1- Eliminate BCT- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)- Web: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)- Euro: Masters - PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls
Scenario 2
- Eliminate BCT
- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)
- Web: Pro or Masters
- Euro: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)
- PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls (or allow Pro, too, if that really makes a difference, but not sure it does at the PGA level)
Above everything else, please don't force Pro clubs everywhere, that would probably be the catalyst that drives me to stop playing the game, it's just not tons of fun for me playing with anything other than Masters. I couldn't care less if Pro is allowed on all levels (i.e., Pro clubs allowed on PGA), but forcing everyone to use Pro would be a really poor direction to go - again, in my humble opinion. Oh, and don't split by console, that will kill so much of what this place is about. The huge draw here is that it's a giant pool of players, regardless of console, which stretches beyond the constraints of the in-game experience. Segmenting tours by platform would complete eliminate that foundational element of TGCT.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 31, 2019 13:14:29 GMT -5
I would love to play master clubs on Xbox but the reality for me is that I will be just dropping down the tours because of my inconsistency in hitting the tempo right with the scoring clubs. In my opinion there is no incentive for me to play them, all the incentive is for people getting promotion marks not for avoiding them.
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jul 31, 2019 13:33:32 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
Most of the top tour is already playing on easy mode  |
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Post by HeMan1202 on Jul 31, 2019 13:36:34 GMT -5
Scenario 1- Eliminate BCT- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)- Web: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)- Euro: Masters - PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls
Scenario 2
- Eliminate BCT
- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)
- Web: Pro or Masters
- Euro: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)
- PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls (or allow Pro, too, if that really makes a difference, but not sure it does at the PGA level)
Above everything else, please don't force Pro clubs everywhere, that would probably be the catalyst that drives me to stop playing the game, it's just not tons of fun for me playing with anything other than Masters. I couldn't care less if Pro is allowed on all levels (i.e., Pro clubs allowed on PGA), but forcing everyone to use Pro would be a really poor direction to go - again, in my humble opinion. Oh, and don't split by console, that will kill so much of what this place is about. The huge draw here is that it's a giant pool of players, regardless of console, which stretches beyond the constraints of the in-game experience. Segmenting tours by platform would complete eliminate that foundational element of TGCT. Out of curiosity, why eliminate BCT? |
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Jul 31, 2019 13:48:02 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, why eliminate BCT? Simplify admin work, eliminate redundancy. It's my understanding that BCT exists because it's the only tour you're able to play with Beginner clubs, so if you allow them to be used on CC flights, that purpose becomes moot. Or if it really isn't much of a hassle for admin, leave it be, can be a fun tour for those involved, doesn't make a difference to me - just seemed like it would reduce the workload for Doyley et. al., but that's pure speculation, I have no clue if that would actually be the case. In fact, if it really is a place unto itself that those involved have grown fond of and don't want to see changed, then that's definitely a reason to argue against it's elimination that I wouldn't have insight on. I can only give opinions from my perspective, and since I haven't played on BCT, my perspective is obviously much more limited than those participating on that tour. So as with all things, taken with a grain of salt |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 31, 2019 14:24:04 GMT -5
Xbox player here. You can prise my Masters clubs out of my cold dead hands. Just saying....
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dustcastle7
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TGCT Name: Dustin Castleberry
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Post by dustcastle7 on Jul 31, 2019 14:38:11 GMT -5
Following vladthemert's comments, I agree it would be a delight if new courses had a showcase each week, optional to play, only counted toward promotion, and players could rank the course for future tournament inclusion.
I have submitted two courses that were rejected by the tour, but on HB regular play they both have 5/4.5 ratings after hundreds of players. Perhaps one person's opinion shouldn't determine the fate of the course. Let the players rank it for inclusion or rejection.
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dustcastle7
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TGCT Name: Dustin Castleberry
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Post by dustcastle7 on Jul 31, 2019 14:43:32 GMT -5
Following vladthemert's comments, I agree it would be a delight if new courses had a showcase each week, optional to play, only counted toward promotion, and players could rank the course for future tournament inclusion.
I have submitted two courses that were rejected by the tour, but on HB regular play they both have 5/4.5 ratings after hundreds of players. Perhaps one person's opinion shouldn't determine the fate of the course. Let the players rank it for inclusion or rejection.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 31, 2019 14:48:09 GMT -5
The main difference between the two clubs is not exactly the accuracy. And I feel it mainly on putting, while from tee to green is not too different. Probably a lot of people would use master clubs if the accuracy would be the only difference. The real issue with master clubs Is the number of randomic very fast/ very slow downswing per round. Playing on pc, with pro clubs, i suffer more or less one very slow swing (mainly slow. Fast is rare) every 3 round, unless I have some issue with my connection. With master clubs I suffer at least 1-2 per round. Is a huge difference, cause is something can screw up your round. I decided to use pro clubs until I'll reach the cc-a, for example, cause the distances, on cc, normally are not a great issue. My game would suffer a lot more a great number of super slow swing than a longer approach on every hole. And numbers says that for Xbox players is a lot, a lot worst. Probably the unfair difference between systems using master clubs is the worst issue on this tour, actually. And is one of the few things we can't solve, sadly. Could not agree less. Just played round 4 of IB with Pro clubs. Only difference I felt was the lack of distance. Putting felt no different. Sticking with Masters, come hell or high water. Maybe you're just a very good/confident putter Art? I've seen it argued, WITH statistical/graphical evidence, very convincingly that putting is harder, or more strict, on masters. The cone is significantly smaller, for one thing. (Therefore significantly easier to push or pull a putt slightly...) |
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