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Post by Elk22 on Feb 17, 2015 16:04:15 GMT -5
I don't feel the courses are much of the problem either. I love the more difficult courses. Guys shooting in the 50's every round of a tourney is crazy. My opinion is that you should be punished more for not striking the ball just right. I have had and seen shots go all the way to the edge of the red, especially with irons and it not have much an impact on flight even if the wind is blowing in the direction of the miss. Those kinda shots should be gone outta there in the deep stuff. I also feel off the tee you should have the option of swinging harder for more distance an if you are off you get punished. Hardly ever see guys hitting their approach outta rough much less heavy stuff. Or you could still swing easy and just get less distance, this would allow for longer courses to be made as players could try to crush one here and there on longer holes, but if they miss it should be in the cabbage or wet. I love the game and know TGC has a lot going on, just my opinion. Glad to tee off everyday on TGC.
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Post by fondername0 on Feb 17, 2015 16:11:04 GMT -5
An easy HB patch might be smaller sweet spot. And bigger distance penalty (not just direction) for mishits??? just throwing it out there.
Of course the casual gamer (they might be the majority) probably likes shooting crazy scores. I'm guessing many of us here probably play real golf and want a more realistic sim.
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Post by Matt10 on Feb 17, 2015 16:29:09 GMT -5
Wow, if someone was playing a tourney on PS4 with aides off, and plopped a laptop next to them just to be able to use the scout cam, then he/she has even less of a life than I do, and obviously needs the self-esteem boost of seeing their name on the top of the leaderboard. As I have mentioned before, and Mitchblue concurred, without Scout Cam to see the landing area, especially the contour of the green on approach shots and without the club select option, which forces you to actually use the aiming marker, rather than just a fine adjustment, you would see a lot more skill come into play. Will we ever see 4 round totals of -20 or worse, no we won't. But 4 round totals of -36 or worse yeah with some modifications. When I shoot a round of 60 or 61, I feel I have accomplished something, only to find that I am 5 or 6 shots off the lead. Would I still shoot a round of 60 or 61 without the aides, probably not. Would we still see rounds of 55, probably not. The good players will always be 5 to 6 shots per round better than I, but the scores may look more lifelike. One last point about relative scoring.... Rather than moan and complain, here is a little mental trick..... Scoring on TGC is a bit like the metric system. Real Golf is measured in miles... TGC is measured in kilometers i.e. 10 under par in TGC = 6 under par in real life This is pretty much how I feel as well. Good post. |
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Post by nevadaballin on Feb 17, 2015 16:51:36 GMT -5
Don't let the scores from the few elite players dampen the overall. The majority of people don't find this game as "easy" as some feel it is. No idea what is so easy about putting and don't care that 99% of tee shots are in the fairways (it's a video game - i can't hit a 101 mph fastball in real life but I'll murder that sucker in MLB The Show). Also remember, the top players of this game have been playing it for almost a year. It isn't like they simply downloaded it and were instantly great because the game is too easy. If that was the case we'd have cut lines at -35 every week. If the game is too easy, then we should all be great right now, shooting -18 to -20 every round ...... because the game is sooo easy  |
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Post by kulch on Feb 17, 2015 17:06:06 GMT -5
i dont think the game is THAT easy. the best players are going to shoot atleast -10 in most conditions. most players get a few under par, and when u bring in protocols to make the game harder, the best player will still shoot considerably lower than the majority.
if they could do anything, fixed wind for tournies - the wind waiting is jacking up the avg round scores by a few strokes.
reduce the shot cone slightly
remove scout cam and green grids. implement a system of green scanning like in TW no grids, so you can scan and read a green no matter what GPU you possess
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Post by djdavefl on Feb 17, 2015 17:13:22 GMT -5
Kulch
If green grids are removed, that would make the game virtually impossible for the average player.
However perhaps something like this, progressive removal of aids.
For example:
Champions Tour: All aides on
Web.Com: No Club Select
Euro: No Scout or Club Select
PGA: No Grid, Scout or Club Select
As you progress up the ranks, the skill level and the competition gets tougher. I dunno just thinkin out loud.
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Post by Brionne on Feb 17, 2015 17:23:52 GMT -5
Kulch If green grids are removed, that would make the game virtually impossible for the average player. However perhaps something like this, progressive removal of aids. For example: Champions Tour: All aides on Web.Com: No Club Select Euro: No Scout or Club Select PGA: No Grid, Scout or Club Select As you progress up the ranks, the skill level and the competition gets tougher. I dunno just thinkin out loud. Ahem... Euro and PGA are the same tier.. just saying..  And what is no club select? Does the game assign the club you use? If so, that may be very unfair coz I've seen on par fives.. mid fairway, 300+yrds from the hole, and the computer selects a Sand Wedge.. This happens twice the course in play for the Euro tour this week. I don't wanna wedge my way 300yrds to the pin.. It would probably look quite funny though.. |
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Post by justamush on Feb 17, 2015 17:26:02 GMT -5
I think no club select gives you a driver, and you have to manually select your club. I could be wrong though
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Post by Matt10 on Feb 17, 2015 17:29:35 GMT -5
I think no club select gives you a driver, and you have to manually select your club. I could be wrong though That is correct. I would say all aides on except for scout cam - that's it. If you want to go for more, then take off the aiming aid as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 17:32:24 GMT -5
They already turned off aids for majors and not many people like it.
The top players play a lot of rounds with aids off anyway so you're not really effecting the top scorers. You just hurt all the average players.
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Post by Matt10 on Feb 17, 2015 17:39:16 GMT -5
They already turned off aids for majors and not many people like it. The top players play a lot of rounds with aids off anyway so you're not really effecting the top scorers. You just hurt all the average players. Yeah, I knew that. That's why just turn off one aid for everyone - and that's scout cam in my opinion. It brings in blind shots and more course management. It's a happy medium as well because you can still use the hole overhead view just like you would if the card or skycaddie was in your hands. |
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Post by js on Feb 17, 2015 17:53:47 GMT -5
I think removing scout cam and auto club selection is a fun way to play.. Agreed, take this off and say goodbye to rounds in the 50s. Shooting a 64 would be an achievement. |
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Post by mellowswe on Feb 17, 2015 19:08:27 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but I think taking away scout cam and club select will result in zero change regarding the scores set by the top players. I hadn't tried it myself so I played a practice round at Bavaro just now with scout cam and club select off and shot -9 in 10 mph winds which is exactly where I've been in previous practice rounds under similar conditions. More importantly, there was probably only one shot all round (second on the last par 5) where I missed having the scout cam but it did not cost me any strokes. The only thing that could have impacted my score is the fact that the putting marker is set to one inch short of the hole by default and on tap-ins there is a risk of forgetting to move it up and leaving it short. Not sure if that is the effect you guys are after though...  In short, I think removing scout cam and club select will only widen the gap to the top players and might also create more of a disadvantage for those who do not have time to practice a lot on the course before the tournament. |
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Post by djdavefl on Feb 17, 2015 19:12:22 GMT -5
I created a tour, "2015 Masters Preview NO SCOUT " using all four pins at Magnolia National, this also turned off club select. Only 4 people have played. Best four round total -16. If you are on PS4 see what it is like . Not impossible but definitely challenging. Hence my suggestions for raising scores.
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Post by Matt10 on Feb 17, 2015 20:00:38 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but I think taking away scout cam and club select will result in zero change regarding the scores set by the top players. I hadn't tried it myself so I played a practice round at Bavaro just now with scout cam and club select off and shot -9 in 10 mph winds which is exactly where I've been in previous practice rounds under similar conditions. More importantly, there was probably only one shot all round (second on the last par 5) where I missed having the scout cam but it did not cost me any strokes. The only thing that could have impacted my score is the fact that the putting marker is set to one inch short of the hole by default and on tap-ins there is a risk of forgetting to move it up and leaving it short. Not sure if that is the effect you guys are after though... In short, I think removing scout cam and club select will only widen the gap to the top players and might also create more of a disadvantage for those who do not have time to practice a lot on the course before the tournament. So maybe scout cam, club selection and aim reticule? I'm not sure how a bigger gap between top players and the average would be a bad, or unrealistic, thing. It just enhances the skillset even more, but levels the playing field. I think it would mean a lot more to see the 60's rounds for the top 5 in the leaderboard, versus everyone shooting low 60's for the top 20. That could just be me though. |
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