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Post by LKeet6 on Oct 12, 2019 13:43:58 GMT -5
Hope I'm not speaking for Paul, but we've discussed this at length privately, and he did say here publicly that he has no "cheating" issues with chipping from bunkers and/or using tempo to control power.
It's purely an aesthetic and realism issue for him, which I totally get.
I operate within th confines of what the game gives me. I don't find partial swings realistic either, so I use tempo, as I prefer it...
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Post by ChipsforAces on Oct 12, 2019 13:59:15 GMT -5
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 12, 2019 14:02:13 GMT -5
Hope I'm not speaking for Paul, but we've discussed this at length privately, and he did say here publicly that he has no "cheating" issues with chipping from bunkers and/or using tempo to control power. It's purely an aesthetic and realism issue for him, which I totally get. I operate within th confines of what the game gives me. I don't find partial swings realistic either, so I use tempo, as I prefer it... Partial swing.....tempo.....aren't these sorta the same thing? Or so closely related you would not marry them?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 14:30:22 GMT -5
I also use tempo on chip shots, but partial on flops and pitches. The way this is implemented in the game is not good - though I find that partials is doable with flops and pitches. Partial on chip is for me impossible - I have no chance to see where in the swing I am, but I will try to do this in some practice to get the feel also for chip shots - because tempo is just unrealistic.
The way you have distance control in golf is with adjusting backswing length - from putting to full shots. A pitch is just a partial shot - normal is to have 1/3 to 3/4 swings with the same effort. All you do is to feel for how long you need to swing to get correct distance. A flop shot is just a shot with an open wedge to increase loft - all the way to a full swing - but this carries risk, because you try to hit high and short, but with great power that can lead to disaster if you hit the ball thin. Also, most golfers will use the lob wedge on all shots inside a full shot with the lob wedge - but I know that Koepka has said he don't hit full shots with his lob wedge because it spins too much, so he instead uses a partial shot with a sand or gap wedge.
I would also like to point out that you can have a sole on the wedge suitable for opening the face on a sand or gap wedge, but this is not common. Why would you open the face on any of these clubs when you can hit a lob wedge? If Your bounce and sole lift the leading edge on the clubface when you open the club, you will have a very hard time hitting flop shots - try to imagine doing this with such a club on a tight lie..
I do not chip from bunkers - yes, amateurs who do lots of weird stuff, but on a level that pro golf is simulating, you will always hit explosive shots from green bunkers. This has not been implemented in the game, so flop is the closest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 14:41:29 GMT -5
Hope I'm not speaking for Paul, but we've discussed this at length privately, and he did say here publicly that he has no "cheating" issues with chipping from bunkers and/or using tempo to control power. It's purely an aesthetic and realism issue for him, which I totally get. I operate within th confines of what the game gives me. I don't find partial swings realistic either, so I use tempo, as I prefer it... Not sure why you don't find partial swings unrealistic Leon. The chipping is about feel for distance it's about how far you swing back the club as is a pitch Shot. I do find partial shot pitches the toughest to judge distances on this game. The distance manipulation through a slow backswing is a total nonsense and is not golf. The whole idea of not having a loft box is it is unrealistic as much as slow backswing for less distance is unrealistic. The short game plays perfectly fine with partial shots. As for sand, maybe you could chip or putt out of hard compacted sand irl. The soft fine sand we play on top courses you wouldn't have a hope of chipping out of with a LW or SW the clean contact is such a fine line with a lofted club. I have never seen a pro on TV ever chip out of a greenside bunker once. I played my societies last tournament of the year today. It was extremely wet and I found alot of bunkers today with wet compacted sound. My sand game was spot on, still needed to open up that SW face and really commit to the shot. The only successful way I can see chipping out of a bunker is with a chipper.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 14:57:44 GMT -5
I also use tempo on chip shots, but partial on flops and pitches. The way this is implemented in the game is not good - though I find that partials is doable with flops and pitches. Partial on chip is for me impossible - I have no chance to see where in the swing I am, but I will try to do this in some practice to get the feel also for chip shots - because tempo is just unrealistic. The way you have distance control in golf is with adjusting backswing length - from putting to full shots. A pitch is just a partial shot - normal is to have 1/3 to 3/4 swings with the same effort. All you do is to feel for how long you need to swing to get correct distance. A flop shot is just a shot with an open wedge to increase loft - all the way to a full swing - but this carries risk, because you try to hit high and short, but with great power that can lead to disaster if you hit the ball thin. Also, most golfers will use the lob wedge on all shots inside a full shot with the lob wedge - but I know that Koepka has said he don't hit full shots with his lob wedge because it spins too much, so he instead uses a partial shot with a sand or gap wedge. I would also like to point out that you can have a sole on the wedge suitable for opening the face on a sand or gap wedge, but this is not common. Why would you open the face on any of these clubs when you can hit a lob wedge? If Your bounce and sole lift the leading edge on the clubface when you open the club, you will have a very hard time hitting flop shots - try to imagine doing this with such a club on a tight lie.. I do not chip from bunkers - yes, amateurs who do lots of weird stuff, but on a level that pro golf is simulating, you will always hit explosive shots from green bunkers. This has not been implemented in the game, so flop is the closest. Tbh Anders the partial shot chipping is something I have practised alot it is not too difficult in the game, I have been using partial flops out of bunkers since the beginning of TGC2. In real life I chip with my 6 iron up to my lob wedge,all depends on how much green I have to work with. I use my 55 degree SW for pitches unless there is no green to work with then I use my 60 degree. Never attempted the flop in real life, I would just chip or pitch with a 60 degree in that scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 15:10:03 GMT -5
Yeah, you also see pros use a fairway wood for chip shots, but from what I see - the norm has becoming more and more to stick with the lob wedge on almost all these shots. I find it to be much more consistent instead of mixing up with different clubs. This also goes for pitches - become friends with your lob wedge is my advice, but certainly fine to use a sand wedge. And you are ofcourse correct that it is perfectly fine to chip with any club in the bag. But; have you seen many pro's on the PGA tour chip with a lots of different clubs?
A thing to remember if you want to chip with a wood - the shaft is much more flexible, compared to a wedge, so in my opinion - it is more unpredictable. I would rather putt or use my wedge.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 15:26:23 GMT -5
Yeah, you also see pros use a fairway wood for chip shots, but from what I see - the norm has becoming more and more to stick with the lob wedge on almost all these shots. I find it to be much more consistent instead of mixing up with different clubs. This also goes for pitches - become friends with your lob wedge is my advice, but certainly fine to use a sand wedge. And you are ofcourse correct that it is perfectly fine to chip with any club in the bag. But; have you seen many pro's on the PGA tour chip with a lots of different clubs? A thing to remember if you want to chip with a wood - the shaft is much more flexible, compared to a wedge, so in my opinion - it is more unpredictable. I would rather putt or use my wedge. That's true about pros hitting higher loftier chips. The bump and run is seen more in links style golf.
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Post by yeltzman on Oct 12, 2019 16:15:38 GMT -5
Just had a few practice rounds playing Ultra sim (forgot the pin marker rule) Just wondering how long does it take for others to play a round in got 6 rounds in just over 2 hours,just wondering how quick others players take.Scores were not great at the 6 courses.
7 over at oak hill 7 over at augusta nationak 19 6 over at royal county down 4 over at merion 9 over at celtic manor Level at chambers bay
Saying that great way to play.glad i saw this Thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 16:23:03 GMT -5
Just had a few practice rounds playing Ultra sim (forgot the pin marker rule) Just wondering how long does it take for others to play a round in got 6 rounds in just over 2 hours,just wondering how quick others players take. For me it all depends on if I have ghost balls or not. Without a ghost I guess I play a round in ca 30 min - much depends on how easy/difficult the greens are to read. With a ghost, it does not take double, but it do take longer - I spend the most time on the greens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 19:45:33 GMT -5
Grind, grind, grind @ Congressional. Wonderful course. Round 4:
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Post by jeffbdvs on Oct 12, 2019 20:20:23 GMT -5
R4 was blah.
Just couldn’t get anything going. Bob has it nailed: grind, grind, grind.
+2 to finish -2. Meh.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 12, 2019 20:49:47 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing us back to scores jeffbdvs, I think under par is a GREAT score this week. Here is a shocker:
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Post by Ray on Oct 12, 2019 23:08:17 GMT -5
For various reasons, back to XBox for me. Wasn’t a chance of getting my rounds done this week, will be back for next weeks event 👍
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Post by Ray on Oct 12, 2019 23:15:01 GMT -5
Also - welcome Bob 👍
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