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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 31, 2019 7:21:46 GMT -5
I've never played anything but Master Clubs. I never thought the accuracy of Pros was so much more than Masters but the distance is vastly better with Masters. The main difference between the two clubs is not exactly the accuracy. And I feel it mainly on putting, while from tee to green is not too different. Probably a lot of people would use master clubs if the accuracy would be the only difference. The real issue with master clubs Is the number of randomic very fast/ very slow downswing per round. Playing on pc, with pro clubs, i suffer more or less one very slow swing (mainly slow. Fast is rare) every 3 round, unless I have some issue with my connection. With master clubs I suffer at least 1-2 per round. Is a huge difference, cause is something can screw up your round. I decided to use pro clubs until I'll reach the cc-a, for example, cause the distances, on cc, normally are not a great issue. My game would suffer a lot more a great number of super slow swing than a longer approach on every hole. And numbers says that for Xbox players is a lot, a lot worst. Probably the unfair difference between systems using master clubs is the worst issue on this tour, actually. And is one of the few things we can't solve, sadly. |
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Post by davidmorgs on Jul 31, 2019 7:45:51 GMT -5
Genuinely torn on the pro/master clubs question.
I think overall we should all be using Master clubs however its unrealistic to expect when there is a clear platform differential
As an Xbox player I use the pro clubs myself, however am regularly testing the master clubs and can never quite replicate my pro club scores, this is normally down to:
- 1/2 disaster swings per round
- Slight loss of wedge accuracy using the Master clubs (this ones on me, not the machine I expect!)
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 31, 2019 7:46:16 GMT -5
I've never played anything but Master Clubs. I never thought the accuracy of Pros was so much more than Masters but the distance is vastly better with Masters. The main difference between the two clubs is not exactly the accuracy. And I feel it mainly on putting, while from tee to green is not too different. Probably a lot of people would use master clubs if the accuracy would be the only difference. The real issue with master clubs Is the number of randomic very fast/ very slow downswing per round. Playing on pc, with pro clubs, i suffer more or less one very slow swing (mainly slow. Fast is rare) every 3 round, unless I have some issue with my connection. With master clubs I suffer at least 1-2 per round. Is a huge difference, cause is something can screw up your round. I decided to use pro clubs until I'll reach the cc-a, for example, cause the distances, on cc, normally are not a great issue. My game would suffer a lot more a great number of super slow swing than a longer approach on every hole. And numbers says that for Xbox players is a lot, a lot worst. Probably the unfair difference between systems using master clubs is the worst issue on this tour, actually. And is one of the few things we can't solve, sadly. Could not agree less. Just played round 4 of IB with Pro clubs. Only difference I felt was the lack of distance. Putting felt no different. Sticking with Masters, come hell or high water. |
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Post by theviciousvicar on Jul 31, 2019 7:53:35 GMT -5
Great survey, selected Pro Clubs across the board, not because they are easier (which they are), but because of the erratic tempo issue Xbox users have with master clubs, so a level playing field seems fair.
In my rush to get the survey finish I never noticed the comments box at the bottom otherwise I would have added a few bits.
1, rename all the Challenge Tours, i.e CC-A = European Challenge Tour, CC-B = PGA Tour Latin America, and so on down to CC-Z, with proper earnings which mirror real life.
2, bring the European back into line with the PGA tour, (but no tour hopping) giving the same WGR points and leave the special events society for Majors WGC events etc.
I know it would mean a lot of work for the admins so it would,nt be implemented, so I,ll just go with the flow and enjoy.
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Post by JosiaDB on Jul 31, 2019 7:54:40 GMT -5
me too, Art Vandelay !!! I spent way too much time learning the transition from Pros to Masters when I went from TGC2 to TCG2019. I love playing with the Masters now, too much. If Pros are forced, I'll just stay playing U.S.E., courses I see designed here for fun, and single player only. which is what I am doing now, and ok with it.
Great survey though, I really appreciate being able to not only give thoughts on the number scale, but the comment/suggestion fields.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 31, 2019 8:00:00 GMT -5
The main difference between the two clubs is not exactly the accuracy. And I feel it mainly on putting, while from tee to green is not too different. Probably a lot of people would use master clubs if the accuracy would be the only difference. The real issue with master clubs Is the number of randomic very fast/ very slow downswing per round. Playing on pc, with pro clubs, i suffer more or less one very slow swing (mainly slow. Fast is rare) every 3 round, unless I have some issue with my connection. With master clubs I suffer at least 1-2 per round. Is a huge difference, cause is something can screw up your round. I decided to use pro clubs until I'll reach the cc-a, for example, cause the distances, on cc, normally are not a great issue. My game would suffer a lot more a great number of super slow swing than a longer approach on every hole. And numbers says that for Xbox players is a lot, a lot worst. Probably the unfair difference between systems using master clubs is the worst issue on this tour, actually. And is one of the few things we can't solve, sadly. Could not agree less. Just played round 4 of IB with Pro clubs. Only difference I felt was the lack of distance. Putting felt no different. Sticking with Masters, come hell or high water. I don't know what to say, mate  is strange (but great, for me) how much anyone can see things in a different way. For example, I find a bit easier to use chip and, mainly, flop shots with master clubs. The ball seems to have more spin than with pro clubs, but it could be just an impression, I don't know. About putting, anyway, I was not talking about differences in the behavior of the putt. I meant simply that, having some issue to keep a straight line on my putt, with the blue line less fatter when I use master clubs, is a lot harder for me. I have not found other huge differences, honestly. Edit: There is also to say that the way I explained my thought in that post was wrong. My bad. I meant to say that using putt I feel the greater difference about accuracy between the two clubs, but I built my phrase in a stupid way. |
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Post by lessthanbread on Jul 31, 2019 9:02:29 GMT -5
Either way the chips fall with this one, love this site and love the tours. Unfortunately been on a break from tour play lately to focus on designing and course reviewing.
Just giving my two cents and I'm in no way pushing for this, just kind of my preference for consideration, again, I love TGCT either way. What if the tours were completely separated by clubs? PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Master clubs and PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Pro clubs. Or if it would make more sense, split the tours by system. Xbox/PC tours and PS4 tours.
I don't know if there are enough players in both clubsets/systems for that kind of setup or if that would be a nightmare to run for administrators/schedulers.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 31, 2019 9:30:56 GMT -5
I agree with Arthur I find no difference between putting with pro or master clubs it’s such a slow push on the stick it’s easy to keep the swing line in the blue. I don’t find driver with the master clubs to difficult I get the odd very fast downswing but the irons I find particularly difficult to get accuracy on the length. I either get a fast downswing which goes long and left or a slow downswing which goes long and right. It’s not a problem with the driver but it is with the shorter irons where you need accuracy. I still get fast and slow downswings with the pro clubs but not as many times a round I’m usually P/P with the irons leaving my proximity to the hole better and so my putting is usually better because of it. I play on Xbox so my comments are to do with that system. A practical example of the difference between club-sets on Xbox, I played most of the season using Pro clubs and my handicap in game got to +27 my last four weeks I have played with the master clubs and my handicap has dipped to +11 and I’ve been demoted down to CC-B and this week it looks like I’m going to pick up another two strikes because of using Master Clubs. If I continue using Master Clubs I’m just going to end up tumbling down the tours until I get to a point where I pack up all together, if I was playing against Xbox players only I can accept that but we are playing an across platform tour which has been shown to not be a level playing field with the master clubs.
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Post by lessangster on Jul 31, 2019 9:35:02 GMT -5
I've never played anything but Master Clubs. I never thought the accuracy of Pros was so much more than Masters but the distance is vastly better with Masters. Arthur you play on PC don’t you I can assure you there is a difference between the two club sets accuracy particularly with the irons on Xbox. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 31, 2019 9:43:42 GMT -5
Either way the chips fall with this one, love this site and love the tours. Unfortunately been on a break from tour play lately to focus on designing and course reviewing. Just giving my two cents and I'm in no way pushing for this, just kind of my preference for consideration, again, I love TGCT either way. What if the tours were completely separated by clubs? PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Master clubs and PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Pro clubs. I don't know if there are enough players in both clubsets for that kind of setup or if that would be a nightmare to run for administrators/schedulers. I suspect that, considering we suffer this issue on master clubs depending what system you use to play, the way a bit more probable and simple to solve any disparity could be to have a pro clubs tour only. Cause even with separated tours, still we would have complaints about the differences between systems. Is sad to admit, but analyzing our options and the data, maybe this is really the only way to have some uniformity in this game. I don't know what to think. In any case it will be something important to lose. I love the idea to play with master clubs at the pro level. But probably if I would play with Xbox I would hate it. I think there are also a lot, the Xbox players who decided to quit the tour exactly for this, cause the game is too frustrating and unfair for them. And probably we must think even to this, taking any decision. On another side, I have also to admit that if in some way the switch to pro clubs could help to minimize the advantage of short flickers, I would happy to embrace the change. With no more doubts. This shame must be fought in every way and I think it should be an absolute priority. |
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Post by GW_Hope on Jul 31, 2019 9:52:27 GMT -5
Maybe a end of season pro club tourney or two as a test? All members
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 31, 2019 9:58:42 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
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Post by lessthanbread on Jul 31, 2019 10:00:03 GMT -5
Either way the chips fall with this one, love this site and love the tours. Unfortunately been on a break from tour play lately to focus on designing and course reviewing. Just giving my two cents and I'm in no way pushing for this, just kind of my preference for consideration, again, I love TGCT either way. What if the tours were completely separated by clubs? PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Master clubs and PGA, Euro, Web, and CC for Pro clubs. I don't know if there are enough players in both clubsets for that kind of setup or if that would be a nightmare to run for administrators/schedulers. I suspect that, considering we suffer this issue on master clubs depending what system you use to play, the way a bit more probable and simple to solve any disparity could be to have a pro clubs tour only. Cause even with separated tours, still we would have complaints about the differences between systems. Is sad to admit, but analyzing our options and the data, maybe this is really the only way to have some uniformity in this game. I don't know what to think. In any case it will be something important to lose. I love the idea to play with master clubs at the pro level. But probably if I would play with Xbox I would hate it. I think there are also a lot, the Xbox players who decided to quit the tour exactly for this, cause the game is too frustrating and unfair for them. And probably we must think even to this, taking any decision. On another side, I have also to admit that if in some way the switch to pro clubs could help to minimize the advantage of short flickers, I would happy to embrace the change. With no more doubts. This shame must be fought in every way and I think it should be an absolute priority. Yep, tough either way. That's why I just want to thank the admins and all volunteers for the great work they have done and continue to do here. It's never going to be perfect for everyone but this site is something truly special and unique |
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Post by lessangster on Jul 31, 2019 10:06:10 GMT -5
There are players that used to play Xbox have actually switched to PS4 to keep their place on the top tours.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 31, 2019 10:17:25 GMT -5
To thank admins, schedulers, rangers, reviewers, designers and anyone who spends his time and energies is simply implicit for me. Always. Even when i disagree with something. I could never say enough how much this game would be almost useless without this community. This tour & community is, in fact, the only reason why I bought this game. Otherwise I still would play TW14 alone and happy. No doubt on this. This tour is the best online game of sport i could ever imagine.
But the things absolutely stunning here is the continue desire to improve. Pushing people to participate and to share ideas and thoughts. I'm here by three months and i saw this tour always improving. Always try to be better. This thing is the real miracle here. Simply priceless.
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is strange (but great, for me) how much anyone can see things in a different way. For example, I find a bit easier to use chip and, mainly, flop shots with master clubs. The ball seems to have more spin than with pro clubs, but it could be just an impression, I don't know.
