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Post by gatorman on May 13, 2019 4:34:19 GMT -5
So if we can sort the leaderboard by club set, the top 10 scores, including ties, will get promotion mark? Based on the last CC-F tourney, that looks to increase the number of Pro club users with promotion marks?
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 13, 2019 4:40:21 GMT -5
So if we can sort the leaderboard by club set, the top 10 scores, including ties, will get promotion mark? Based on the last CC-F tourney, that looks to increase the number of Pro club users with promotion marks? How do you work that out? Of the top 13 only 3 are using Masters clubs. Top 10 Pro goes down to that share of 9th. Top 10 Masters goes down to 31st. |
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Post by gatorman on May 13, 2019 5:05:34 GMT -5
So if we can sort the leaderboard by club set, the top 10 scores, including ties, will get promotion mark? Based on the last CC-F tourney, that looks to increase the number of Pro club users with promotion marks? How do you work that out? Of the top 13 only 3 are using Masters clubs. Top 10 Pro goes down to that share of 9th. Top 10 Masters goes down to 31st. I see top 10 Master in last CC-f going to around 53. Not sure how this works? |
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Post by BENNY6676 on May 13, 2019 5:49:50 GMT -5
Giraffe72. Am I? 🤣🤣 Ffs! I thought if players were tied on the same score playing with the same clubs then they'd all get promotion marks and it would only be classed as one place? I was assuming it meant the top ten scores for each clubset not the top ten people. I think it's a good thing I don't have to worry about it then because I'm bloody useless at working stuff out like this 🤣🤣
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Post by bigcountry87 on May 13, 2019 6:22:07 GMT -5
Okay, I usually keep quite on the forums for a number of reasons, but the change was not needed and, to me, hurts individuals. Now you have players that have played Pro clubs the entire time and doing well with it but now it seems that you all are trying to force people into using Master Clubs and punishing those who now have to go out and figure out a whole new tempo. I agree with some of the above, if you want people to use Master Clubs keep it in CC-Pro and above. Also, why wasn't there a vote for the change (if there was a vote, my bad that I missed it) It was hard enough to get Promotion Points as it was but now you have made it even harder. I don't agree with the change of basically the top 20 in AMs and 15 in Pros are the ones now getting the Marks, never should have changed that at the least.
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Post by cshare14 on May 13, 2019 6:30:20 GMT -5
Anything that places a premium on using masters clubs is a welcome change. Ideally Pro club users all get relegated to the CC-AM tours as they are basically bowling with bumpers and just cluttering up the leaderboards against people playing for real. But for now, a step in the right direction.
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bigcountry87
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Post by bigcountry87 on May 13, 2019 6:39:06 GMT -5
Anything that places a premium on using masters clubs is a welcome change. Ideally Pro club users all get relegated to the CC-AM tours as they are basically bowling with bumpers and just cluttering up the leaderboards against people playing for real. But for now, a step in the right direction. Cluttering up the leader boards, really? Bowling with bumpers, these are comments that need to be left out of the forum. We are all here to have fun and play the game. No need to insult anyone who plays this game. Not cool man, not at all. |
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Post by cshare14 on May 13, 2019 6:57:25 GMT -5
Anything that places a premium on using masters clubs is a welcome change. Ideally Pro club users all get relegated to the CC-AM tours as they are basically bowling with bumpers and just cluttering up the leaderboards against people playing for real. But for now, a step in the right direction. Cluttering up the leader boards, really? Bowling with bumpers, these are comments that need to be left out of the forum. We are all here to have fun and play the game. No need to insult anyone who plays this game. Not cool man, not at all. I made no intent to insult anyone and didn't say anything that hasn't been said over and over again already. There was also nothing subjective about what I said; the simple truth that we are all aware of is that people using PRO clubs are playing a different, easier, game. There is no reason that they shouldn't enjoy it, have fun and have a great time. Of course that is what this is all about. But do you have a problem putting them all in one place? If your feelings are hurt that is on you. |
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Post by ABU_Bear on May 13, 2019 7:02:41 GMT -5
I think the potential is there to have Master Only players and Pro Only players. Register to play with Masters and you fall into one of the top 3 Pro Tours with the lowest you can be demoted being the Web.com Tour. Register to play Pros and the highest you can go is CC-A. I know it would put a vast majority of people into Web.com but there is clearly a divide here and you're not going to make everyone happy with mixed club sets on the CC circuit. Or easier still...just make everyone hit Masters @tgctours and the scores will still shuffle everyone to the place they should be. Only problem with this is the game is not enjoyable at all for some people if they are forced to use Masters
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Post by Art Vandelay on May 13, 2019 7:11:54 GMT -5
I like the emphasis on rewarding players using masters, why not give credit to those playing at the more difficult level? The best at using pro clubs still get credit, what is the complaint?
IMHO the criteria being exercised in CC-A should be used in CC-PRO universally then use the 10-10 in CC-AM.
And while we are at it, let's just give mouse players earning a promo mark an extra promo mark for playing with the most difficult method (j/k but only just).
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Post by wellsa27 on May 13, 2019 7:35:49 GMT -5
I understand the change, and do welcome but I do think it should have been restricted to the CC-Pro.
I started in CC-D on Pro Clubs and have worked my into CC-A on them. Now I'm not content in staying there, want to progress up and see how far I can go.
It is daunting for most making the switch, but using them in my first event, I finished -21.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 13, 2019 8:02:15 GMT -5
Giraffe72. Am I? 🤣🤣 Ffs! I thought if players were tied on the same score playing with the same clubs then they'd all get promotion marks and it would only be classed as one place? I was assuming it meant the top ten scores for each clubset not the top ten people. I think it's a good thing I don't have to worry about it then because I'm bloody useless at working stuff out like this 🤣🤣 It is! The top 10 Pro players get a mark and so do the top 10 Masters players (including ties). I'm really confused about the confusion! |
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 13, 2019 8:07:45 GMT -5
Okay, I usually keep quite on the forums for a number of reasons, but the change was not needed and, to me, hurts individuals. Now you have players that have played Pro clubs the entire time and doing well with it but now it seems that you all are trying to force people into using Master Clubs and punishing those who now have to go out and figure out a whole new tempo. I agree with some of the above, if you want people to use Master Clubs keep it in CC-Pro and above. Also, why wasn't there a vote for the change (if there was a vote, my bad that I missed it) It was hard enough to get Promotion Points as it was but now you have made it even harder. I don't agree with the change of basically the top 20 in AMs and 15 in Pros are the ones now getting the Marks, never should have changed that at the least. I don't understand this. You're basically saying that Pro clubs players should be allowed to play an easier game AND have all the benefits of that on the leaderboard? I play Masters for the exact same reason you play Pro, because I enjoy it more. Up to now it's been nearly impossible to compete and I've felt forced into using a club set I don't want to play with, just to try and get out of the CC. With the new rules it's an equal chance for both (except CCA) which is much more fair. Essentially the tours have been split in to Pro and Masters without actually having to have 6 extra divisions. I totally agree you should be able to play Pro if you want to in the Challenge Circuit, now there's also a good reason to play Masters. Because up to now I tell you, it's been a grind! |
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Post by grinder12000 on May 13, 2019 8:16:01 GMT -5
I have 2 handicaps with two accounts (only 1 on TGCTours) . One pure Pro and one Pure Master. Pro handicap is +21. Master is +14 Why do I mention this? Just because it’s interesting.
As for the rule change. Good job and we will see what happens next. If it works. Great. If it does not I’m sure there will be more changes. I’m fine.
Applause.... but not like A North Korean applause
i do believe at some point in the future we will have separate tours for clubs.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 13, 2019 8:19:50 GMT -5
The other thing to bear in mind is that this game and these tours change and adapt regularly. Let this run for a few weeks and see how it's working before making your minds up. It'll be interesting to see how many more players start using Masters, especially in CCA. And at that level, I'd bet the majority of the ones who don't don't want to play in the Web anyway. So why give them promotion marks?
It's not impossible that it might not get harder to gain promo marks with Pro clubs because a percentage of people will switch over.
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