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Post by Niborak/JohnDaddyo on Feb 19, 2015 23:54:49 GMT -5
Are we taking into consideration the 'average' player who does not shoot "lights out" ever?? What about us, are there any stats on the number or percentage of players that rarely break par? i always here all these great ideas about toughening up courses etc. How does this 'level' things? What's the sense if all it does is bump everyone's score up? So now 'you're shooting -8 instead of -11 And I'm shooting 80 instead of 74.  Can the tour do fine by eliminating the bottom 200 all together? i don't get the fuss about the handicap system? Why? How does it hurt you? i taking my clubs and leaving if this becomes a handicap tour. Really? Also, as the ea title release get closer and closer, I predict we will begin to see a new level of criticism from the the always ea faithful. |
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Post by t2theb2 on Feb 20, 2015 0:19:52 GMT -5
Probably for the same reason i would not give you a 5 goal head start on fifa. Also people would abuse the handicap system to get i higher 1 by having bad rounds on purpose. Does not work the same way it does not on the tours on the game.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 20, 2015 2:03:00 GMT -5
Are we taking into consideration the 'average' player who does not shoot "lights out" ever?? What about us, are there any stats on the number or percentage of players that rarely break par? i always here all these great ideas about toughening up courses etc. How does this 'level' things? What's the sense if all it does is bump everyone's score up? So now 'you're shooting -8 instead of -11 And I'm shooting 80 instead of 74. Can the tour do fine by eliminating the bottom 200 all together? i don't get the fuss about the handicap system? Why? How does it hurt you? i taking my clubs and leaving if this becomes a handicap tour. Really? Also, as the ea title release get closer and closer, I predict we will begin to see a new level of criticism from the the always ea faithful. Again, it needs to be tierd in terms of difficulty to account for the average and beginner player. And on the handicap system - it would be completely ridiculous for these tours to have names like PGA,web.com etc and then employ handicaps. I hope you know that handicaps do not exist in pro golf, and this place is all about grown people playing make believe tour pros. If you want to play a make believe club golfer, go find a tour for that.... I for sure would pack up and leave if the Euro tour all of a sudden was a handicap tour. (I would be all for TGC Tours starting a handicap leauge, but not with a pro tour name...). In real life as well handicap competitions are not competitions so much as lotteries. Best luck for the day wins (or usually some beginner on the way down). They are good for gambling purposes, but that is about it. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 20, 2015 5:24:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I'm really misunderstanding all of this - and please don't take what I've been saying in the wrong tone - but, what's wrong with practicing and just getting better? Why have things in place to help players who aren't as good as those at the top right now? That makes no sense to me in a scratch golf tour.
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Post by DaveC_87 on Feb 20, 2015 10:01:25 GMT -5
All,
This is my take. If you want to play this "game" as close to replicating real life, you should play with all aids OFF. Best way to play in my opinion. A par feels good playing this way.
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Post by Pubknight on Feb 20, 2015 10:23:04 GMT -5
I do see the logic in the position that some more separation is needed.
If the best players can score near perfectly in every round, eventually there will be a handful of players that have 4 perfect rounds, and have a multi-player tie for the lead.
Also it can get frustrating, as others have mentioned, to try to make up ground.
Personally, if things were to change, I would change the wind meter over the scout cam.
The overhead view just doesn't provide enough detail for yardages, and the simple fact that you are 'simulating' a 3d experience with a 2d view can make depth perception difficult for some (not to mention PS4/XB players that turn off 'depth of field' for performance reasons to prevent stuttering).
I would never turn off green grids as that can just slow down play way too much, and again resolution issues change the playing field for some over others.
I think round by round winds (which really seem to be coming), combined with a lack of wind meter would introduce enough variability.
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Post by fondername0 on Feb 20, 2015 11:44:26 GMT -5
I'm going to qualify this by saying I am perfectly fine the way things are now. I have fun trying to make the cut and take it as a challenge. I have no shot at winning one of these events.
The game engine is too easy. Your going to hit shots close and hit a bunch of fairways. There is 1 tool designers do have to toughen things up however. Its the slope and break on the greens. Get did of the flat and nearly flat putts, make a 7 footer feel like a 7 footer. Make 1 putting for birdie harder.
Due to the game engine, these events are "putting contests". It would seem to me that the best way to level the field and make the winning scores a few shots higher would be to make putting more difficult.
As far as making this a handicap tour? No way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 12:00:27 GMT -5
I'm going to qualify this by saying I am perfectly fine the way things are now. I have fun trying to make the cut and take it as a challenge. I have no shot at winning one of these events. The game engine is too easy. Your going to hit shots close and hit a bunch of fairways. There is 1 tool designers do have to toughen things up however. Its the slope and break on the greens. Get did of the flat and nearly flat putts, make a 7 footer feel like a 7 footer. Make 1 putting for birdie harder. Due to the game engine, these events are "putting contests". It would seem to me that the best way to level the field and make the winning scores a few shots higher would be to make putting more difficult. As far as making this a handicap tour? No way. Now there's a man after my heart if that was at all possible. Finally someone is getting it.
It's so freaken simple. Only thing I would add is, and I have been adding this all over the internet  Is make it harder but not impossible to get closer to the hole. Firm and med/slow, with the suggested greens, then let me see -60 on any length course. It would make the game so much more fun to see a lot more people making pars. And that is exactly what the result would be, it would mean less birdies, more pars, less bogies, across the board of skill levels, I struggle to see what exactly would be wrong with that.  Presently it is not going unnoticed as well that I'm the only top gun asking for more pars. Obviously it would be in my interests to ask for something else, but I just want what is good for the game, not what is good for me.
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Post by Niborak/JohnDaddyo on Feb 20, 2015 15:46:22 GMT -5
my point totally missed. I'd really like to here from the commissioner though. As in life, practice does not make you better. There will always be separation. Rich, poor on and on. i see most are looking to 'toughen' things up, regardless of the numbers that can't break par. Same as life, me, me. As long as i can shoot 55 -62 who cares about the rest. i'm just a bit disheartened by seeing 100+ players not making the cut. i have no answers. Let's be sure we remember that this is a gentleman's game.
They'll be no remarks like don't let the door hit you...etc
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 20, 2015 17:26:17 GMT -5
my point totally missed. I'd really like to here from the commissioner though. As in life, practice does not make you better. There will always be separation. Rich, poor on and on. i see most are looking to 'toughen' things up, regardless of the numbers that can't break par. Same as life, me, me. As long as i can shoot 55 -62 who cares about the rest. i'm just a bit disheartened by seeing 100+ players not making the cut. i have no answers. Let's be sure we remember that this is a gentleman's game. They'll be no remarks like don't let the door hit you...etc How does practicing not make you better at something? And it is certainly not "as in life". The following is "as in life":. Want to learn to play an instrument? Practice, you'll get better. Want to be a chef? Practice, you'll get better. Want to be a welder? Practice, you'll get better. Want to play The Golf Club? Practice, you'll get better. That is "as in life" That comment makes zero sense to me. The Allen Iverson mentality on practice does not work. If you wish to become good at something, you must practice it. |
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Post by bentfivewood on Feb 20, 2015 18:21:17 GMT -5
my point totally missed. I'd really like to here from the commissioner though. As in life, practice does not make you better. There will always be separation. Rich, poor on and on. i see most are looking to 'toughen' things up, regardless of the numbers that can't break par. Same as life, me, me. As long as i can shoot 55 -62 who cares about the rest. i'm just a bit disheartened by seeing 100+ players not making the cut. i have no answers. Let's be sure we remember that this is a gentleman's game. They'll be no remarks like don't let the door hit you...etc How does practicing not make you better at something? And it is certainly not "as in life". The following is "as in life":. Want to learn to play an instrument? Practice, you'll get better. Want to be a chef? Practice, you'll get better. Want to be a welder? Practice, you'll get better. Want to play The Golf Club? Practice, you'll get better. That is "as in life" That comment makes zero sense to me. The Allen Iverson mentality on practice does not work. If you wish to become good at something, you must practice it. And it's not just get better at TGC, either. It's "get better a video games" and get better at understanding golf in general. Mastery of the xbox controller, for example, is a skill that's learned by doing. Some of the guys, like me, have been gaming for many, many years using controller and have honed the fine motor coordination required to play TGC, even if it is just moving an analog stick straight back and straight forward. At the same time, when someone is trying to develop a sport simulation, they strive to make the physics work in the same way as RL. So if you start playing a game with a good understanding of what is possible in the RL game, you are ahead of the curve with the simulation. |
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Post by Orion on Feb 20, 2015 18:57:32 GMT -5
Just played "The Challenge Club" in 13-21mph winds. Most of those winds were around 15-19mph. I managed to shoot E for the round and not at one point did i get angry which is brilliant. I love this kind of golf. I've been trying to find this course but no luck as of yet. I search for it with no results, is it published or only available for reviewers to play?? Any help would be appreciated.....  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 19:05:21 GMT -5
Are we taking into consideration the 'average' player who does not shoot "lights out" ever?? What about us, are there any stats on the number or percentage of players that rarely break par? i always here all these great ideas about toughening up courses etc. How does this 'level' things? What's the sense if all it does is bump everyone's score up? So now 'you're shooting -8 instead of -11 And I'm shooting 80 instead of 74. Can the tour do fine by eliminating the bottom 200 all together? i don't get the fuss about the handicap system? Why? How does it hurt you? i taking my clubs and leaving if this becomes a handicap tour. Really? Also, as the ea title release get closer and closer, I predict we will begin to see a new level of criticism from the the always ea faithful. Again, it needs to be tierd in terms of difficulty to account for the average and beginner player. But what incentive do I have to want to play on the PGA Tour when I know I will shoot even worse than I did on the web.com tour with no hope of making cuts or surviving on the tour for any significant time period? At least now I could theoretically make some PGA cuts if I really play well enough. If you make the PGA tour "harder" then the Web.com tour besides just having better competition, then count me out of ever wanting to compete at that level, which kinda defeats the purpose. |
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Post by Niborak/JohnDaddyo on Feb 20, 2015 19:14:26 GMT -5
Again, point missed. Don't you realize that there will always be a gap? No matter how hard a player ranked 100th practices will ever be able to compete with the top 10 or more. There will always be players ranked 1st, 10th, 50th, 250th. They ALL practiced and this is how good they got.
You might be banging your head against the wall like I am, trying to understand how I'm not getting it! LoL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 19:15:23 GMT -5
I understand your point, and in fact agree with it. I was replying to the guy that replied to you saying that the tours need to tiered to be more difficult.
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Is make it harder but not impossible to get closer to the hole. Firm and med/slow, with the suggested greens, then let me see -60 on any length course. It would make the game so much more fun to see a lot more people making pars. And that is exactly what the result would be, it would mean less birdies, more pars, less bogies, across the board of skill levels, I struggle to see what exactly would be wrong with that. 
Presently it is not going unnoticed as well that I'm the only top gun asking for more pars. Obviously it would be in my interests to ask for something else, but I just want what is good for the game, not what is good for me.
