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Post by ErixonStone on May 13, 2019 12:34:07 GMT -5
Moving forward more with Pro clubs seems a lot harder now. I wouldn't say, "a lot" harder, but you're right, it will be harder. But the reason is that the promotion marks will be distributed more fairly with both Master Club and Pro Club users having an equal number of promotion marks. Before last week, Pro Club users had a much easier time earning promotion marks. To the privileged, equality feels like oppression -- UnknownI think we should just rip the band aid off and say CC-Pro is masters only and CC-Am is Pro clubs. Therefore there would be no filtering leader boards. You would then just have one club set to choose. I don't think you would agree that everyone using Master Clubs is better than everyone using Pro Clubs. This change has been made in the interest of allowing players in CC to play how they enjoy the game, rather than forcing people to one clubset. If the disparity continues into season 6, other changes have been proposed. |
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Post by TreeWood on May 13, 2019 13:23:03 GMT -5
Sounds like TGCT has become infected with the scourge that is the pursuit of equality of outcome.
One tour, one club set. That’s the only way to level the playing field, imo. I would find it unfair to see someone who elected to use harder clubs and finished, say 27th overall still getting rewarded simply because they put themselves at a disadvantage to begin with.
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Post by Doyley on May 13, 2019 13:26:32 GMT -5
Sounds like TGCT has become infected with the scourge that is the pursuit of equality of outcome. One tour, one club set. That’s the only way to level the playing field, imo. I would find it unfair to see someone who elected to use harder clubs and finished, say 27th overall still getting rewarded simply because they put themselves at a disadvantage to begin with. This is why I keep saying we're looking into fixing it for season 6 and that this current fix is more of a band-aid solution for Season 5. |
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Post by gatorman on May 13, 2019 14:17:32 GMT -5
Not that I will challenge for a promotion mark after 4 rounds of current CC-F tourney, but I see my 1st round -5 is 16th is standings, but would now be 1 shot out of a promotion mark with Pro clubs. I just think while Pro and master are playing together, the promotions should remain as they were until a more balanced approach can be instituted.
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Post by cshare14 on May 13, 2019 14:37:17 GMT -5
Sounds like TGCT has become infected with the scourge that is the pursuit of equality of outcome. One tour, one club set. That’s the only way to level the playing field, imo. I would find it unfair to see someone who elected to use harder clubs and finished, say 27th overall still getting rewarded simply because they put themselves at a disadvantage to begin with. The essence of your post is that we should have one tour, everyone take the easy way out and use pro clubs, and further we don't value people that play with masters clubs and post higher scores than those playing with basically a swing aid. Seems legit. |
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Post by gatorman on May 13, 2019 15:20:00 GMT -5
Sounds like TGCT has become infected with the scourge that is the pursuit of equality of outcome. One tour, one club set. That’s the only way to level the playing field, imo. I would find it unfair to see someone who elected to use harder clubs and finished, say 27th overall still getting rewarded simply because they put themselves at a disadvantage to begin with. The essence of your post is that we should have one tour, everyone take the easy way out and use pro clubs, and further we don't value people that play with masters clubs and post higher scores than those playing with basically a swing aid. Seems legit. No, I think it means we should have Master Club Tours and Pro Club Tours. |
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Post by cshare14 on May 13, 2019 15:27:29 GMT -5
That would be great but I didn't get that from his post.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 13, 2019 15:47:35 GMT -5
Sounds like TGCT has become infected with the scourge that is the pursuit of equality of outcome. One tour, one club set. That’s the only way to level the playing field, imo. I would find it unfair to see someone who elected to use harder clubs and finished, say 27th overall still getting rewarded simply because they put themselves at a disadvantage to begin with. Personally speaking I'm not trying to put myself at a disadvantage. I play Masters clubs for exactly the same reasons as others play Pro, because that's how I enjoy the game the most. It wasn't such a big issue in TGC2 but sadly in this game the difference in ease is far too great so that having us all on one leaderboard has become a bit of a nonsense. Essentially with this change we are now just competing against players playing with the same clubs, Pro v Pro, Masters v Masters, all competing on a level playing field trying to achieve the same goal. How is this a scourge?
Pithbitwood would NOT be impressed 
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Post by JosiaDB on May 13, 2019 15:57:17 GMT -5
I love this change and am excited to see what happens!
I wanna see how I fare, now that I only have to compete against those that choose to compete on the level I choose to compete on.
Thank you admins!
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Post by jtstj on May 13, 2019 18:34:38 GMT -5
This is awesome!
To the people who think this punishes pro club users, keep in mind that this will cause significantly more people to use master clubs which makes the pro club field smaller. So in the end, it shouldn't be that much harder than it was to get promotion points.
If you are still upset about master club users now having a fair shot, then I understand that you just might be very competitive and driven to win (which is great); however, I don't see how you then cannot support the more competitive option: master clubs.
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Post by moneyman273 on May 13, 2019 18:57:33 GMT -5
Personally I think some are coming at this from the wrong angle. Certainly nobody is being punished, not when you consider anybody who prefers to play with Masters clubs have been 'punished' for their preference all season! What these changes do is redress an imbalance that we had before which was more pronounced the higher up the Challenge Circuit you went. There was talk about splitting the tours in to two halves with both promoting to Web, this does that without actually splitting the tours up. And actually I like that we're still on the same leaderboard, when the filters are added it'll all be a bit clearer. Keep in mind too, this is a 'band aid fix', I suspect further changes down the line. Sucks that you lost a promo mark though SkyBlueBen , that's unfortunate timing! Always, and I do mean ALWAYS, the voice of reason.  Someone is always going to feel slighted in TGCT when change occurs. This is the fault of the game itself and it's imbalance in club set and console, which is not a TGCT issue at all. Administration has gone above and beyond by trying to listen to the community here and create a balance where EVERYONE has the chance to compete and enjoy. This is the latest change and I think it's a great one. As it is, I'm in Euro Tour and don't have that luxury of saying "hey, PS4 is robot golf, why can't the top 10 xbox players and top 10 PS4 players get promotion marks?". I accept the reality and I do the best I can. |
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Post by moneyman273 on May 13, 2019 19:10:14 GMT -5
I have 2 handicaps with two accounts (only 1 on TGCTours) . One pure Pro and one Pure Master. Pro handicap is +21. Master is +14 Why do I mention this? Just because it’s interesting. As for the rule change. Good job and we will see what happens next. If it works. Great. If it does not I’m sure there will be more changes. I’m fine. Applause.... but not like A North Korean applause i do believe at some point in the future we will have separate tours for clubs. Could very well be that a new game is coming out in 4-5 months and all of this will change. TGCT admin is playing it smart and making TEMPORARY (band-aid) fixes that really help to even out the opportunity for many to succeed on the CC level, regardless of whether pro clubs or master clubs are being used. |
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Post by moneyman273 on May 13, 2019 19:14:07 GMT -5
Not that you need more cents but here are my 2 I bought the game in January, first time with TGC, and decided to just start on master clubs and figure it out from there. I played by myself for a bit before I joined the Tours here and somehow made it to CC-A right out of Q-school. It has been a struggle to score that high since haha! Anyways, I quickly noticed that guys playing Pro clubs dominated most of the top of the leader board. I had been thinking of dropping to Pro clubs since due to this but with this change, I'll just keep grinding away on Master. I don't expect to be great at this game but I'm competitive as hell and want to advance. But between work and the real world, it would be hard to play on Pro but practice on Master, just not enough time in the day. To me, this is a very welcome change. This is the sentiment of nearly ALL players on the master club set. They want the most realistic, difficult experience available. HB studios completely botched the club set difficulty as well as the console difficulty discrepancy. |
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Post by grinder12000 on May 13, 2019 19:51:54 GMT -5
I have 2 handicaps with two accounts (only 1 on TGCTours) . One pure Pro and one Pure Master. Pro handicap is +21. Master is +14 Why do I mention this? Just because it’s interesting. As for the rule change. Good job and we will see what happens next. If it works. Great. If it does not I’m sure there will be more changes. I’m fine. Applause.... but not like A North Korean applause i do believe at some point in the future we will have separate tours for clubs. Could very well be that a new game is coming out in 4-5 months and all of this will change. TGCT admin is playing it smart and making TEMPORARY (band-aid) fixes that really help to even out the opportunity for many to succeed on the CC level, regardless of whether pro clubs or master clubs are being used. There will come a point where too many people will NOT spend another $50 to start over every year. I’ll golf whatever I’m told but Master clubs with beer and weed are a bad combination for me. At least for important events like TGCTours |
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Post by moneyman273 on May 13, 2019 19:52:27 GMT -5
Could very well be that a new game is coming out in 4-5 months and all of this will change. TGCT admin is playing it smart and making TEMPORARY (band-aid) fixes that really help to even out the opportunity for many to succeed on the CC level, regardless of whether pro clubs or master clubs are being used. There will come a point where too many people will NOT spend another $50 to start over every year. I agree. |
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