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Post by booze2407 on Oct 11, 2019 18:14:57 GMT -5
I pretty much shoot a full 100% backswing on every shot. I will attempt fasts if there’s no danger involved, as my stick can be pretty erratic when going for fasts, so it’s hard for me to know how much it’s going to hook. I have a tendency of pushing the stick way right (not on purpose). I 100% all of my chips and flops, used to do partial swings but since joining here have learned that I’m a lot more consistent just going all the way back and manipulating the tempo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 18:20:45 GMT -5
I pretty much shoot a full 100% backswing on every shot. I will attempt fasts if there’s no danger involved, as my stick can be pretty erratic when going for fasts, so it’s hard for me to know how much it’s going to hook. I have a tendency of pushing the stick way right (not on purpose). I 100% all of my chips and flops, used to do partial swings but since joining here have learned that I’m a lot more consistent just going all the way back and manipulating the tempo. Not sure how you 100% all chips and flops without using the loft box. Some of the short chips need Much shorter backswings.A 13 yard bunker shot can't be made 10 yard short by tempo. Am I missing something here.
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Post by booze2407 on Oct 11, 2019 18:28:25 GMT -5
I pretty much shoot a full 100% backswing on every shot. I will attempt fasts if there’s no danger involved, as my stick can be pretty erratic when going for fasts, so it’s hard for me to know how much it’s going to hook. I have a tendency of pushing the stick way right (not on purpose). I 100% all of my chips and flops, used to do partial swings but since joining here have learned that I’m a lot more consistent just going all the way back and manipulating the tempo. Not sure how you 100% all chips and flops without using the loft box. I use a lot of slow and very slow backswings. Chips are definitely a little harder than flops though, but if it’s anywhere from like 6 - 10 yards I use a very slow. I’ll sometimes go very slow - very slow too if it’s really short. It took a while to get a feel for the distance. For a 13 yard bunker shot, I would attempt to very slow flop the lob wedge. Might end up a little long though depending on the downswing tempo. You can definitely take a lot off though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 18:41:13 GMT -5
Not sure how you 100% all chips and flops without using the loft box. I use a lot of slow and very slow backswings. Chips are definitely a little harder than flops though, but if it’s anywhere from like 6 - 10 yards I use a very slow. I’ll sometimes go very slow - very slow too if it’s really short. It took a while to get a feel for the distance. And that is really unrealistic as much as chipping out of bunkers is in this game, slow backswing doesn't effect your distance irl it will effect your tempo though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 18:50:42 GMT -5
Tbh I'll stick to how I play the game, I won't chip with my lob wedge out of a bunker because it is an impossible shot in real life,tbh never chipped out of a bunker in irl and never will in this game. Seems we can set our distance with backswing tempo on this game on the short game which is crazy unrealistic, I will always play this game the way I play in real life otherwise I will not get the immersion I'm looking for here.
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Post by booze2407 on Oct 11, 2019 18:54:15 GMT -5
I use a lot of slow and very slow backswings. Chips are definitely a little harder than flops though, but if it’s anywhere from like 6 - 10 yards I use a very slow. I’ll sometimes go very slow - very slow too if it’s really short. It took a while to get a feel for the distance. And that is really unrealistic as much as chipping out of bunkers is in this game, slow backswing doesn't effect your distance irl it will effect your tempo though. Is this something I shouldn’t be doing? My understanding of the rules is no loft box but other than that, shoot however you want. I don’t play in real life. If it’s frowned upon I’ll stop, if everyone is on the same page. I actually swing like this now as well even with the loft box in my Tgc rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 19:05:17 GMT -5
And that is really unrealistic as much as chipping out of bunkers is in this game, slow backswing doesn't effect your distance irl it will effect your tempo though. Is this something I shouldn’t be doing? My understanding of the rules is no loft box but other than that, shoot however you want. I don’t play in real life. If it’s frowned upon I’ll stop, if everyone is on the same page. No nothing to do do with you just frustrated how bad the golf swing mechanics are. Would be nice if they put more time into it, would be a great way to teach those interested in taking up the game. Slow backswing for distance is just not how the real game works. Feel is how far your backswing is in the short game just like your putting stroke but a faster tempo. Seems like the only realistic part of this game is putting. So frustrating 😣
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 19:21:49 GMT -5
The whole short game is totally playable using partial swings. On PC it is possible to hit flops close from any distance with partials especially from bunkers. The flop is this games bunker shot. It's what we would do in real life, the whole idea of USE is to be more realistic and not gamey. Lose that and we lose our soul. Love the short game here the way I play it it's challenging and so rewarding , flops for short greenside bunker shots, pitch for longer greenside bunker shots. Partial chips and pitch shots, feels like the real thing.
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Post by booze2407 on Oct 11, 2019 19:41:53 GMT -5
Is this something I shouldn’t be doing? My understanding of the rules is no loft box but other than that, shoot however you want. I don’t play in real life. If it’s frowned upon I’ll stop, if everyone is on the same page. No nothing to do do with you just frustrated how bad the golf swing mechanics are. Would be nice if they put more time into it, would be a great way to teach those interested in taking up the game. Slow backswing for distance is just not how the real game works. Feel is how far your backswing is in the short game just like your putting stroke but a faster tempo. Seems like the only realistic part of this game is putting. So frustrating 😣 Gotcha. I mean, yeah it does seem kinda silly for my golfer to be holding his club at the top for a few seconds now that I think about it lol. Can totally see where you’re coming from there. It’s definitely not foolproof, just an easier method for me for distance then trying to hit certain %s...so I don’t see it as any advantage or anything, just a more unrealistic approach to getting the job done. I love watching the PGA and playing this game, but for whatever reason just never actually play....which is probably a little strange! I really love playing in this because of the increased difficulty with no loft box, but just never really thought about whether something I was doing was realistic or not. When I discovered how to manipulate the tempo on the short game, I honestly figured most people were probably doing this. I’m curious if others shoot like i do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 0:38:45 GMT -5
With grass between ball and clubface, you loose alot of spin. With a good bunker lie, the pros have much more control. This is also why you can get a flyer out of rough on full shots - the ball goes much futher than you intended because it has much less spin. What is also not easy to always see on TV is the direction of the grass. If the grass grows towards the way you hit the ball, there is much more chance that the grass will completely stop your club. When you see a pro hit a chip shot out of deep rough that goes a few yards - this is the likely reason. It looks stupid, but it is really difficult. As I understand grass types - the Bermuda grass is very known for this - and I would actually opt for a explosive bunker shot in a heavy lie - this carry great risk, because you can blade the ball, and to have distance control on such shots are very very difficult. It's more like hit and hope for the best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 0:53:21 GMT -5
No nothing to do do with you just frustrated how bad the golf swing mechanics are. Would be nice if they put more time into it, would be a great way to teach those interested in taking up the game. Slow backswing for distance is just not how the real game works. Feel is how far your backswing is in the short game just like your putting stroke but a faster tempo. Seems like the only realistic part of this game is putting. So frustrating 😣 Gotcha. I mean, yeah it does seem kinda silly for my golfer to be holding his club at the top for a few seconds now that I think about it lol. Can totally see where you’re coming from there. It’s definitely not foolproof, just an easier method for me for distance then trying to hit certain %s...so I don’t see it as any advantage or anything, just a more unrealistic approach to getting the job done. I love watching the PGA and playing this game, but for whatever reason just never actually play....which is probably a little strange! I really love playing in this because of the increased difficulty with no loft box, but just never really thought about whether something I was doing was realistic or not. When I discovered how to manipulate the tempo on the short game, I honestly figured most people were probably doing this. I’m curious if others shoot like i do. It is totaly unrealistic. I've had discussion with Craig over at the HB forum on this topic, and he agrees with me - but HB implemented this slow backswing as distance control because of feedback. Just have a look at Hideki Matsuyama - he will stop at the top of the backswing. Does he lose distance with this? Ofcourse not. They also introduced longer distance on a slow and very slow tempo because they got feedback that there was something called a power-fade. I have tried my best to explain the physics in this to them and it seems that Craig agrees with me. Side spin increases total spin without aiding the ball to stay in the air - so it is just a loss of distance. If you hit the ball in sweet spot on the driver with the same swing speed - thus creating the same ball speed, the optimal is to have no side spin at all (this is ofcourse impossible, so as little side spin as possible) and the optimal backspin in accordance with your swing speed - normaly for good players, this is 2000-2500 RPM. What you see as a "power fade" is just overswing - increased ball speed which is more than the loss in distance due to sidespin. If the golfer had the ability to hit the same speed without a fade - he would hit the ball longer.
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Post by LKeet6 on Oct 12, 2019 6:40:40 GMT -5
I pretty much shoot a full 100% backswing on every shot. I will attempt fasts if there’s no danger involved, as my stick can be pretty erratic when going for fasts, so it’s hard for me to know how much it’s going to hook. I have a tendency of pushing the stick way right (not on purpose). I 100% all of my chips and flops, used to do partial swings but since joining here have learned that I’m a lot more consistent just going all the way back and manipulating the tempo. Not sure how you 100% all chips and flops without using the loft box. Some of the short chips need Much shorter backswings.A 13 yard bunker shot can't be made 10 yard short by tempo. Am I missing something here. It can mate, yeah. If you very slow a chip, it can take a lot off. Not half, but a lot. Knowing how much the rough will affect it can help you judge it too...
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Post by LKeet6 on Oct 12, 2019 7:24:17 GMT -5
Is this something I shouldn’t be doing? My understanding of the rules is no loft box but other than that, shoot however you want. I don’t play in real life. If it’s frowned upon I’ll stop, if everyone is on the same page. No nothing to do do with you just frustrated how bad the golf swing mechanics are. Would be nice if they put more time into it, would be a great way to teach those interested in taking up the game. Slow backswing for distance is just not how the real game works. Feel is how far your backswing is in the short game just like your putting stroke but a faster tempo. Seems like the only realistic part of this game is putting. So frustrating 😣 In my opinion mate, the "issue" here (and we've discussed this in private) is that the game's mechanics are unrealistic. (Also) in my opinion, partial shots are also not realistic. So I do slow backswings as it's what I can effectively do to recreate a less power shot. Given there's still loads of judgment and skill to it, and with all the other impediments with aids off, I think it's a "fair" way to play the short game. I've actually started doing (last week and mostly this) MUCH fewer chips from bunkers now, based off our last discussion
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Post by Art Vandelay on Oct 12, 2019 11:19:46 GMT -5
No nothing to do do with you just frustrated how bad the golf swing mechanics are. Would be nice if they put more time into it, would be a great way to teach those interested in taking up the game. Slow backswing for distance is just not how the real game works. Feel is how far your backswing is in the short game just like your putting stroke but a faster tempo. Seems like the only realistic part of this game is putting. So frustrating 😣 In my opinion mate, the "issue" here (and we've discussed this in private) is that the game's mechanics are unrealistic. (Also) in my opinion, partial shots are also not realistic. So I do slow backswings as it's what I can effectively do to recreate a less power shot. Given there's still loads of judgment and skill to it, and with all the other impediments with aids off, I think it's a "fair" way to play the short game. I've actually started doing (last week and mostly this) MUCH fewer chips from bunkers now, based off our last discussion Just to throw a little petrol on the fire, IRL I've seen folks chip and PUTT from bunkers (mind you I am a hack IRL and play with same). I doubt I would ever putt from the sand IRL or in this game, but just putting that out there. hammers1man, are you considering banning chipping from the sand in USE?
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Post by ChipsforAces on Oct 12, 2019 12:37:53 GMT -5
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