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Post by paulus on Aug 3, 2019 8:52:49 GMT -5
Repeat, it's all about having fun. You don't need to repeat this - it's redundant opinion - everyone both side of the debate is looking to have fun. For some, they feel the fun is spoiled when everyone is not competing on a level playing field. How much they feel the fun is reduced, varies from individual to individual it seems. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 3, 2019 9:16:24 GMT -5
Repeat, it's all about having fun. You don't need to repeat this - it's redundant opinion - everyone both side of the debate is looking to have fun. For some, they feel the fun is spoiled when everyone is not competing on a level playing field. How much they feel the fun is reduced, varies from individual to individual it seems. Ya, I get it.. Has any thought been put into using a HCP system? If there's is a disparity of scores between the systems, then wouldn't HCP help to level the field? Not sure how much more work this would be for the admins, food for thought.. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 9:47:03 GMT -5
No way should the top tour be playing the game in easy mode (or at least they shouldn't be forced to).
100% agree. It would make no sense to have the so-called best players in the world playing with an easier set of clubs, when a more difficult set is provided to challenge the best players.
I say this as an xbox Master club player. I would never switch to PS4 just to compete, and would never want to play the game with Pro clubs. However, these are only my feelings and I respect others views on this topic as well.
Pro clubs only across all tours was an easy NO for me, and I hope it doesn't go that way.
I understand the master clubs are not balanced, and this is the issue going forward, how to make a level playing field?
1. Split tours by platform? 2. Split tours by club set? 3. Provide each platform it's own WGR ,FedEx, and Money lists?
Very tough decisions to be made.
This is an easy response for me, and is in no way a TGCT issue. If the ps4 Master Club set had the SAME LEVEL OF DIFFICULTY as the xbox Master Club set, not one person would have an issue. I also believe that going pro clubs for all tours is a knee jerk decision, especially without knowing if a new game is coming out in the next 6 months or so. I say this with complete respect, knowing full well the time and hard work the administrators of TGCT put into the game and this site: If TGCT goes pro clubs for all users (pro and CC), I won't play. It would be robot/target golf for every player and we'd see -60 scores barely making the top 10. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 9:50:52 GMT -5
Keep Masters in Pro Tours. But I do think the possibility of getting rid of promotional events and dropping the number of promotion/demotion marks to 3 could be a very good option. Too much movement with the promo events, but with less marks to move up or down I think it could even it out. Dropping promotional events is the ONLY way for Xbox master club users to get promoted. It was the ONLY way I made it to Euro tour because only having top 10 getting promotion marks is simply ludicrous for Xbox players on master club set. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 10:04:30 GMT -5
Scenario 1- Eliminate BCT- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)- Web: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)- Euro: Masters - PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls
Scenario 2
- Eliminate BCT
- CC Flights: Beginner, Pro, or Masters (accelerated promotion for Pro & Masters players)
- Web: Pro or Masters
- Euro: Pro or Masters (accelerated promotion for Masters players)
- PGA: Masters, with some sort of system of accountability in place for multi-API pulls (or allow Pro, too, if that really makes a difference, but not sure it does at the PGA level)
Above everything else, please don't force Pro clubs everywhere, that would probably be the catalyst that drives me to stop playing the game, it's just not tons of fun for me playing with anything other than Masters. I couldn't care less if Pro is allowed on all levels (i.e., Pro clubs allowed on PGA), but forcing everyone to use Pro would be a really poor direction to go - again, in my humble opinion. Oh, and don't split by console, that will kill so much of what this place is about. The huge draw here is that it's a giant pool of players, regardless of console, which stretches beyond the constraints of the in-game experience. Segmenting tours by platform would complete eliminate that foundational element of TGCT. I'm going to throw this out there too. What happens if a new game comes out and the console difficulty is reversed? My only issue with this game and the way promotion occurs in TGCT is the fact that you need to be a ps4 or PC player to have ANY chance of being promoted. Of course, once in a great while, the sun shines on the best Xbox master club player and he places top 3 or (gasp) wins a tournament. I'm totally with you regarding forced pro clubs. That occurs, I'm out. But let's say this happens, with the option for those comfortable playing master clubs staying as is. There will be NO CHANCE for the master club set to get any promotion marks, as I believe the accuracy of pro clubs is much more of an advantage than the slight loss in club distance. I'm totally with you regarding keeping TGCT as an entire community. There are FAR more ps4 players than xbox and PC players combined. The last thing I want to do is compete against 50 xbox players each week, as that is what societies are for. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 10:06:34 GMT -5
Xbox player here. You can prise my Masters clubs out of my cold dead hands. Just saying.... This is why Friday night alt shot/skins is the best golf experience I have going right now. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 10:16:54 GMT -5
Personally I think most Xbox players by now "get it" and understand that this platform being on the short end of the stick in terms of being competitive has grown progressively worse over the last two cycles of the game. Some press on anyway, other have quit playing altogether or changed to a more competitive platform. The choice is theirs. I have no data backing this up but I would venture a guess that if it was not for promotion events getting some of the Xbox guys out of CC Purgatory there would be even less people on this platform playing in tours. Those event results were huge in comparison to having to get a rare win or getting 5 promotion marks. At the present time, the way things are right now the tours really is just 2-4 rounds of golf, nothing more really. There are a few rivalries here and there amongst guys on our same platform however the overall thrill and excitement I had playing in the tours against a network of Xbox friends and working my way up along side them is no longer there like it used to be. Thankfully people have found other outlets to try to enjoy their experience whether it be the BCT, weekly competition streams, and larger platform societies that have made their focus (and popularity) based on having divisions of same club sets. These types of things seem have brought much more enjoyment and competition to the table for myself and others I know as a TGCT replacement. I am almost certain there are the same types of things ongoing on the other platforms as well. I know it was kind of thrown around earlier this year of having PS4 on its own type of tour next season if nothing changes which most certainly would not get much blowback from me. Although I don’t know much about Steam and what they deal with I wouldn’t have a problem lumping the other two platforms together as their successes seem about as futile as Xbox. And yes, I know the tours was started to be one stop location for all platforms to play and compete against each other and for a long time it seemed to work out okay. In todays game the dominance and advantages of one platform are pretty hard to ignore anymore. So I understand what the admins are trying to do here. The game has changed (for better or worse) which has made a great deal of painful decisions or work arounds possible up to now to try and maintain some sort of competitiveness to the tours. We/they can either try to adapt or change things as needed or do nothing. Either road traveled is bound to have some kind of pushback to some degree but I can appreciate them trying to get in front of things with the survey. 14 pt bold red font. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 10:27:31 GMT -5
I've made the cut on the Euro Tour this week against all those PS4 players. I'm going to finish about 65th. This is a good week  Obviously we all hope the next incarnation evens things back up again, nobody is pretending this is ideal. It is what it is. So we completely change the whole ethos of these tours and then find the next game works properly and have to go through the whole process of changing it back again? Not for me, I say we ride it out and hope for better in the not too distant future. If the next game is the same, well then perhaps that changes things. In the meantime just play and enjoy the little wins, and join some good societies! Why everyone on Xbox isn't in CUCC I don't know? This. |
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Post by blend123 on Aug 3, 2019 10:31:05 GMT -5
Keep Masters in Pro Tours. But I do think the possibility of getting rid of promotional events and dropping the number of promotion/demotion marks to 3 could be a very good option. Too much movement with the promo events, but with less marks to move up or down I think it could even it out. Dropping promotional events is the ONLY way for Xbox master club users to get promoted. It was the ONLY way I made it to Euro tour because only having top 10 getting promotion marks is simply ludicrous for Xbox players on master club set. Could have Xbox users within the top 15 get a check or allow Xbox users to promote after 3 checks in pro tours. |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Aug 3, 2019 11:01:55 GMT -5
Keep Masters in Pro Tours. But I do think the possibility of getting rid of promotional events and dropping the number of promotion/demotion marks to 3 could be a very good option. Too much movement with the promo events, but with less marks to move up or down I think it could even it out. Dropping promotional events is the ONLY way for Xbox master club users to get promoted. It was the ONLY way I made it to Euro tour because only having top 10 getting promotion marks is simply ludicrous for Xbox players on master club set. What about master only clubset for any promo event.... |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 3, 2019 11:02:57 GMT -5
To me it’s all about Xbox players keeping a demotion mark off your card if you use Master Clubs, I tried my first two rounds this week with masters and didn’t score that well so switched back to pro clubs to try and rescue at least one demo mark to no avail. Two strikes coming my way, and to the person that wrote if we use Pro clubs there will be lots of 60 and under scores, Hello PS4 player are doing that now with master clubs.....give us a chance to catch up.
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Post by lessangster on Aug 3, 2019 11:05:19 GMT -5
Dropping promotional events is the ONLY way for Xbox master club users to get promoted. It was the ONLY way I made it to Euro tour because only having top 10 getting promotion marks is simply ludicrous for Xbox players on master club set. What about master only clubset for any promo event.... I only qualified for CC-A because I used pro clubs if the qualifier was master only I wouldn’t compete, I may as well drops off the tours because I’m not competitive and I don’t enjoy just making up the numbers. If you make the qualifiers Master only your just handing an advantage to more PS4 players to get on the top tours. |
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Post by moneyman273 on Aug 3, 2019 11:11:26 GMT -5
Dropping promotional events is the ONLY way for Xbox master club users to get promoted. It was the ONLY way I made it to Euro tour because only having top 10 getting promotion marks is simply ludicrous for Xbox players on master club set. Could have Xbox users within the top 15 get a check or allow Xbox users to promote after 3 checks in pro tours. Considering most weeks, there may be two, possibly three Xbox users in the top 20, I'd be on board with promotion marks for a top 20 on the Xbox side. |
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Aug 3, 2019 11:16:57 GMT -5
To me it’s all about Xbox players keeping a demotion mark off your card if you use Master Clubs, I tried my first two rounds this week with masters and didn’t score that well so switched back to pro clubs to try and rescue at least one demo mark to no avail. Don't admit that Les, they'll be out with their pitchforks. |
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Post by lessangster on Aug 3, 2019 11:22:48 GMT -5
To me it’s all about Xbox players keeping a demotion mark off your card if you use Master Clubs, I tried my first two rounds this week with masters and didn’t score that well so switched back to pro clubs to try and rescue at least one demo mark to no avail. Don't admit that Les, they'll be out with their pitchforks. I’m past caring now Pat none of them are going to tell me how to enjoy a game I bought. |
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