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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 16, 2019 2:46:55 GMT -5
As someone who just watched their first ever cricket match about 2 months ago, has now maybe seen pieces of a dozen or so matches, and just watched more than an hour or two of a single game for the first time yesterday is it fairly safe to assume that I have already seen the best game of cricket that I will ever see? Yes. |
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Post by paulus on Jul 16, 2019 4:07:41 GMT -5
I'm sure most of us are glad we live in the universe where 6 was awarded - it paved the way for the madness that followed  But Simon Taufel, who used to sit on the International Cricket Council's Elite Umpires panel - the umpire of the umpires - is saying it's when the ball is thrown. On the commentary at the time, they said that they thought Ben Stokes was asking for them to not count - he certainly didn't celebrate them - which I thought was classy. Winning on boundary countback was a bit rubbish in all honesty - I'm with Jim Maxwell and think a draw would've been a fine result - neither team really deserved to lose after all that. |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 16, 2019 4:22:03 GMT -5
I’m an umpire (same qualifications as test umpires), and I don’t think the talk about the overthrows only being 5 is right. The rule says it’s whether the batsmen had crossed at the time of the throw ‘or event’. I interpret ‘the event’ being when the throw hit Stokes bat, not when Guptill threw it. An easy solution would be for the ball to become dead when it hits a batsman. Batsmen don’t take the extra runs on offer if it hits them as it stands, it’s considered poor form - the only time runs occur is when it makes it to the boundary and the players have no choice. I’d also have liked to have seen an extra super over decide the outcome, the poor Kiwis are always going to feel a bit robbed I think - and it takes a tiny bit of the gloss off your win... Roll on the Ashes 🙏🏼🇦🇺🙏🏼 A super duper over? To be fair, if they had given 5 instead of 6 I think you would have seen Stokes play different shots to those last two balls. He was just making sure he got bat to ball and try and scramble 2. There's a few rules they may look at after this. Ludicrous it was decided on boundaries, what is that? Surely wickets taken should come ahead of that but hey, it's a batsman's game. (Speaks a bitter member of the bowler's union ) And calling a ball dead if it hits a running batsman sounds like a rule that should always have been there. The other side of it is NZ were very lucky to even be in the semis. Net run rate depends on a lot of random factors (weather and coin toss being two of them). In a league where everyone played everyone else surely a tie should be decided by the team who won the game between the tied teams? Which would have been Pakistan... But none of this takes away from the pulsating game of cricket we just witnessed, played with great sportsmanship and great skill by two utterly committed teams. It is always a shame there has to be a loser in those circumstances. Unless it's Australia  Let's hope for more of the same in the Ashes! |
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 16, 2019 4:26:12 GMT -5
I disagree with Taufil. All good though, I’m sure his opinion carries more weight than mine lol. No issue with anything Stokes did either.
Back in my playing days I took an extra run not knowing it had deflected off my bat as I was stretching out to make my ground. Honest mistake that I rectified by not taking an easy single next over. Can’t really do that when you’re playing for your country though, and when it goes for 4 there’s absolutely nothing the batting team can do, everyone just has to move on.
For me the issue that tainted it was after the super over it going to boundaries. It’s in the rules and everyone knew before the game what the rules are but now that ‘the impossible’ has happened, and on the highest stage possible, they’ll go to a second super over I suspect.
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Post by paulus on Jul 16, 2019 4:33:00 GMT -5
lololol - I'm on board with the idea if they call it that!!  |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 16, 2019 4:35:28 GMT -5
lololol - I'm on board with the idea if they call it that!! Maybe they could make the bowler and batters play wrong handed?  |
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Post by AFCTUJacko on Jul 16, 2019 4:36:06 GMT -5
You just know that the boundaries rule was created by a bunch of guys sat around the table convinced they were creating a rule for a situation that would never ever happen.
I suspect it will now be changed....
and never be needed ever again  |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jul 16, 2019 4:39:32 GMT -5
The other thing not mentioned, how good was the fielding from both teams under pressure? Some great catches, and the run outs from NZ on the last two balls and England from the very last ball? Imagine what was going through Roy's head as that last one came his way, especially after a slight mis-field earlier in the over? Clean pick up, good throw, Buttler did the rest. Brilliant!
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 16, 2019 5:05:14 GMT -5
I think the lower than expected scores and fact that bowlers are finding a way to get wickets in overs 10-40 has made 50 over cricket better to watch than it has been for a while. I’m all for flat tracks in T20 but 50 over games need the bowlers in it. Well done to the curators.
Will be interested to see what’s dished up in the Ashes. Being as we struggle against a swinging ball I suspect there will be plenty of grass on them.
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Post by LKeet6 on Jul 16, 2019 5:09:30 GMT -5
You can't have a drawn world cup final.
I'd have defo gone extra super over. It's the obvious solution and like others have said, probably what they'll do next time.
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Post by stokie1947 on Jul 16, 2019 5:34:42 GMT -5
it doesn't take any gloss off it at all how we played against New Zealand-India-Australia to reach the final we were superb and capped it off with a great run out to win it, in regard to ashes i can't wait hopefully we will kick your butt but i am very worried about our top 3 in the batting they have been poor in recent matches i think they will play Roy but the red ball and test cricket is a completely different kettle of fish in regard to our bowling we could be without injury prone Wood also Anderson is injured at the moment so not looking too good for us
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Post by stokie1947 on Jul 17, 2019 5:44:45 GMT -5
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Post by Warwick Todd on Jul 18, 2019 10:25:44 GMT -5
Not sure if any of you follow the women’s game but holy crap Elyse Perry is the complete package.
1. Hot
2. Bowls at 120kph which is GAS for a chick
3. Makes test double hundreds batting at 4 with a technique as good as Williamson or Root
4. Did I mention HOT!!!
5. Played for our national soccer team before cricket became professional enough to focus on alone.
6. Smart, funny, humble, gracious, the list goes on.
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Post by paulus on Jul 18, 2019 10:39:31 GMT -5
I barely follow the men's game tbh  Someone's got the hundo p crushies going on... |
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Post by paulus on Jul 18, 2019 10:41:22 GMT -5
To be fair, if they had given 5 instead of 6 I think you would have seen Stokes play different shots to those last two balls. He was just making sure he got bat to ball and try and scramble 2. I know it's long past now and completely moot - but had we been awarded just the 1 run - Stokes wouldn't have been on strike for the next ball... |
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But Simon Taufel, who used to sit on the International Cricket Council's Elite Umpires panel - the umpire of the umpires - is saying it's when the ball is thrown.
