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Post by Koop on May 14, 2019 14:32:37 GMT -5
This week doesn't really count because the announcement was made after it has started. The other thing to bear in mind is you have to play all 4 rounds with Masters to show up as Masters. There may be some who start but have a bad round or two and swap to Pro to try and limit the damage. I know I would think about it. This is a good point, I forgot about master all 4 rounds. Interesting note, 6 of the top 7 currently on CC-E are Masters users. |
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Post by ErixonStone on May 14, 2019 14:48:57 GMT -5
There may be some who start but have a bad round or two and swap to Pro to try and limit the damage. I know I would think about it. Maybe demotion marks should be given out in the same fashion that promotion marks are earned so that only the bottom X number of Master Club users get demotion marks. This would limit the incentive to switch to Pro Clubs during a poor week to try to stay out of the bottom 120. Instead, doing this would put players using Master for 3 rounds into the same boat as players using Pro Clubs. The effect would be that it's better to finish the event with Master Clubs rather than be effectively competing against players who used Pro Clubs the entire event. Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks. |
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Post by lessangster on May 14, 2019 14:52:10 GMT -5
There may be some who start but have a bad round or two and swap to Pro to try and limit the damage. I know I would think about it. Maybe demotion marks should be given out in the same fashion that promotion marks are earned so that only the bottom X number of Master Club users get demotion marks. This would limit the incentive to switch to Pro Clubs during a poor week to try to stay out of the bottom 120. Instead, doing this would put players using Master for 3 rounds into the same boat as players using Pro Clubs. The effect would be that it's better to finish the event with Master Clubs rather than be effectively competing against players who used Pro Clubs the entire event. Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks. My thoughts exactly especially on Xbox |
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Post by cephyn on May 14, 2019 14:53:16 GMT -5
There may be some who start but have a bad round or two and swap to Pro to try and limit the damage. I know I would think about it. Maybe demotion marks should be given out in the same fashion that promotion marks are earned so that only the bottom X number of Master Club users get demotion marks. This would limit the incentive to switch to Pro Clubs during a poor week to try to stay out of the bottom 120. Instead, doing this would put players using Master for 3 rounds into the same boat as players using Pro Clubs. The effect would be that it's better to finish the event with Master Clubs rather than be effectively competing against players who used Pro Clubs the entire event. Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks. I mean...I'm fine with that. If you're earning demo marks, and insist on using master clubs....then you should be shuffled to the tour you can compete in. This isn't reward/punishment - its a sorting system so that everyone is playing their career with people roughly their skill level. That's why I don't even agree with any of this. I don't think we need to encourage master club usage at all, i reject the premise. The promo/demo system is a sorting system. It's not gold stars and black dots. |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on May 14, 2019 14:56:41 GMT -5
There may be some who start but have a bad round or two and swap to Pro to try and limit the damage. I know I would think about it. Maybe demotion marks should be given out in the same fashion that promotion marks are earned so that only the bottom X number of Master Club users get demotion marks. This would limit the incentive to switch to Pro Clubs during a poor week to try to stay out of the bottom 120. Instead, doing this would put players using Master for 3 rounds into the same boat as players using Pro Clubs. The effect would be that it's better to finish the event with Master Clubs rather than be effectively competing against players who used Pro Clubs the entire event. Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks.
So basically all we need to do is play Masters for the first couple of rounds, wait to see how the LB is panning out, in contention stick to Masters, struggling switch to Pro!! Forgive me, but isn't that all getting a bit daft. Surely you should (be made) to play one club set and stick to it?!! Or am I being too harsh?!!
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Post by PKR33 on May 14, 2019 14:59:42 GMT -5
Maybe demotion marks should be given out in the same fashion that promotion marks are earned so that only the bottom X number of Master Club users get demotion marks. This would limit the incentive to switch to Pro Clubs during a poor week to try to stay out of the bottom 120. Instead, doing this would put players using Master for 3 rounds into the same boat as players using Pro Clubs. The effect would be that it's better to finish the event with Master Clubs rather than be effectively competing against players who used Pro Clubs the entire event. Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks.
So basically all we need to do is play Masters for the first couple of rounds, wait to see how the LB is panning out, in contention stick to Masters, struggling switch to Pro!! Forgive me, but isn't that all getting a bit daft. Surely you should (be made) to play one club set and stick to it?!! Or am I being too harsh?!!
Or we just just force everyone to use the same clubset which i think is what will happen in season 6 |
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Post by SkyBlueBen on May 14, 2019 15:03:55 GMT -5
So basically all we need to do is play Masters for the first couple of rounds, wait to see how the LB is panning out, in contention stick to Masters, struggling switch to Pro!! Forgive me, but isn't that all getting a bit daft. Surely you should (be made) to play one club set and stick to it?!! Or am I being too harsh?!!
Or we just just force everyone to use the same clubset which i think is what will happen in season 6
Oh I agree, Masters, Pro and Beginner Divisions. Weapon of choice. If they are difficulty levels as it would appear they are, then it's the only sensible way forward.
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Post by cephyn on May 14, 2019 15:11:09 GMT -5
Or we just just force everyone to use the same clubset which i think is what will happen in season 6
Oh I agree, Masters, Pro and Beginner Divisions. Weapon of choice. If they are difficulty levels as it would appear they are, then it's the only sensible way forward.
And then you get the crowd screaming for splitting platforms too. And there's some justification to that too. So then we're just back to individual societies, and kills much of the point of TGCT. The platforms being unequal is HB's fault, 100% and it sucks that TGCT is stuck in the middle of that one. But as for club debate? Meh. Pros and Masters aren't that different (except on xbox, again, platform bug), and you should be allowed to use either one, and I feel the player needs to accept that they'll be sorted into a tour with others at their scoring level. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 14, 2019 15:41:09 GMT -5
How naive am i...I completely forgot to think about the opportunity to start an event with master clubs and,if things don't works as expected,to switch to pro clubs to gain some advantage and don't pay never some price. But..how sad is this aptitude? Really. Is a question of sportivity. And to be honest first of all with themselves. Is about to can watch your face into the mirror. Is about to be adult. And to accept the consequence of a free choice. It's too much easy to made the harder choice only when things goes as expected. But honestly..do it would not be unbelievable that after so many discussions and so much efforts and changes and all just to made things fair (or at least the less unfair that is possible) someone can even just think to do this kind of things? You know...Maybe it can be absolutely legal,ok. And good luck for who already have or will start with this aptitude. But in my eyes this is exactly as to cheat. It's about don't accept the idea to lose. And not for some bug of the game or what else,but cause for a reason or another,someone who made the choice to play with master clubs clubs was not good enough to play with these clubs. Sorry,but is an aptitude for cowards. This is the antichrist of the sportivity. Sorry,but i think so. Firmly. And i would be much more sorry if it would something too unfair only in my eyes. It's too easy to talk about sportivity,fair play and the beauty of some harder challenge when you win. I wish that, at least between us,in this beautiful comnunity, things should be different. We could. We can to do and to be better. A lot. And we should. Sorry if it could seems that i'm overreacting. And maybe is true. But this is a very sad news for me.
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Post by cephyn on May 14, 2019 15:43:43 GMT -5
Starting with Master clubs and then switching to Pro isn't really an advantage. You're marked as a Pro club user for that tournament. You now have to compete against people who used Pro clubs for all 4 rounds, but you played on hard mode for 1 round and then easier mode for 3 rounds, instead of the 4.
Using Master clubs for 1 round and switching is a handicap, not an advantage.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 14, 2019 15:56:01 GMT -5
Starting with Master clubs and then switching to Pro isn't really an advantage. You're marked as a Pro club user for that tournament. You now have to compete against people who used Pro clubs for all 4 rounds, but you played on hard mode for 1 round and then easier mode for 3 rounds, instead of the 4. Using Master clubs for 1 round and switching is a handicap, not an advantage. It can be. But if you play with master clubs 1,2 or 3 rounds and then you look at rhe standings and realize that you'll probably will have one or two demotion marks at the end of the journey and thrn you decide to switch to proclubs to save your score (i could to use another word,much more fitting  ),what are you doing? You have to play your poker hand with the cards you have. And your talent. You can't throw out an ace from your pocket just cause if you don't, you'll lose the hand. Is just this,for me. |
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Post by cephyn on May 14, 2019 16:01:59 GMT -5
Meh. If someone is earning demo marks while using master clubs, and switching to pro to try and stay in the flight - they're just cheating themselves. its no skin off my back. they'd have done better to use pro all 4 rounds, because they're clearly not good enough to be using master clubs in that flight.
i don't see a need to police that - at all.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 14, 2019 16:11:15 GMT -5
I mean...I'm fine with that. If you're earning demo marks, and insist on using master clubs....then you should be shuffled to the tour you can compete in. This isn't reward/punishment - its a sorting system so that everyone is playing their career with people roughly their skill level. That's why I don't even agree with any of this. I don't think we need to encourage master club usage at all, i reject the premise. The promo/demo system is a sorting system. It's not gold stars and black dots. Why do you insist on using Pro clubs? I mean if you insist....
Top tours are using Masters only so maybe everybody should be forced to use Masters? Oh wait, not everyone enjoys that so Pro is allowed (which is perfectly fair enough). However not everyone enjoys using Pro clubs and so far this season they have been disadvantaged for enjoying the game with more of a challenge. Now we have a solution where effectively Pro competes against Pro and Masters competes against Masters, both with an equal chance of gaining a promo mark except in CCA for obvious reasons. I'm really struggling to understand your issue with this?
I reject the premise that people should be encouraged to use Pro clubs but that's been the situation so far. Now, both are encouraged and rewarded, happy days!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 14, 2019 16:12:24 GMT -5
But i have never ask to police this. I was only noticing how sad this aptitude is. And foundamentally i agree with you,when you say that who switch from master to pro clubs just to save his score is cheating mainly about himself. I agree. But is untrue that who does this kind of dirt stuff is cheating ONLY with himself. Cause in the end probably some other guy will pay for him.
Probably someone tjat tried with master clubs and,struggling,decide abyway to end the journey with the choice he made.
Honestly,i can be wrong. Absolutely.
But more i think about this, and less i still can to see a single reason to allow the switch of clubs during a tournament.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 14, 2019 16:16:36 GMT -5
Right now, while promotion marks are handed out more fairly, Master Club users are still more likely to "earn" demotion marks. To be fair I haven't got an issue with that. If people are struggling to get in the top 100 consistently with Masters then perhaps they should be down a level. You've evened up the chances of getting a promo mark, I'm good with that. |
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),what are you doing? You have to play your poker hand with the cards you have. And your talent. You can't throw out an ace from your pocket just cause if you don't, you'll lose the hand. Is just this,for me.
